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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on December 27, 2023, 03:07:54 PM
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I think most of us know by now that "red pill" can refer to a left-leaning or non-political person having a sort of conservative awakening. That meaning has been current for a while. If you didn't know, and haven't watched The Matrix, then you may be a little confused at this point. It gets worse.
In the past year or two I've learned that a lot of people use "red pill" much differently and seem unaware of the other meaning. For them, the red pill means you're part of the "manosphere." That is, you realize that "modern women" are toxic. They might be good for a casual fling, or a hook-up, but attempting to have a serious relationship with one is not advised. And whatever you do, don't marry one, or you'll regret it. Or at least, that's my understanding of their views.
I can't claim to know much about the "manosphere" viewpoint, and I'm probably about half-way accurate, but I do see a problem that comes from "red pill" being used in two very different ways, with no one every clarifying what they mean by it. If right-wingers are talking about being conservative or pro-Trump red-pilled, but we're perceived as saying we don't like women - well, we didn't really need any more help being seen that way. If the manosphere types are talking about being manosphere red-pilled, they may give the impression that their point of view is part and parcel of current right-leaning politics, or so-called Trumpism.
So that's all kind of annoying.
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I can't keep up - first there was political correctness, that then somehow became "woke." The Coming Ice Age became Global Warming, and this week it's Climate Change. I never heard of Proud Boys or Q-Anon until they start talking about them on TV about 2 or 3 years ago. Then there was "mansplaining" . . . and now . . . manosphere? Manosphere?
Who the hell keeps making all this stuff up?
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I'm always getting recommendations to a lot of these manosphere youtube channels. I can't tell if they're all part of the Andrew Tate crowd or if it's a whole other category. It seems like a lot of them are actually not Andrew Tate like, and more about young men getting married, having families, being more traditional, and avoiding the feminist women with the high body counts.
To me, being red pilled is liberals going conservative.
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I'm always getting recommendations to a lot of these manosphere youtube channels.
Ben's being radicalized!!
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Sometimes the red pill is an involuntary suppository.
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The manosphere portion of the redpill world is pretty small these days. The manosphere was a victim of its intrinsic nihilism.
One of the big guns in that world (Roosh) has rejected the manosphere, become an Orthodox Christian and evangelizes submitting to Christ, pursuing a traditional lifestyle and living according to Bible morality.
There was a time when there was some overlap with a bunch of alt right streams of thought including the manosphere guys.
Being redpilled is sort of a generic way of saying "opening your eyes and accepting reality". I doubt very many would immediately assume you were referencing them or the offshoot of MGTOW (men going their own way) who embrace celibacy instead of playing "The Game".
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I agree there's a sub-set of the "incel" movement that has just written off modern women and tends to adhere to more conservative doctrine and call themselves red-pilled. One of the bigger Youtube channels that pushes (or at least documents) this agenda, fairly politely, is called "Better Bachelor." I'm happily in a relationship that I have no intention of leaving, but honestly I kinda agree with a lot of what the channel talks about.
One video in particular that I watched was about female coworkers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BJGBkmb2Wc). My mind immediately went to Mike Pence's longstanding rule to never have dinner with female coworkers or subordinates, or to otherwise work late or outside of the scope of other witnesses with female coworkers. Evidently women are now bitching that men won't interact with them outside of strict job-related confines, and when a male manager has a promotional/disciplinary meeting with a female subordinate he always has a 3rd party present for his own safety. And women are cross that they're not welcome at the "fun" after-work stuff that male coworkers sometimes do.
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Ron, I think there are a lot of people that only know one definition or the other. I think a lot of those people are anti-manosphere, left-leaning, and when someone says they're red-pilled, they think "this guy hates women."
I guess on its own, that's probably not a big deal. Just another example of right-wingers refusing to understand how we cripple ourselves with the way we talk.
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Ron, I think there are a lot of people that only know one definition or the other. I think a lot of those people are anti-manosphere, left-leaning, and when someone says they're red-pilled, they think "this guy hates women."
To be fair, most left-leaning people tend to assume anyone to their right hates women, minorities, foreigners, gays, and books (other than the Good one) anyway. Not sure that correctly communicating would change the message they hear all that much.
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To be fair, most left-leaning people tend to assume anyone to their right hates women, minorities, foreigners, gays, and books (other than the Good one) anyway. Not sure that correctly communicating would change the message they hear all that much.
Yes, of course.
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Being red pilled is sort of a generic way of saying "opening your eyes and accepting reality".
This. The generic term "red pilled" means accepting an unpleasant reality about the way the world works, so you can use it in various ways.
The manosphere version of the being redpilled is when someone realizes that women are sexually attracted by dominance (without regards to morality), and not to kindness. Some men respond to this with utter nihilism (supposed pickup artists), despair (mgtow), and others try to use this to have real relationships with women.
I supposed the political version of being redpilled would be when a person realizes that the Left hates Western Civilization in general, and white people in particular, and everything they do is in an attempt to degrade both.
