Couples turn out for 'Marry Your Baby Daddy Day'

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

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Couples turn out for 'Marry Your Baby Daddy Day'
 
06:37 AM CDT on Friday, September 30, 2005
 

Associated Press
 


NEW YORK - Ten couples tied the knot in a group wedding billed as "Marry Your Baby Daddy Day."

Each of the couples who married at the House of the Lord Church had been living together for years and had children together.

"The older I get, I see getting married as the way to go," said Garfield James, 34, who married Millicent Ellis, 35. "I want to raise my kids the right way."

The ceremony was organized by Maryann Reid, author of the book "Marry Your Baby Daddy," who said she was dismayed by what she said were too many single-parent families within the black community.

"Single parenthood is very much accepted as the norm and being married is looked at as unusual," she said. Thursday's ceremony "gives me hope that our future generations can possibly see this and break the cycle of broken homes."




Regards,
Rabbit.

[Antibubba]

It must've been quite a ruckus, as there are likely a great many more baby mommas than baby daddies.  A young man can get around.

[Preacherman]

Indeed, a young man can get around...

In the prison service, there's a program called "Angel Tree".  Each year, around September, a central co-ordinating office sends out forms to just about every prison in the country.  Inmates are invited to fill out a form for each of their children and return it.  The central office then sends the forms to churches near where each child lives, and the local churches then use their volunteer members to get a gift for each child at Christmas.

Now, one form is needed for each child.  It's not unusual, in my experience, for an inmate to submit half-a-dozen forms (or more - my record so far is 11 from one inmate), usually showing children from multiple mothers (my record is 7, so far).  The inmates don't seem to regard this as anything unusual:  in fact, they're proud to have fathered so many offspring, and there's almost a "status league" among inmates based on how fertile you've been.  Needless to say, they don't contribute a penny in child support, and are never there to help their kids when growing up...  but this is of no concern to them whatsoever.

I just don't understand how any woman would allow a man like that to enter her life (let alone her body), and have kids with/for him.  I've met mothers with four or five kids, each from a different father, never having been married.  I absolutely cannot understand the complete lack of self-respect and common decency that leads to such behavior.  More to the point - once a man or woman has been through that lifestyle, how on Earth do they ever expect to find someone willing to marry them???

[El Tejon]

Before I started practicing law, I used to wonder why fornication was illegal at one time.  After 10+ years in the trenches, NOW I know!

[roo_ster]

Anyone who goes on welfare or gets out of prison on parole, needs to have surgically implanted birth control until they no longer take the taxpayers' money and are no longer under gov't-enforced supervision.  Also, perhaps we could put a bounty on the uterus and the vas deferens?  Get a hysterectomy and get a $5000 check plus expenses.  A similar bounty could be placed on vasectomies.

More to the point - once a man or woman has been through that lifestyle, how on Earth do they ever expect to find someone willing to marry them???

Yeah, like some guy wants to raise the offspring of some incarcerated crack dealer or meth cooker.  Talk about courting trouble.

[Justin]

In the prison service, there's a program called "Angel Tree".

Heh.  I worked as a production assistant for a couple of their videos last year.  Also did some video post stuff.  Used tracking software to put a name on a label on a present.

[thorn]

GUESS WHAT!!!!
Anyone who goes on welfare or gets out of prison on parole, needs to have surgically implanted birth control until they no longer take the taxpayers' money and are no longer under gov't-enforced supervision

alreadY HAPPENING!!!!!

not for girls who become welfare mothers , BUT= Girls who are on drugs , and the cases i ahve seen- GIRLls who LOSE their kids, to adoption , foster care, whatever-
i know TWO girls who aRE REQUIRED  "every 3 months whether i like or not" she said, she get s the BC shot.

so its starting.

[Justin]

WTF are you yammering on about?

[lifer]

Anyone who goes on welfare or gets out of prison on parole, needs to have surgically implanted birth control until they no longer take the taxpayers' money and are no longer under gov't-enforced supervision.  Also, perhaps we could put a bounty on the uterus and the vas deferens?  Get a hysterectomy and get a $5000 check plus expenses.  A similar bounty could be placed on vasectomies.

You can take away just about all of someones rights and perhaps justify it, but taking away their ability to reproduce is crossing the line with me. Might as well be a member of the nazi party. My advice to wanna be eugenecists is learn to live with your desire to sig heil and keep your mouths shut.

[Nightfall]

Now, one form is needed for each child.  It's not unusual, in my experience, for an inmate to submit half-a-dozen forms (or more - my record so far is 11 from one inmate), usually showing children from multiple mothers (my record is 7, so far).

Problem: The bad guys are out-breeding the good guys by a large margin. It appears this isn't going to change, considering it takes moral behavior to be a good guy, and knocking up multiple, strange women don't fit the bill. World domination through global fornication... and we're not the ones dominating...

[lifer]

The bad guys are out-breeding the good guys by a large margin.

Well you can thank our "I wanna party till I am 30 and then have a kid", and "my dogs are my children" crowd for this one. I dont know what to say except you cant stop people from reproducing unless you want to go Nazi; that's all there is to it. I dont like it anymore than you but there it is.

