Post by: wmenorr67 on September 18, 2008, 04:41:07 AM
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Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden says that paying higher taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans.
Biden says he and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people.
Under the Democrats economic plan, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less the vast majority of American taxpayers would receive a tax cut.
Biden told ABCs Good Morning America on Thursday that, in his words, its time to be patriotic & time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.
Biden says he and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people.
Under the Democrats economic plan, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less the vast majority of American taxpayers would receive a tax cut.
Biden told ABCs Good Morning America on Thursday that, in his words, its time to be patriotic & time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.
And what about small business owners who file as individuals.
Post by: Manedwolf on September 18, 2008, 04:45:16 AM
Truly wealthy sorts flee to Dubai and manufacture in China instead.
Yeah, that'll show'em, Biden. Make the US completely toxic as a climate for business.
Post by: Intune on September 18, 2008, 04:58:36 AM
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Biden told ABCs Good Morning America on Thursday that, in his words, its time to be patriotic & time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.
I can't wait 'til Obama/Biden tell Josh Howard about this part of their plan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxf35b06s4
"The Star-Spangled Banner' is going on. I don't even celebrate that sh*t 'cause I'm black G*d dam*t. Obama '08! Obama '08 and all that sh*t."
Patriotic indeed...
Post by: El Tejon on September 18, 2008, 07:01:13 AM
Joe, how about sending yours in first? If paying taxes is so great, send in everything you own, Joe.
Post by: seeker_two on September 18, 2008, 07:26:10 AM
Joe, how about sending yours in first? If paying taxes is so great, send in everything you own, Joe.
Agreed....fork it over, Joe....and have your buddies John Kerry & Ted Kennedy do their "patriotic duty", too....
Post by: longeyes on September 18, 2008, 07:34:12 AM
Post by: Lennyjoe on September 18, 2008, 07:38:00 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 18, 2008, 01:03:33 PM
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Biden told ABCs Good Morning America on Thursday that, in his words, its time to be patriotic & time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.
Because wealthy people aren't already paying taxes, starting businesses, creating jobs, etc. Wouldn't it be cool if about fifty or so of the targeted class would get together, write up a list of things they've done that have helped their country, then asked O'Biden what he's done for his country lately?
On that head, I looked up Biden on Wiki to see if he had served in the military. According to Wiki, he received five draft deferments. And I hear that he voted for the Iraq war. So I guess the Democratic Party will issue formal apologies to Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, and others who've been criticized for not serving.
Post by: Waitone on September 18, 2008, 01:45:54 PM
Post by: wacki on September 18, 2008, 04:17:54 PM
Hmmm, isn't that someone a British politician said once?
More info plz.
Post by: Monkeyleg on September 18, 2008, 06:24:33 PM
The welfare has to be paid by somebody, so it's up to those who have any income left to shoulder the burden. When they get sick of being bled, they leave, too.
Pretty soon you have a wasteland that is only sustained by federal dollars and money from counties within the state that don't have a welfare class.
There's no way that the top 5% of income earners can pay for everything Obama/Biden are promising the middle class.
But promising free money to voters is like giving away heroin for free. It isn't long before you have junkies who depend upon you, and you control their lives.
Post by: lacoochee on September 18, 2008, 06:28:39 PM
This frigging idiot and his partner are talking about socializing health care as if there is not enough to pay for now.
These guys are going to fiddle while Rome burns, I just hope we can pull them out of their holes in a couple of years in Switzerland or wherever they flee, to face the American public for justice.
Sorry, starting to get real worried I know just enough about finance (Master's Degree) to know how close we are to the edge right now and I honestly see no way out except for gutting the Federal Government and making it responsible for regulating international trade and providing for the common defense (on a much more limited basis) and the radical reduction or elimination of all entitlement programs. Unfortunately, it's too late and there is no way any politician alive today has the ability to lead us out of this desert.
So get ready, for The Coalition of Southern States, The Western Confederation, and The Peoples Republic of New England. (oh and Texas of course there will always be a Texas)
Post by: RevDisk on September 18, 2008, 06:58:15 PM
Yea... I'm working my first real private sector job. Prior to this I did part time or govt work. I have to avoid looking at my pay sub.
