Interactive Map of Botched Paramilitary Police Raids

[TechMan]

I find this interesting and I am not "cop bashing".  The title is the Cato Institute's own title.  If you select the criteria from the boxes below and hit the submit button it will display the various incidents in a summary form and cite sources.
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/#

[taurusowner]

When are they rolling out the "medical malpractice map" or the "mechanics who overcharge but don't fix your car problem" map? Maybe a "postal carrier who delivers to the wrong house" map or a "road crews who only work a few hours a day" map? I can't wait. 

[Balog]

When any of those people have .gov permission to kick in your door in the middle of the night and kill you if you resist?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i fear the irs much more

[dogmush]

i fear the irs much more

Well yes, the IRS has .gov permission to kick in your door in the middle of the night and kill you if you resist.  (Or more accurately, have some one else do it)

[Balog]

IRS has their own SWAT team, actually. Just like the Dept of Education... 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

believe me i know.  i am what they call an uncooperative taxpayer.
or sometimes as an aggressive one,  depends who you ask

i figure i'll know i went too far if the door comes down.  but they can hurt you just as bad with seizing assets

[alex_trebek]

When any of those people have .gov permission to kick in your door in the middle of the night and kill you if you resist?

Don't forget shoot the dog. Fido is the ring leader, appearantly.


In all seriousness, this is the inevitable result when society tasks LEO's with enforcing morality, simultaneously loosening restriction because results are expected.

[dogmush]

believe me i know.  i am what they call an uncooperative taxpayer.
or sometimes as an aggressive one,  depends who you ask

i figure i'll know i went too far if the door comes down.  but they can hurt you just as bad with seizing assets

Now from your stories, I would have bet money that you'd been shot before.

Having BTDT, I'd rather they siezed assets then shot me. YMMV

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i tried to not get hit  been stabbed and shot at but worst i ever got was concrete and glass fragments.  there are indeed special angels that look after fools and drunks.

since i abandoned better living through modern chemistry i stopped getting arrested and folks stopped trying to hurt me, purely coincidentally

[alex_trebek]

i tried to not get hit  been stabbed and shot at but worst i ever got was concrete and glass fragments.  there are indeed special angels that look after fools and drunks.

since i abandoned better living through modern chemistry i stopped getting arrested and folks stopped trying to hurt me, purely coincidentally

Correlation =\= Causation.
 

[Tallpine]

Only one incident shown for MT, and it was a few years ago. (in Missoula)

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Correlation =\= Causation.
 

generally i'd agree in this case i think i can pitch thats its causation pretty well.

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

Yet the same police, same assets can't protect a man and his son from a mob of hundreds invading their property.

And as far as other professions,  I agree with the above statements. By all means, post a list of all the mechanics or doctors who have kicked in doors of the wrong address with .gov permission.

[RocketMan]

Yet the same police, same assets can't won't protect a man and his son from a mob of hundreds invading their property.

FTFY

[Ryan in Maine]

California - 38
Florida - 25
New York - 40
Texas - 27

 

[AZRedhawk44]

California - 38
Florida - 25
New York - 40
Texas - 27

 

Are you pointing out that conservative states like TX and FL are surprising to be in the top abusers?

I'm not.

Whether conservative or liberal... it's Authoritarian Statists that like to use no-knocks rather than proper police work.

Plenty of conservative Statists, just like liberal Statists.

[Sergeant Bob]

Are you pointing out that conservative states like TX and FL are surprising to be in the top abusers?

I'm not.

Whether conservative or liberal... it's Authoritarian Statists that like to use no-knocks rather than proper police work.

Plenty of conservative Statists, just like liberal Statists.

Amen.

[alex_trebek]

Are you pointing out that conservative states like TX and FL are surprising to be in the top abusers?

I'm not.

Whether conservative or liberal... it's Authoritarian Statists that like to use no-knocks rather than proper police work.

Plenty of conservative Statists, just like liberal Statists.

I couldn't agree more.

The biggest difference between these states is gun laws (ok one of em). I think he was indicating the folly of going all SWAT like in a neighborhood of "gun-toting rednecks."

no offense intended towards the residents of these places, elitists in large cities look at us flyover residents like that regardless of the individual circumstances.

[taurusowner]

Broad stroke painting is my favorite kind of art.

[taurusowner]

Let me ask here because it seems people are switching between two different ideas.  Are we talking about people who have the power to wrong you/others or people who have actually wronged you/others?

If we're talking about just having the power to wrong you, I need to ask, do you disagree with the concept of police?  Do you think police should not have the authority they have been given by you through your governments?  Any other gun owner legal or otherwise has just as much ability to wrong you, and likely will do so more than any cop.

Yet since, we're looking at a map of actual incidents, it seems we're talking about people who have actually wronged you/others.  Yet I bet that most of you have been wronged by an auto mechanic, and probably will in the future FAR more than you will ever be wronged by a police officer.

I ask about actual incidents and you deflect with a comment about what authority a group is given.  I ask about the authority of that group and you deflect with comments about incidents.  Pick one and make your opinions plain.

[Tallpine]

If we're talking about just having the power to wrong you, I need to ask, do you disagree with the concept of police?

 

We have far too many laws and far too many police.

Do you think police should not have the authority they have been given by you through your governments?

 

Certainly not the authority to bust down doors of residences except in a critical situation (hostage rescue, for example).

[roo_ster]

Let me ask here because it seems people are switching between two different ideas.  Are we talking about people who have the power to wrong you/others or people who have actually wronged you/others?

Good parsing.

If we're talking about just having the power to wrong you, I need to ask, do you disagree with the concept of police?  Do you think police should not have the authority they have been given by you through your governments?  Any other gun owner legal or otherwise has just as much ability to wrong you, and likely will do so more than any cop.

I do not object to LEOs, but LEOs ought to have the same authority as ordinary citizens and the reverse ought to be true.  I am not one for special classes of citizens.

You are incorrect about how any gun owner has as much ability to harm me.  LEOs have a much greater ability to harm any random citizen.  I could go into details, but do I really need to?  This one is pretty obvious.

Yet since, we're looking at a map of actual incidents, it seems we're talking about people who have actually wronged you/others.  Yet I bet that most of you have been wronged by an auto mechanic, and probably will in the future FAR more than you will ever be wronged by a police officer.

This is likely correct.  The gravity of harm, however, must be taken into account.  My favorite excoriated former SecDef posited a sort of mathematical formula that consisted of probability * gravity to rate a threat. 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

What is the point of this map?  Is it to show that we shouldn't have police capable of raiding violent criminals?  To resonate with our anti-police or anti-government fears?

What if the Brady group came up with a map showing every accidental firearms injury occurred over the years?  Would anyone here think a map like that was a compelling reason to eliminate private firearms ownership?  Heck no, we'd all be pointing out the logical fallacy of using unfortunate but inevitable human errors as a basis for condemning an otherwise useful and necessary aspect of life.

As long as humans are fallible there will be accidents involving private firearms and accidents involving police.  The fact remains that both police and RKBA are good and proper things.  And it concerns me to see graphical presentations such as this one that seem designed to appeal to emotion more so than to reason.

Let us be careful not to misuse this tool (or allow it to be misused) in this manner.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

its one of the sage/seer balko's sales tools