[Justin]

Geeze, from dog-kicker to statist, to Commie to Nazi.

What are you doing?  Trying to pick the worst parts from all of the worst ideologies of the last 200 years and melt them together in a big vat to make one great big totalitarian ideology of total and utter suckitude the likes of which has never before been seen by human kind?

[lifer]

OK- you have got me figured out to a T Justin. Are you psychic? Working for big brother? An alien? What are you? I have to know. I have to know NOW.

[lifer]

Wait a minute, I do not like nazi's. I am not one of them.

[Justin]

Really?  So which other totalitarian regime would you like to use as the philosophical basis of your belief that eugenics is, as Martha Stewart would say, a good thing?

[roo_ster]

You can take away just about all of someones rights and perhaps justify it, but taking away their ability to reproduce is crossing the line with me. Might as well be a member of the nazi party. My advice to wanna be eugenecists is learn to live with your desire to sig heil and keep your mouths shut.

You lose:

BB King has a wonderful song for cases such as these, I Pay the Cost to Be the Boss.

If we did not have our system of quasi-socialist welfare statism, I would be in agreement with you.  They can have as many kids as they can birth and pay for their upkeep.  (Perhaps they can donate their surplus kids to science, as the Catholic couple did in Monty Python's Meaning of Life.)

But personal responsibility is not the reality on the ground.  I, as a taxpayer, have to pay for the upkeep of the offspring of every loser, meth-tweaker, and convict who manages to breed.  Hooray.  

Folks on the dole and convicts have shown that they can not take care of themselves or can not play well with others.  Gov't and taxpayers have had to step in to support them and avoid the consequences of their poor decisions or just plain bad circumstances.  Gov't is acting towards them as a parent acts towards a minor child.  I see no problem, morally speaking, with those who pay the bills making the rules or imposing conditions on those who choose to accept the aid or act in such a manner that they must be monitored by the gov't to keep them from harming others.

It is not considered an outrage by adults to tell your teenage son, "Be back by 11PM, or you'll won't be allowed to drive the family car."  Adolescents the world over might consider it an act of utmost tyranny (as well as socially crippling), but those of us who are adults understand, "my roof, my rules."

Ultimately, any birth control would be a matter of choice.  Choose to accept welfare, then birth control is part of the package.  Make it on your own, and procreate as you like.  If you can not play well with others and are convicted, part of the punishment is birth control until you are no longer under gov't supervision.

Last, some folks like to drag out the term "eugenics."  In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya, "I donna think that word means what you think it means."

http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=eugenics&x=0&y=0

Main Entry: eu·gen·ics
Pronunciation: yu-'je-niks
Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
: a science that deals with the improvement (as by control of human mating) of hereditary qualities of a race or breed

Who is talking about improvement of humanity?  The only improvement I want is in my tax bill.  The costs of birthing, subsequent health care, feeding, housing, education, and incarceration amounts to about half of my property tax bill.  I sure could find something useful to do with that money.

[Antibubba]

It isn't that temporary infertility is a bad idea; the problem is in who gets to decide[i/].

Even if it is not the intent, there are enormous racial overtones in this.  Eugenics is an ugly word.  And to be perfectly honest, the current regime isn't interested in any form of birth control that doesn't involve keeping your legs together.  The Dems sure as heck won't do it.

There was a woman a few years ago, can't remember where, who was offering, out of her own pocket, to give crack mommas $1000 to sterilize themselves.  She was royally roasted as a eugenicist, even though no coercion was involved.   "It's not like they have a choice-they're addicts, of course they'll take the money-they want to buy more crack!"  Straight from the Victimology handbook.

If you want to sell it, you'd better find a darn good way of marketing it.

[lifer]

Really?  So which other totalitarian regime would you like to use as the philosophical basis of your belief that eugenics is, as Martha Stewart would say, a good thing?
 

Eugenics is not a good thing. Please, shut up.

[Justin]

I dont know what to say except you cant stop people from reproducing unless you want to go Nazi; that's all there is to it. I dont like it anymore than you but there it is.

So am I to assume that when you made the above statement, you were not tacitly shrugging your shoulders and pointing to a eugenics program as the solution to this problem?

[lifer]

Correct. Stating the fact as an impossiblity, not a probable solution. You want to sterilize blacks so there are no more blacks? You might as well cut to the chase with a "final solution." We went through all that with a certain Austrian house painter who wanted to exterminate everyone on the planet that did not have blonde hair and blue eyes. Controlling reproduction is the first step on a slippery slope.

[richyoung]

Don't want forced birth control?  Fine, don't stick your hand out for the dole or break the law - otherwise, either the Norplant goes in or the overies come out, (or snip the vas deferens).  If people can't take care of their HORSES and DOGS, we take them away & don't let them have any more - we should value human life at least as much.  Not eugenics - common sense.  Plus please note I've left NO EXCEPTION for race or country of origin - lily white, black as night, or anything in between - all same-same.