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« on: October 05, 2005, 01:59:38 PM »
New York Times
October 5, 2005

By Thomas L. Friedman

Aboard U.S.S. Chosin -- I never sleep well on warships.

So it was no surprise to me that I woke up at 5 a.m. the other day in my
tiny guest bunk on the U.S.S. Chosin, which commands the U.S. Navy task
force off the coast of Iraq. As I walked laps around the deck in the
predawn light, my mind kept coming back to the incredible clash I had
witnessed between the political culture of the U.S. Navy and the
political culture of both the Iraqis on land and the Arab fishermen in
the Persian Gulf.

Iraq is a multiethnic society that had to be held together by a
dictator's iron fist. What Iraqis are struggling with today is whether
they can forge their own social contract in which Kurds, Shiites and
Sunnis can live together - without an iron fist. That is critical
because virtually every Arab state today is a mix of religions and
ethnicities held together by a hard or soft fist. If Iraqis can find a
way to live together, any people out here can, and democracy has a
future. If the Iraqis can't, probably no one can, and we can look
forward to dictatorships and monarchies in the Arab world - with all the
pathologies they bring - forever. But change is hard.

When the Iraqi Navy drops you off on the Chosin, a guided-missile
cruiser, two things just hit you in the face: one is the diversity of
the U.S. Navy - blacks, whites, Hispanics, Christians, Jews, atheists,
Muslims, all working together, bound by a shared idea, not an iron fist.
To be sure, it took America a good 150 years after independence to
embrace pluralism and women's rights, and we're still working at it.
Nevertheless, America today is so different from anything in this part
of the world. The Iraqi Navy is all men, and almost all Shiites. We are
like Martians to them.

Mustapha Ahansal is a Moroccan-American sailor who acts as the Chosin's
Arabic translator when it boards ships in the gulf to look for pirates
or terrorists. "The first time I boarded a boat," he told me, "we had
six or seven people - one Hispanic, one black person, a white person,
maybe a woman in our unit. Their sailors said to me, 'I thought all
Americans were white.' Then one of them asked me, 'Are you in the
military?' ... It shocks them actually. They never knew that such a
world actually exists, because they have their own problems. I was
talking to one of their higher-ups in their Coast Guard and he said: 'It
is amazing how you guys can be so many religions, ethnic groups... and
still make this thing work and be the best in the world. And here we are
fighting north and south, and we are all cousins and brothers.' "

The other thing that hits you on the Chosin is that many officers are
women - so you hear women's voices all day long giving orders over the
ship's loudspeaker and radio. And because the local Arab fishermen also
hear this chatter, many of them probably think the Chosin is an
all-female ship! The 110-foot U.S. Coast Guard cutter Monomoy, alongside
the Chosin, has a female deputy captain, who often leads the landing
parties that inspect boats in the gulf; one of the Navy's fast patrol
boats, also alongside the Chosin, had a female captain. "Being a female
boarding officer is a huge asset because they are so curious they want
to talk to us more, so we can learn more things," said Renya Hernandez,
the 24-year-old female exec officer of the Monomoy.

Nagga Haizlip is an Iranian-American sailor who translates into Farsi
for the Chosin when it confronts Iran's Revolutionary Guard Navy.
Dressed in navy fatigues, she told me: "If I call [the Iranians] on
bridge-to-bridge radio they will not want to talk to me. ... They will
say, 'I want to speak to a man.' " As for the Iranian fishermen: "They
don't understand I am actually in the U.S. Navy. That surprises them.
... It is different from their culture. They ask how do people get along
[on the Chosin] and how do they live together? They are curious."

In trying to bring some democracy to Iraq, we are not just challenging
the dictatorial-tribal political order here, but the male-dominated
culture as well. In effect, we are promoting two revolutions at once:
Jefferson versus Saddam and Sinbad versus the Little Mermaids - who turn
out to be captains of ships. Succeeding in this venture, to stem the
drift of the Arab world toward Islamo-fascism and autocracy, is so much
more important than the war critics have ever allowed. But it is also so
much more difficult than the Bush team ever understood or prepared for -
even though it was warned. The Bush team's greatest sin was not thinking
that this war was important. It was thinking that it would be easy.

