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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2012, 03:41:28 AM »
Two issues.

1. As you know full-well, anti-freedom should not be enforced. I am sure Revdisk et. al would prefer the AG ignore the issue as he does with Obama.

2. I think you and I agree that a law like this allows for very wide discretion. It appears that Santorum intends for it to be interpreted widely and enforced vigorously. This seems to be against... most people's concept of individual liberty.

Individual liberty is the most important political issue, is it not?
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2012, 05:17:35 AM »
Huh. OK. Doesn't seem like the best use of the AG's time. Still funny that enforcing current law is characterized as "imposing his morality on us!!1"

How about using the AG to enforce the laws that gov't agencies are violating now?.....
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2012, 06:03:45 AM »
How about using the AG to enforce the laws that gov't agencies are violating now?.....

Or tax laws for WH employees.......
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2012, 07:14:08 AM »
OK... does anyone else remember what Bush's first AG did with the statue of Justice? Is THAT what we think needs to be addressed?
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2012, 12:56:35 PM »
Makes sense for him. Have any of you come across his comments on Libertarians?
I didn't think he'd be dumb enough to say it, though. He's hands-off on contraception, but hands-on on porn?

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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2012, 01:20:31 PM »
Makes sense for him. Have any of you come across his comments on Libertarians?
I didn't think he'd be dumb enough to say it, though. He's hands-off on contraception, but hands-on on porn?

Wouldn't be the first to be "hands-on" WRT porn.   :angel:

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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2012, 02:18:10 PM »
Makes sense for him. Have any of you come across his comments on Libertarians?

No.  I'm guessing, he don like 'em?

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I didn't think he'd be dumb enough to say it, though. He's hands-off on contraception, but hands-on on porn?

Playing to the evangelical vote, that cares a lot more about dirty pictures than contraception.

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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2012, 02:19:47 PM »
Huh. OK. Doesn't seem like the best use of the AG's time. Still funny that enforcing current law is characterized as "imposing his morality on us!!1"

No, it does not seem like the best use of the AG's time. And that is a legitimate concern. Time spent on an anti-pornography campaign is time not spent on other activities.

And yes, it would be accurately characterized as imposing his morality on us. "Pornography" has numerous grey areas. It is fairly obvious that "hardcore" porn is porn. What about pictures of nekkid folks? Tasteful nekkid folks?  Not tasteful nekkid folks?  Medical journals?  How do you write up the EXACT legal definition to cover the situation?

Of course, that's a trick question. Pornography laws, with exceptions of certain categories (involving nonconsent, etc), are properly not valid as the federal government has no standing to limit freedom of speech, which covers written and artistic works. Even commercial ones. Just because a law was passed does not mean it holds water under the Constitution. More than a few laws are ignored by the executive and judicial branches because they KNOW it won't hold water, too hard to enforce, will make them look like a laughing stock, politically incorrect to enforce, etc. Use taxes, Robo-Signing, illegal immigration, etc.

Of course, SCOTUS does not always rule in favor of the Constitution either, and is not particularly loath to invent legal doctrine out of thin air.  Categories of judicial review were invented in 1938, and basically determine how easily a Constitutional right can be infringed. Korematsu v. United States "legalized" internment.  Dred Scott v. Sandford "legalized" slavery.

So yes, intentionally enforcing laws historically not enforced is a deliberate political statement.


No.  I'm guessing, he don like 'em?

Playing to the evangelical vote, that cares a lot more about dirty pictures than contraception.

No, he does not like libertarians, and sees them as contrary to the interests of the Republican Party specifically and the United States generally. Yes, he is playing the religious (not just evangelical) vote. But you misunderstand him. He believes what he says. That is what makes him more of a concern than the average politician.

