Author Topic: This could be bad... Congresswoman shot in head (Read 42908 times)

Battle Monkey of Zardoz · « **Reply #25 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:03:09 PM »

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Heck, it doesn;t have to even be a right-winger to be so labeled. They fellow who shot the muslim cabdriver was called a TEA partier & right winger until it was determined he was a lefty nutjob. Then, it was dropped PDQ.

Damn right. Just like the Discovery Channel nut job was dropped. Or the muslim shooter at the Little Rock MEPS station. I dont trust the media to tell me the truth. Is this a big story, sure. But unless the media can tie a right winger/Tea partier/Militia member to it. You won't hear much about it in the days to come. That's not Paranoia. That's fact.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #26 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:17:08 PM »

The truth - in the real world is that all ideologies have a violent fringe.

But the left is invested, intellectually and emotionally, in the idea that it is only the right that has a violent fringe, because right-wing ideologies - libertarianism, conservatism - etc. are inherently violent in a way the Left is supposedly not. They replay right-wing shooters over and over not - or not just - due to a deliberate plan to shout down their enemies, but because this confirms their world-view. Conversely, they downplay left-wing shooters because in their world-view these are just cases of 'lone fringe maniacs' that don't mean anything - which they don't.

MillCreek · « **Reply #27 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:29:11 PM »

We should also note that a sitting Federal Judge, appointed in 1991, was also shot and died. The Chief Judge of the Arizona Federal bench: Judge John Roll. My prayers for all those who were the victim of this senseless attack.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #28 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:44:15 PM »

shooter was a nut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4&feature=youtu.be not a lefty could be construed as many things

drewtam · « **Reply #29 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:47:04 PM »

The congresswoman is still alive and has pulled through surgery. Doctors are optimistic about survival. There is alot of misinformation out there right now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/08/AR2011010802422_2.html?hpid=topnews

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The Pima County Sheriff's office said that five others including a nine-year-old child had died, and a total of 18 people were injured.

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NPR reported that Giffords was talking to a couple outside of a local Safeway when the suspect ran up and fired indiscriminately from about four feet away. The man, described by witnesses as in his late teens or early 20s, was tackled when he tried to flee the scene. Police confirmed that a young man was in custody in connection with the shooting.

Battle Monkey of Zardoz · « **Reply #30 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:05:08 PM »

That was a very grainy YouTube video.

41magsnub · « **Reply #31 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:25:13 PM »

I watched that youtube video.. he lost me. Something about being pissed at the gov't for controlling language and that the dollar is not gold backed. I'd need to watch it several more times to try to get where he is coming from but I simply don't have the patience for it.

Kudos to the staffer that tackled him when he tried to run though!

tyme · « **Reply #32 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:27:19 PM »

Quote from: Obama

"We do not yet have all the answers," he said. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

I may be cynical, but that read to me like, "We know one answer is to ban handguns. We must maintain a free society by sacrificing freedoms I consider unnecessary, without any evidence that that sacrifice will make a positive difference either for individuals or in aggregate."

Is there any doubt that that's where his thought process is going?

I submit that "for a free society" is newspeak for "for the children."

Battle Monkey of Zardoz · « **Reply #33 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:57:38 PM »

But will they come after gun ownership, restricting or banning same? Boehner statement, IMO, was more telling. Reminded me of the "some animals are more equal" quote.

This was a senseless act. The elected critters are making it out that because one of them was hurt that this is senseless. In my world, when anyone is hurt or killed by an act such as this, it's senseless, doesn't matter what the victims "station" is.

gunsmith · « **Reply #34 on:** January 08, 2011, 06:18:56 PM »

he seems like a total loser crazy freak, dollars to donuts people who know him will say "we knew he was kind of off but we didn't think he was dangerous"
Some of his favorite books include Mein Kampf & Communist Manifesto which to me says lefty but folks will say right winger due to the Hitler book even though fascism is a derivative of socialism

Strings · « **Reply #35 on:** January 08, 2011, 06:29:58 PM »

Check out www.hillbuzz.org

Seriously, there are some... questionable... things going on...

gunsmith · « **Reply #36 on:** January 08, 2011, 06:48:05 PM »

thanks Strings-some good info there, it seems daily kos said "Gifford is dead to me" a couple of days ago due to her voting conservative, no doubt this will not be mentioned tonight on main stream news.

KD5NRH · « **Reply #37 on:** January 08, 2011, 06:50:44 PM »

Quote from: gunsmith on January 08, 2011, 06:18:56 PM

he seems like a total loser crazy freak, dollars to donuts people who know him will say "we knew he was kind of off but we didn't think he was dangerous"
Some of his favorite books include Mein Kampf & Communist Manifesto which to me says lefty but folks will say right winger due to the Hitler book even though fascism is a derivative of socialism

http://wireupdate.com/wires/13960/jared-lee-loughner-reportedly-met-with-congresswoman-giffords-before-tragic-shooting/

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 08, 2011, 06:56:43 PM »

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This could be bad...