If Biden wants to be patriotic, he can start by gutting the PATRIOT Act. Then maybe reform a lot of the more useless business regulations.
Post by: Manedwolf on September 18, 2008, 11:07:46 PM
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So get ready, for The Coalition of Southern States, The Western Confederation, and The Peoples Republic of New England. (oh and Texas of course there will always be a Texas)
You obviously don't know New England, then. Massachusetts and Connecticut would likely become a socialist state. New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine would do their own thing, a "League of Go Away and Leave Us Alone", more like it.
Post by: MicroBalrog on September 19, 2008, 12:09:35 AM
Post by: Intune on September 19, 2008, 02:31:15 AM
Post by: Lennyjoe on September 19, 2008, 04:41:10 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on September 19, 2008, 04:45:30 AM
Awwww, he takes the train home every day!
$97 each way.
Post by: grampster on September 19, 2008, 04:49:45 AM
Post by: RevDisk on September 19, 2008, 06:43:17 AM
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So get ready, for The Coalition of Southern States, The Western Confederation, and The Peoples Republic of New England. (oh and Texas of course there will always be a Texas)
You obviously don't know New England, then. Massachusetts and Connecticut would likely become a socialist state. New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine would do their own thing, a "League of Go Away and Leave Us Alone", more like it.
Actually, NH, Vermont, Maine, upper NY, all of PA except Philly and a narrow chunk of the eastern border. The People's Republic would probably get NoVA, Maryland, NJ, Philly, some parts of eastern PA (NJ has been slowly infiltrating), NYC area, CT, and Mass.
Vastly unlikely, but it'd be amusing to see a Berlin style wall surrounding Philly.
Post by: seeker_two on September 19, 2008, 07:25:16 AM
I don't believe it's the election. I think it is more of the grumblings of 1931, '32. Only this round will be more of a powder keg with all of the current social tensions present. I don't trust these generations to have the willpower & patience of our forefathers.
...or the civilizing influences that our forefathers had.....I think America will look something like Northern Ireland or Bosnia within the next 50 years....and I hate to see it happening...
Post by: longeyes on September 19, 2008, 07:43:12 AM
What are we seeing with the new Mother of All Bail-Outs--as it's been referred to on survivalblog.com--is just the next brick in the wall.
I call it financial appeasement, nothing less.
Post by: Iain on September 19, 2008, 12:34:32 PM
Hmmm, isn't that someone a British politician said once?
More info plz.
Post by: Manedwolf on September 19, 2008, 12:40:53 PM
I don't believe it's the election. I think it is more of the grumblings of 1931, '32. Only this round will be more of a powder keg with all of the current social tensions present. I don't trust these generations to have the willpower & patience of our forefathers.
...or the civilizing influences that our forefathers had.....I think America will look something like Northern Ireland or Bosnia within the next 50 years....and I hate to see it happening...
Northern Ireland? Not so bad, as long as there's not bombs.
At least the tax and whine liberals would shut up and keep their heads down.
Post by: seeker_two on September 19, 2008, 12:46:27 PM
I don't believe it's the election. I think it is more of the grumblings of 1931, '32. Only this round will be more of a powder keg with all of the current social tensions present. I don't trust these generations to have the willpower & patience of our forefathers.
...or the civilizing influences that our forefathers had.....I think America will look something like Northern Ireland or Bosnia within the next 50 years....and I hate to see it happening...
Northern Ireland? Not so bad, as long as there's not bombs.
At least the tax and whine liberals would shut up and keep their heads down.
I'll bet there will be bombs....and worse...
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 19, 2008, 01:01:36 PM
Post by: Crosshair on September 21, 2008, 11:55:31 AM
I work for one of those companies that is owned by those "rich people" that Biden wants to tax. The organizational chart that I'm in has 3 rungs. Me, the guy above me, and the guy who owns the business. I don't know exactly how many people are employed, but I would guess it is 30 or less and has been around since 1983.
I get paid well, with health coverage included at no cost to me (no dental), PLUS a nice yearly bonus. (There are some bad sides to being a cable rat though, like going into 14" high crawl spaces that nobody has been in since the 1980's to run cable.) You start taxing my boss more, do you think he is going to eat that? No, he is going to cut costs. Probably cut one or two of the tech support ladies and deal with the longer phone hold times the customers have to deal with. Cut a tech or two, meaning longer wait times for equipment repairs. Less new equipment, fewer new vehicles, fewer bonuses and benefits.