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Then there was "mansplaining" . . . and now . . . manosphere? Manosphere?
Pro-male, anti-feminist internet websites, mostly blogs. Some are run by loathsome loons, others by reasonable people.
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To me, being red pilled is liberals going conservative.
I should restate this, as the above is simplistic. I was thinking more about this:
(https://brownpelicanla.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/FRcu9TeXEAMjvTM-e1651575915174.jpg)
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^^^I love that graphic.
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"Red-pilled" can be a generic term, but the point is, a lot of people don't understand it that way. They only use it for the meaning it has in a particular bubble, and that might be the only meaning they know of.
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"Red-pilled" can be a generic term, but the point is, a lot of people don't understand it that way. They only use it for the meaning it has in a particular bubble, and that might be the only meaning they know of.
I sort of agree, social media continually is used to redefine words and phrases. For example, here I've identified myself as a nationalist and OK with tribalism (races and ethnicities). Being here, I've also had a chance to explain myself to reasonable people.
In normie land I would be pilloried and never get a chance to make my point. I'd immediately be considered "bad white man".
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I sort of agree, social media continually is used to redefine words and phrases. For example, here I've identified myself as a nationalist and OK with tribalism (races and ethnicities). Being here, I've also had a chance to explain myself to reasonable people.
In normie land I would be pilloried and never get a chance to make my point. I'd immediately be considered "bad white man".
Pretty parallel views and experience.
One side note is that for a long time this old paranoid conservative has seen the confusion caused by wordshiifitng as a deliberate small part of the overall strategy to destroy every aspect of U.S. culture and values by confusion, no mater whether it's in a big way or, in the wordshifting case, small ways. Kind of like the TV show "The Rat Patrol," where every episode is a mere "Raid," not a large scale operation, which nevertheless advances the Allied cause in a small way.
Meh. That's just the way I see it.
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Many years ago, I heard a old preacher say that gender neutral language was Satanic. I thought he was nuts.
Now I'm not so sure. =(
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Women are a parasitic insane species that is symbiotic with men for reproduction and sustenance...
Well, that's my conclusion at least.
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If you are interested in reading a positive use of red pill information, this formulation is pretty good:
https://www.pastor.trinity-pres.net/blog/15-men-women/51-the-folk-wisdom-of-the-red-pill
A search about "red pill" will generally lead you to dozens of websites saying it is the spawn of satan… because it is extremely anti-feminist. Women are not particularly interested in men knowing what women really find attractive. Most would rather men think that women are superior, wonderful beings who are attracted to men being nice, and kind, and doing things for them. That makes it a lot easier for women to manipulate men.
In reality, women are mainly attracted by dominance (confidence, masculinity, strength, power, status, money) without regard to how kind or good the man is. (Not that kindness in a man is of no value to a women- certainly not, especially when their children are involved, but it isn't particularly sexually attractive).
When some men learn that what women (and society) have been telling them about the relationship between the sexes is basically false, they get really bitter and hateful. They may realize why they have seen awful men being far more successful with women than them, when they have been trying to be "nice" to women. Hence the fact that some of the red pill men become horrible, manipulative people, or just swear off women.
Of course, the above information is also helpful to men who want to be a better boyfriend, husband, or father- men who love women, and want to be what they really need, and to make their female counterpart happy. There is no need to be a bad person at all to be a red pill man- just try and be a strong, assertive man.
I make no assertion to being particularly good at mastering the above information myself. I've got my own challenges that I have discussed elsewhere on this board.
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The Female Rule of Sixes. The ideal mate is...
6 Feet tall
6 Figure income
6 Felonies at least
Two are acceptable
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The Female Rule of Sixes. The ideal mate is...
6 Feet tall
6 Figure income
6 Felonies at least
Two are acceptable
I thought the third was six inches at least….???? :lol:
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The Female Rule of Sixes. The ideal mate is...
6 Feet tall
6 Figure income
6 Felonies at least
Two are acceptable
I thought the third was six inches at least….???? :lol:
(https://i.imgflip.com/3rz37c.jpg)
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The manosphere started as a trial and error approach to different tactics to get chicks.
The tactics became more sophisticated, it became called Game Theory.
Then an intersection between Game and Evolutionary Psychology became obvious and that started to be explored by some pretty sharp minds.
I watched it happen in real time once the evoPsyc aspect started taking off. The evoPsyc angle also highlighted the failure of men to be men, hence their failures. There was a schism that occurred when many became disillusioned with The Game's success and realized what they really wanted was a healthy relationship with their dream girl, not be a player gaming whores. This was in conjunction with players doing work to be better men (to attract chicks), which had the effect on many of them of turning them off to using manipulation tactics (pretending to be real men) for sex. Instead of mimicking men who naturally get chicks they wanted to really become a man who chicks find attractive.