Because, as any ship captain on the gulf will tell you, we are sailing
right into the prevailing winds.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2005, 05:12:51 PM »
This article hits squarely on the head the belief that we, or rather many, Americans have regarding how we perceive of the rest of the world.  I don't mean this as a criticism of our culture, but rather as a failing of our institutionalized education system in that history is scorned as is sociology.  Many Americans, and especially our youngsters, have not and are not being taught that our culture is vastly different than in many places of the world.  More importantly they are not being taught why.  Thus many Americans look at world affairs through tinted glasses in that they somehow think that, geopolitically, we're all the same and if we're merely nice to each other we'll all just get along.  The Progressive Left's notion of reality sort of mirrors this.  Nothing could be further from the truth, however.  

The rub is also figuring out how can we expose to many other cultures as to what we are as a people. This is difficult because the leaders of those cultures are repressive and thus the man in the street  has no clue as to what we're about.

The other problem is that Conservatives (of which I most closely mirror) do not seem to really care about learning about diversity (as opposed to having "Diversity" shoved down our throats).  And the Progressive Left has seemed to have taken on the pharisee-like rending of clothing and gnashing of teeth mode regarding our culture, while being 3-monkeylike regarding reality.  Their irrational need for seeking Diversity has been elevated to iconhood or actual idolatry.   The amusing thing is that we are, in reality, already the most diverse society in modern history as well as being a mostly peaceful and friendly, and most especially, orderly and a safe society.  And it didn't happen overnight and the experiment continues to bubble in the test tube as we speak.  How can we expect others to succed at being what we are when we have taken the better part of 150 years to get there, notwithstanding a bloody civil war in the midst of it.

We need to recognize this and come together as a people, once again.  We desperately need a unifying presence in our country; and I would hope that would not be an act of evil, nor demogoguery that causes this.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2005, 08:21:40 PM »
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Conservatives (of which I most closely mirror) do not seem to really care about learning about diversity
I think this is a poor generalization, and that it stems from the fact that most "conservatives" really do not see race as a relevant factor.  On the other hand that means that we don't quite pay enough attention to the problems that attend this issue.  

On another tack, conservatives are not as concerned about male/female equality, because most of us are not bent on denying the essential differences between men and women.  We see women and men playing different roles in society, and accept that for the most part.  The left demands an unrealistic form of "equality" that erases all difference.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2005, 02:58:45 AM »
IMHO most Americans do not look much past their own little surroundings, call them "liberals" or "conservatives". The vast majority seems to care little for educating themselves and more for which car they drive and who's team is going to the playoffs. They also have absolutely no idea how good their status is compared to the average occupant of the world. I was recently talking to yet another Nam Vet who now counsels Gulf war and Iraq war combat Vets down at the VA hospital. Talk about mirrors, any vet, combat or not, who has been overseas and lived in the squalor for a while has a chip on his shoulder for those who have never been there and ,"Don't know how good they've got it." And that is holding true for our newest overseas vets. We all mirror those thoughts.

When I got out of the service I went to college because I wanted to be amongst academia, problem was when I got there, I found very little.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2005, 03:37:36 AM »
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Conservatives (of which I most closely mirror) do not seem to really care about learning about diversity
I think this is a poor generalization, and that it stems from the fact that most "conservatives" really do not see race as a relevant factor.  On the other hand that means that we don't quite pay enough attention to the problems that attend this issue.  

On another tack, conservatives are not as concerned about male/female equality, because most of us are not bent on denying the essential differences between men and women.  We see women and men playing different roles in society, and accept that for the most part.  The left demands an unrealistic form of "equality" that erases all difference.
fistful,

You nailed it.

In the light of history, the fact that organizations like thee US military work so well is not because they are multi-ethnic, it's because they've adopted an institutional culture in which ethnicity largely doesn't matter.  Rather than emphasizing diversity the way that the left does, differences are subordinated to the common goal.  They are true melting pots.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2005, 04:18:34 AM »
fistful,
You expressed in two paragaraphs what I was trying to say in one sentence.  Sometime one knows what one wants to say, but is not especially clear in the interest of brevity.  Thank you for expanding on my thought and clarifying it.

And bite me for calling it a "poor generalization" :/  Wink  Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2005, 07:16:43 AM »
I disagree.

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The other problem is that Conservatives (of which I most closely mirror) do not seem to really care about learning about diversity (as opposed to having "Diversity" shoved down our throats).
I'm actually pretty big on diversity, and folks who know me would describe me as Conservative.  Wink
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