Post by: agricola on September 21, 2008, 12:02:56 PM
northern ireland not so bad?!
not at the moment
Post by: Halo on September 22, 2008, 10:38:37 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 22, 2008, 12:28:08 PM
Hi everyone. Throwing my hat in the ring.
I work for one of those companies that is owned by those "rich people" that Biden wants to tax. The organizational chart that I'm in has 3 rungs. Me, the guy above me, and the guy who owns the business. I don't know exactly how many people are employed, but I would guess it is 30 or less and has been around since 1983.
I get paid well, with health coverage included at no cost to me (no dental), PLUS a nice yearly bonus. (There are some bad sides to being a cable rat though, like going into 14" high crawl spaces that nobody has been in since the 1980's to run cable.) You start taxing my boss more, do you think he is going to eat that? No, he is going to cut costs. Probably cut one or two of the tech support ladies and deal with the longer phone hold times the customers have to deal with. Cut a tech or two, meaning longer wait times for equipment repairs. Less new equipment, fewer new vehicles, fewer bonuses and benefits.
I work for one of those companies that is owned by those "rich people" that Biden wants to tax. The organizational chart that I'm in has 3 rungs. Me, the guy above me, and the guy who owns the business. I don't know exactly how many people are employed, but I would guess it is 30 or less and has been around since 1983.
I get paid well, with health coverage included at no cost to me (no dental), PLUS a nice yearly bonus. (There are some bad sides to being a cable rat though, like going into 14" high crawl spaces that nobody has been in since the 1980's to run cable.) You start taxing my boss more, do you think he is going to eat that? No, he is going to cut costs. Probably cut one or two of the tech support ladies and deal with the longer phone hold times the customers have to deal with. Cut a tech or two, meaning longer wait times for equipment repairs. Less new equipment, fewer new vehicles, fewer bonuses and benefits.
Amen.
I actually had a dream a few months ago. In it, I encountered Obama at a Rally. Don't know why I was there, maybe to spit on the hippies or something. Anyways, I had the chance to ask him.....of the three employees I have, after you raise taxes, which one should I fire so I can continue to afford my lifestyle?
- The Black woman
- Single mother with 3 kids
- Single mother with 4 kids
Pick one, Mr. Biden/Mr. Obama. Because I promise that if I can't afford my bills because you jack up my taxes at least one of them is going out the door.
Post by: agricola on September 22, 2008, 12:39:16 PM
Hi everyone. Throwing my hat in the ring.
I work for one of those companies that is owned by those "rich people" that Biden wants to tax. The organizational chart that I'm in has 3 rungs. Me, the guy above me, and the guy who owns the business. I don't know exactly how many people are employed, but I would guess it is 30 or less and has been around since 1983.
I get paid well, with health coverage included at no cost to me (no dental), PLUS a nice yearly bonus. (There are some bad sides to being a cable rat though, like going into 14" high crawl spaces that nobody has been in since the 1980's to run cable.) You start taxing my boss more, do you think he is going to eat that? No, he is going to cut costs. Probably cut one or two of the tech support ladies and deal with the longer phone hold times the customers have to deal with. Cut a tech or two, meaning longer wait times for equipment repairs. Less new equipment, fewer new vehicles, fewer bonuses and benefits.
I work for one of those companies that is owned by those "rich people" that Biden wants to tax. The organizational chart that I'm in has 3 rungs. Me, the guy above me, and the guy who owns the business. I don't know exactly how many people are employed, but I would guess it is 30 or less and has been around since 1983.
I get paid well, with health coverage included at no cost to me (no dental), PLUS a nice yearly bonus. (There are some bad sides to being a cable rat though, like going into 14" high crawl spaces that nobody has been in since the 1980's to run cable.) You start taxing my boss more, do you think he is going to eat that? No, he is going to cut costs. Probably cut one or two of the tech support ladies and deal with the longer phone hold times the customers have to deal with. Cut a tech or two, meaning longer wait times for equipment repairs. Less new equipment, fewer new vehicles, fewer bonuses and benefits.
Amen.