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While obviously, Mr Santorum is not a monster. But he does honestly, no kidding, believe his beliefs are absolute right and all contrary beliefs are absolute wrong. And that God would directly back his beliefs. Thus he does believe any violations of the law and the Constitution in implementing his beliefs upon the citizenry would be valid. He's not stupid, he was a career politician. But anything he could implement, he would.
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2012, 02:38:27 PM »
I was unaware that so many people thought porn policy was such an important part of a presidential platform. Sorry if I'm not going to lose any sleep over Santorum's campaign promises on same.

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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2012, 02:46:05 PM »
Makes sense for him. Have any of you come across his comments on Libertarians?
I didn't think he'd be dumb enough to say it, though. He's hands-off on contraception, but hands-on on porn?

That's a thread win!  =D
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2012, 02:48:25 PM »
I was unaware that so many people thought porn policy was such an important part of a presidential platform. Sorry if I'm not going to lose any sleep over Santorum's campaign promises on same.

Nor should you.  But...  If everyone from PA warns you he is very bad news, and he does become the Republican's great hope for POTUS... That will be an interesting day.

He would be a more worrisome POTUS than Obama. Obama is a Chicago politician. SOME part of him still knows he's just another shyster politician telling folks what they want to hear. Admittedly, far less than would be healthy. Santorum has no voice in the back of his mind whispering "Hominem te esse memento".
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2012, 02:55:22 PM »
Just fyi, but Romney's campaign platform website statement about enforcing federal obscenity laws is almost exactly the same as Santorums. Of course you could argue that he doesn't really mean it (God knows he has a history of that) but officially the two are the same.
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2012, 02:59:58 PM »
Nor should you.  But...  If everyone from PA warns you he is very bad news, and he does become the Republican's great hope for POTUS... That will be an interesting day.

He would be a more worrisome POTUS than Obama. Obama is a Chicago politician. SOME part of him still knows he's just another shyster politician telling folks what they want to hear. Admittedly, far less than would be healthy. Santorum has no voice in the back of his mind whispering "Hominem te esse memento".

Interesting is a kind word.

The only voice in his head seems to tell him to 'keep talking, POTUS King', as opposed to 'Engage brain before mouth, Ricky'!
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2012, 04:03:33 PM »
So is Santorum worse than Romney now? I'm already not voting for Romney, due to health care. I'm still willing to vote for Santorum. (in the general election, if one of the two wins the primary)

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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2012, 04:09:12 PM »
I'd not vote for either, although Romney's prostitute-like willingness to fake whatever his client wants almost makes me go for him.
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2012, 06:30:19 PM »
Nor should you.  But...  If everyone from PA warns you he is very bad news, and he does become the Republican's great hope for POTUS... That will be an interesting day.

He would be a more worrisome POTUS than Obama. Obama is a Chicago politician. SOME part of him still knows he's just another shyster politician telling folks what they want to hear. Admittedly, far less than would be healthy. Santorum has no voice in the back of his mind whispering "Hominem te esse memento".

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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2012, 07:48:27 PM »
Nor should you.  But...  If everyone from PA warns you he is very bad news, and he does become the Republican's great hope for POTUS... That will be an interesting day.

He would be a more worrisome POTUS than Obama. Obama is a Chicago politician. SOME part of him still knows he's just another shyster politician telling folks what they want to hear. Admittedly, far less than would be healthy. Santorum has no voice in the back of his mind whispering "Hominem te esse memento".

Rather large and unsupported assumption.  Ol' Jug Ears has been told he walks on water for decades.  His every act signals he believes his own hype.  His wife promised we would have no choice but to change once he was elected.

The goes-to-mass-and-confess every week R Catholics (the "Catholic Wing of the R Catholic Church") do seem have an understanding of Original Sin, and usually have an understanding of their own wretchedness before their Lord.  It is the theological liberals that think their shinola don't stink.  Preaching good morality is not necessarily a sign that someone is unaware of their own foibles.
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Re: Santorum renews promise to root out obscene pornography
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2012, 08:00:43 PM »
the "Catholic Wing of the R Catholic Church

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