Many veered into the manosphere fork that framed the information in context of traditional family values and Christian masculinity, which the Christians in the manosphere found to be completely lacking in churches.
This was all taking place in the alt right world I was exposed to back in 2014/15.
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The Female Rule of Sixes. The ideal mate is...
6 Feet tall
6 Figure income
6 Felonies at least
Two are acceptable
The last one is 6-pack abs in the version I've heard.
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The manosphere started as a trial and error approach to different tactics to get chicks.
I guess there are a lot of definitions of "manosphere". The two versions that youtube recommendations exposed me to are:
1) People like Jedediah Bila (used to be on The View, but I guess got red pilled) who talks about stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/66hKBbb7s_c?feature=share
Or "Pearly Things" https://www.youtube.com/shorts/00e0ONfCD8U?feature=share
Both of these are almost like a non-pornographic Only Fans in that they're both kind of pandering to guys who can't get dates, or even the many of us who roll our eyes at the women who want us to both hold the door open for them, but then yell at us if we do. At the same time, they do bring up good points about modern feminism and modern dating, in the vein of the 666 stuff brought up above.
2) Also what people like Garand Thumb and John Lovell say. They both talk about traditionalism, and also focus on their (I assume) majority young guy audience to get off the porn, which as a boomer, I've only lately learned that "porn as a relationship" (and the detrimental brain rewiring that goes with it) is almost a common and accepted thing among the Gen y-z guys (and I guess some gals too). Lovell talks about it on his channel all the time. GT doesn't really bring it up on his channel, but since he's moved to Idaho, he has been giving lectures at places like Boise State geared towards young guys embracing traditional family and religion.
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I'm sure it's moved on and changed since the days I perused the popular sites. In was pretty underground initially. Not as much of a youtube presence back then, mostly blogs and forums.
It was never my area of focus but it was entangled with some other ideological/philosophical trends I was investigating.
An interesting time for sure and I did learn a bit. Sort of humbling in that I was able to identify some mistakes I'd made in relationships and some false assumptions I'd held.
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"Porn as a relationship" - have not heard that one before. What's that mean?
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"Porn as a relationship" - have not heard that one before. What's that mean?
That guys choose the interwebz porn over real live girls.
I suppose it's the modern equivalent of hookers, in the, "When we're done, she leaves" vein. However there have been studies* done that show guys who get deeply into the internet porn, where your every sexual fantasy and fetish can come true, lose the ability to have physical sex with real girls. Apparently for some young guys (and maybe older ones too, but I only hear about this as "acceptable" for the gen-z crowd - I suppose in the way "trans" and genderfluid" are acceptable) it's perfectly normal to spend hours every day getting off on the porn and thus not having to deal with a relationship or responsibility to get their sex.
* Related to why I mentioned "brain rewiring". There are a lot of studies that show that most of us have had our brains somewhat rewired just from Internet use, such as losing the ability to focus on a task because our brains are being rewired to jump down internet rabbit holes and get bored after five minutes of a video or such. The brain rewiring from the internet porn can apparently be much more severe. Kinda like Barkley in Star Trek TNG when he gets the holosuite addiction.
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* Related to why I mentioned "brain rewiring". There are a lot of studies that show that most of us have had our brains somewhat rewired just from Internet use, such as losing the ability to focus on a task because our brains are being rewired to jump down internet rabbit holes and get bored after five minutes of a video or such. The brain rewiring from the internet porn can apparently be much more severe. Kinda like Barkley in Star Trek TNG when he gets the holosuite addiction.
see "Amusing ourselves to death" by Neil Postman
How we gather information rewires the brain and influences how we process information.
Going from oral tradition and stories to the written word and widescale literacy of the public was revolutionary to human civilization.
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Many years ago, I heard a old preacher say that gender neutral language was Satanic. I thought he was nuts.
Now I'm not so sure. =(
I don't believe in a Satan, since evil lies in the hearts of men, not on some external critter riding on your left shoulder.
(https://cdn4.vectorstock.com/i/1000x1000/65/53/devil-and-angel-on-shoulders-pop-art-vector-18116553.jpg)
But I understand Satanic as an adjective, and I would agree that most of the Left's activities are Satanic in that sense, as well as individually short-sighted, ignorant, and stupid. The term "useful idiots" crops up in my mind.
Bogie, it's a good thing your customer base is mostly male...
:rofl:
However, you present a factor which must be considered in all dealings with the general population. :rofl: :rofl:
I'm not signing this one so nobody will know who posted it.
REF ("Useful Idiots" supposed origin):
"The earliest known appearance of the term was in a New York Times article in June 1948. The article was about Italian politics, where they mentioned a detail from the Italian newspaper called L’Umanitá, in which they used the term to refer to left-wing social democrats."
https://digitalcultures.net/slang/useful-idiot/
I'm not 100% confident in that. I've got ten bucks that says if some etymologist digs deep enough, he'll find the term used even back in the days of Socrates. <GRIN>