I actually had a dream a few months ago. In it, I encountered Obama at a Rally. Don't know why I was there, maybe to spit on the hippies or something. Anyways, I had the chance to ask him.....of the three employees I have, after you raise taxes, which one should I fire so I can continue to afford my lifestyle?
- The Black woman
- Single mother with 3 kids
- Single mother with 4 kids
Pick one, Mr. Biden/Mr. Obama. Because I promise that if I can't afford my bills because you jack up my taxes at least one of them is going out the door.
Under the Obama-Biden tax plan, noone would be sacked, you would take on ten new workers who would all have healthcare, and your car would run on a brand new hot-air propulsion system powered by two revolutionary new power generation centres in Washington DC.
Post by: MicroBalrog on September 22, 2008, 11:06:37 PM
Quote from: lacoochee
So get ready, for The Coalition of Southern States, The Western Confederation, and The Peoples Republic of New England. (oh and Texas of course there will always be a Texas)
You obviously don't know New England, then. Massachusetts and Connecticut would likely become a socialist state. New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine would do their own thing, a "League of Go Away and Leave Us Alone", more like it.
Actually, NH, Vermont, Maine, upper NY, all of PA except Philly and a narrow chunk of the eastern border. The People's Republic would probably get NoVA, Maryland, NJ, Philly, some parts of eastern PA (NJ has been slowly infiltrating), NYC area, CT, and Mass.
Vastly unlikely, but it'd be amusing to see a Berlin style wall surrounding Philly.
Berlin blockade, Soviet-style.
Post by: LadySmith on September 23, 2008, 12:17:48 AM
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Post by: Manedwolf on September 23, 2008, 07:37:44 AM
*sigh* It would be nice if Biden and ilk took the real world into account when dreaming up their idealogies.
The man thinks he's being "Common" by taking the train to work each day.
Amtrak. $97 EACH FREAKING WAY. Twice a day.
Post by: slingshot on September 23, 2008, 07:42:13 AM
Yes, a common man pays almost $200 a day to commute to work. But maybe the rest of us may see that when gas goes up a bit, (a lot bit).
Post by: Art Eatman on September 24, 2008, 03:08:34 PM
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/currentdistribution.cfm
The sad thing about Obiden et cie is their belief structure: Raising taxes on oil companies will get more oil, and cheaper gasoline. Duh? Raising the capital gains tax will not reduce sales transactions of capital items and thus the availability of investment capital--and taxes. Duh? Raising the death tax will not result in more tax-avoiding trust funds or movement of monies offshore. Duh?
There are reasonable odds that I'll die in a nearly-broke condition, but my kid just might know where there is a bunch of rare coins and bullion...
Post by: Waitone on September 24, 2008, 03:37:50 PM
Post by: Halo on September 24, 2008, 03:56:43 PM
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The sad thing about Obiden et cie is their belief structure: Raising taxes on oil companies will get more oil, and cheaper gasoline. Duh?
I think about that every time I see that commercial where Obama says he'll enact a "windfall tax" on oil companies, and I always wonder if he actually believes that is going to help anything, or if it is just populist pandering. It's one thing he and his ilk just can't comprehend (or maybe they just conveniently ignore): businesses don't pay taxes! They might write the check but we're the ones paying for it when we purchase their products. How is yet another tax on the oil companies supposed to give me relief at the gas pump? Absolutely mind boggling!
Post by: buzz_knox on September 25, 2008, 06:01:41 AM
One of the reasons the tax code is so massive is due to the special circumstances and carve outs politicians are paid to put in.
Post by: slingshot on September 26, 2008, 09:30:32 AM
Biden and Obama (and many Democrats in Congress for that matter) know that raising taxes on all oil companies only shifts more revenue to the central government and the little folks will pay the price at the pump. It is all about redistribution of wealth and buying votes. They know better how to spend your money. But.. it will only mean about $0.03 per gallon (guess).... get with the program.
Post by: Art Eatman on September 26, 2008, 12:32:24 PM
Post by: MicroBalrog on September 28, 2008, 12:02:12 AM
*sigh* It would be nice if Biden and ilk took the real world into account when dreaming up their idealogies.
The man thinks he's being "Common" by taking the train to work each day.
Amtrak. $97 EACH FREAKING WAY. Twice a day.
For what distance?