Post by: Manedwolf on August 03, 2007, 10:03:40 AM
And why in the East River?
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Three Pulled from Sublike Vessel in NYC River
Authorities Reportedly Are Questioning Three Men After Discovery of Sublike Vessel
Aug. 3, 2007
Authorities are questioning three men after pulling them from a submersible vessel in the East River in Brooklyn, N.Y., according to reports from ABC affiliate WABC.
The men were captured near the Brooklyn Cruise Terminal in downtown Brooklyn, near the massive cruise ship the Queen Mary 2, just after 11 a.m.
The intent of the three men being held by police remains unclear, but the initial indication is that it did not appear to be terror-related. They have not been identified by police and no charges have been filed.
The orblike vessel, with a circular hatch on the top for entering and exiting, remains moored in the East River in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn. It was equipped with oxygen tanks, WABC reported.
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Authorities Reportedly Are Questioning Three Men After Discovery of Sublike Vessel
Aug. 3, 2007
Authorities are questioning three men after pulling them from a submersible vessel in the East River in Brooklyn, N.Y., according to reports from ABC affiliate WABC.
The men were captured near the Brooklyn Cruise Terminal in downtown Brooklyn, near the massive cruise ship the Queen Mary 2, just after 11 a.m.
The intent of the three men being held by police remains unclear, but the initial indication is that it did not appear to be terror-related. They have not been identified by police and no charges have been filed.
The orblike vessel, with a circular hatch on the top for entering and exiting, remains moored in the East River in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn. It was equipped with oxygen tanks, WABC reported.
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Post by: grislyatoms on August 03, 2007, 10:17:01 AM
Post by: Brad Johnson on August 03, 2007, 10:50:21 AM
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Hey Bubba, I gots me an ideeur...
Brad
Post by: Tallpine on August 03, 2007, 11:22:32 AM
Post by: MillCreek on August 03, 2007, 11:32:40 AM
Well, the first sub looked a lot like that, except it was made out of wood.
Exactly what I thought. The Turtle, built by David Bushnell in 1776.
Post by: AJ Dual on August 03, 2007, 12:24:49 PM
Well, the first sub looked a lot like that, except it was made out of wood.
Exactly what I thought. The Turtle, built by David Bushnell in 1776.
Exactly what I was thinking too. That old cross-section woodcut with the guy inside turning all the cranks..
Post by: Tallpine on August 03, 2007, 12:41:13 PM
Post by: crt360 on August 03, 2007, 12:56:47 PM
Post by: Brad Johnson on August 03, 2007, 02:06:18 PM
Brad
Post by: ilbob on August 03, 2007, 02:30:44 PM
Post by: DJJ on August 03, 2007, 02:57:18 PM
Post by: 280plus on August 03, 2007, 04:34:07 PM
I'll check and get back to ya'll...
$5 says it's the same people. LOL...
Post by: Ron on August 03, 2007, 05:26:22 PM
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These guys were probably "cranks" too
You channeling Preacherman?
Post by: roo_ster on August 03, 2007, 07:26:17 PM
Don't look like you've been banned. Maybe PC/browser config issues?
Post by: Manedwolf on August 03, 2007, 10:54:31 PM
did they do anything illegal?
AFAIK, it's illegal to take a vessel out into public waterways in the area without running lights, a marine radio, fire extinguisher, and all of that other stuff.
And they were apparently in a "security zone". Seriously, floating a submarine past the Queen Mary 2 was just stupid. Why didn't they go somewhere remote to play with it?
Post by: esheato on August 04, 2007, 12:02:28 AM
On another note, when the QM2 was in the SF Bay, people flocked to see it. Never did understand why.
Ed
Post by: Manedwolf on August 04, 2007, 12:14:08 AM
USS Cole ring a bell?
Post by: Tallpine on August 04, 2007, 06:55:19 AM
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AFAIK, it's illegal to take a vessel out into public waterways in the area without running lights, a marine radio, fire extinguisher, and all of that other stuff.
Running lights ... on a submarine ...
And a really long antenna for the radio.
Post by: ilbob on August 04, 2007, 07:17:22 AM
did they do anything illegal?
AFAIK, it's illegal to take a vessel out into public waterways in the area without running lights, a marine radio, fire extinguisher, and all of that other stuff.
And they were apparently in a "security zone". Seriously, floating a submarine past the Queen Mary 2 was just stupid. Why didn't they go somewhere remote to play with it?
Could be the people that made the vessel were unaware of the regulations involving such things. I have to tell you though, I have seen a lot of canoes, kayaks, bass boats, rafts, etc., that have no running lights, radio, or fire extinguishers.
How is this any worse than some one in a kayak in the same area?
Post by: Len Budney on August 04, 2007, 07:57:58 AM
How is this any worse than some one in a kayak in the same area?
You just don't get it, dude: nothing says "enemy invader" like "submarine." It's the maritime equivalent of "assault weapons" and "sniper rifles.""Submarine Spotted Just Off NYC Shore!"
"Assault Weapons in Peoria!"
"35% of 'Hunters' Use Sniper Rifles!"
--Len.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 04, 2007, 08:08:55 AM
1. The East River is not where you expect to see a civilian submarine. Floaties and 2" visibility are not conducive to underwater sightseeing.
2. The East River DOES have giant international-symbol cruise ships docked there.
3. The Japanese tried to use minisubs to infiltrate Pearl Harbor. The Hunley infiltrated a Union harbor.
4. The USS Cole was punctured by people who rammed a tiny raft into its side.
5. A ball that looks like it's made of junk rather than a shiny yellow or white thing with windows that says "neptune tours" or the like is a lot more likely to be mistaken for a desparate plot.
It was just dumb to have it there, period. It'd be like having a surprise airsoft game in fatigues with airsoft rifles in front of the Capitol.
Post by: Harold Tuttle on August 04, 2007, 08:24:22 AM
Authorities Responded After Antique Replica Drifted Too Close to Cruise Ship
By DAVID SCHOETZ
Aug. 3, 2007
A man in a Revolutionary War-era submarine was cited by the U.S. Coast Guard for drifting into a security zone, and for unsafe sailing in New York's East River near the Queen Mary 2 luxury liner, the Coast Guard and New York City Police Department said Friday.
The man in the replica vessel was identified as 35-year-old Philip "Duke" Riley of Brooklyn, N.Y., according to Coast Guard spokesman Petty Officer Seth Johnson.
Authorities said it was the second time Riley had floated the vessel in the vicinity of the cruise ship. The submarine, which reportedly did not have a mechanical propulsion system, was being towed by two other men in a rowboat.
"A makeshift submarine discovered at about 10:30 this morning by an NYPD Intelligence detective onboard the Queen Mary 2 in New York Harbor is the creative craft of three adventuresome individuals," NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly announced in an afternoon press release. "It does not pose any terrorist threat."
While Kelly said the Queen Mary 2 will be inspected to ensure the boat's integrity, and Riley and the two other men could further face NYPD charges, he chalked up the incident as a case of "marine mischief."
Riley was questioned by police after a guard on the Queen Mary 2 spotted the 8-by-4-foot fiberglass and wood submarine, a replica of a 1775 model called the "Turtle," within 200 feet of the ship. The U.S. Coast Guard also responded to the scene.
Oxygen tanks were discovered inside the vessel, but no threatening devices or materials were found onboard.
The "Turtle," invented in Connecticut by David Bushnell, was the first combat submarine designed to plant explosives on the sides of ships, according to the Encyclopedia Britannica.
A photo gallery posted July 17, 2007, on the photo-sharing Web site flickr.com titled "Adventures With an Egg" shows a "Turtle" submarine making a test run in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn, near the spot where Riley was apprehended by authorities today.
The photo slideshow also links to the Web site www.dukeriley.info, the namesake of which is described as "the man behind the madness." On that site, Riley describes himself as an "artist" and "patriot," who combines "populist myths and reinvented historical obscurities with contemporary social dilemmas."
The statement concludes, "Throughout my projects, I profile the space where water meets the land, traditionally marking the periphery of urban society, what lies beyond rigid moral constructs, a sense of danger and possibility."
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Post by: Harold Tuttle on August 04, 2007, 08:33:08 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/keylimecom/sets/72157600904315117/
http://wonkette.com/politics/american-turtle/
Post by: Manedwolf on August 04, 2007, 08:36:46 AM
And good god, that ship is ugly. Hammerhead bridge, no funnel visible from the front.
Compare it to the original:
Post by: Tallpine on August 04, 2007, 08:44:57 AM
Post by: 280plus on August 04, 2007, 12:02:44 PM
Post by: Parker Dean on August 04, 2007, 12:08:23 PM
Also I'm pretty sure the idea was to "attack" a British ship. I mean there's just no other reason to be there, with that, at that time. Even without the potential terrorist attack perception by observers, being around an operating ship underwater is just damn stupid what with all the suction and discharges from various machinery.
Post by: ilbob on August 04, 2007, 12:16:40 PM
I haven't heard back from my friends yet but I can't believe TWO different individuals have both made replicas of the turtle, it HAS to be the same ones.
Perhaps they are still in jail for not having running lights on their replica civil war era submarine.
Post by: Gewehr98 on August 04, 2007, 12:25:47 PM
Everybody knows if you're gonna make a run at British ships, you need a German U-Boat, or at the very minimum an Admiral Graf Spree replica.
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/shipmodels/german_models/admiralgrafspeeterra.html
Post by: Harold Tuttle on August 04, 2007, 12:36:51 PM
With the object of his obsession looming in the background (Queen Mary II), Duke is dealt the final blow when we are instructed to make way ashore with the egg in tow.
Post by: 280plus on August 04, 2007, 03:06:14 PM
I haven't heard back from my friends yet but I can't believe TWO different individuals have both made replicas of the turtle, it HAS to be the same ones.
Perhaps they are still in jail for not having running lights on their replica civil war era submarine.
I LOVE that replica battleship, being an old sailor and all...