Probably not.

The current Congress was elected on a platform of reduced government meddling. Its structure is inherently at odds with what the probable goals of pro-Authoritarians in the Senate and the Executive Office. And the pro-Authoritarians in the Senate were spanked hard and reduced in number.

The methods chosen by the House will be inherently different than those preferred by the Executive Branch or the Senate. Legislative solutions will not be forthcoming, IMO.

Executive Orders may wind up being a result, but those can't really go very far without running afoul of statutory limitations or Constitutional ones. My guess is more shenanigans during the NICS test (which doesn't apply to this situation since the shooter had a gun and was sub-21).

The government MAY use this during arguments for James D'Cruz's case.

http://www.ketknbc.com/news/why-cant-18-year-olds-buy-a-handgun

Aside from that... the House would be eaten alive for establishing more security theater or impediments to law abiding people to exercising their God-given right to be left alone from their government. They don't want to face that.

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 08, 2011, 07:03:18 PM »

A high school friend of his, Caitie Parker, says he's a lefty when it comes to politics. Pothead, high school dropout, 2012 fanatic.

He met with Gifford in 2007, and went out of his way to do so. Says to me, at least, that he's politically closer to the left than the right.

http://wireupdate.com/wires/13960/jared-lee-loughner-reportedly-met-with-congresswoman-giffords-before-tragic-shooting/

brimic · « **Reply #40 on:** January 08, 2011, 07:49:55 PM »

Well the shooter definately falls into the 'oxygen waster' category even before the shooting...

41magsnub · « **Reply #41 on:** January 08, 2011, 08:12:24 PM »

Quoting from a predominately liberal site... "I have to wonder...is this the actions of a radical tea bagger? or one lone nutball?"

"Stay classy, 2nd-Amendment-Solution people."

"*derogatory term deleted*?
Random nutjob?
Mexican drug cartel?"

"might just be one local loony who decided this was the day to go on a murder spree.

"but....I gotta wonder if the baggers were involved somehow."

"Just another terrorist attempt by the Republicans/*derogatory term deleted* whatever the fark they call themselves so they can weasel out of responsibility yet again."

freakazoid · « **Reply #42 on:** January 08, 2011, 09:10:39 PM »

^^ Sounds like real winners there.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #43 on:** January 08, 2011, 09:18:20 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on January 08, 2011, 04:44:15 PM

shooter was a nut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4&feature=youtu.be not a lefty

Time is cubed!

csdaddythatisareallypoorjudgmentcallifyouareonlygoingononemeaninglessvideoyoucanttellhispoliticalorientation

Battle Monkey of Zardoz · « **Reply #44 on:** January 08, 2011, 09:29:52 PM »

Any new info? I'm tired of reading poor reporting on this. From reports by police that shooter used a glock with an "extended clip" to he used an automatic weapon.

This oxygen thief was disturbed. From what I have read, it would be hard to label him far left or far right. Seems he was just an idiot that was bat *expletive deleted*it crazy.

Ron · « **Reply #45 on:** January 08, 2011, 10:07:00 PM »

This AP story attempts to connect this violent act with the rhetoric against the health care law.

This has to be one of the worst pieces of so called journalism I've read in a while.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110109/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot

red headed stranger · « **Reply #46 on:** January 08, 2011, 10:23:15 PM »

Thanks in part to the media and their desire to prolong the culture war and paint everything in that light, there has been a rush on both "sides" of the political fence to pin this guy as a lefty wackjob or a righty wackjob.

At this point it sounds like he was primarily an insane wackjob with a tenuous hold on reality.

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #47 on:** January 08, 2011, 10:29:11 PM »

Quote from: red headed stranger on January 08, 2011, 10:23:15 PM

Thanks in part to the media and their desire to prolong the culture war and paint everything in that light, there has been a rush on both "sides" of the political fence to pin this guy as a lefty wackjob or a righty wackjob.

You win the innernetz for today, though it is a sad innernetz.

He's really neither lefty nor righty, until some group reaches out and actually claims him and approves of him and his actions.

BridgeRunner · « **Reply #48 on:** January 08, 2011, 10:33:21 PM »

Quote from: Fistful on January 08, 2011, 09:18:20 PM

Time is cubed!

Indeed.

So far, various friends have suggested on fb that people need to be protected from conservatives and that "tea-baggers" need to be reminded not to randomly shoot large numbers of people in the head.

AJ Dual · « **Reply #49 on:** January 08, 2011, 10:59:05 PM »

And the sad truth is that the Left in America has been much more violent historically.

Union violence, the Weathermen, the SLA, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Mainly it's variations on the Robin Hood, wealth distribution, "we help people" meme, which leads them down the dangerous road of "ends justify the means" thinking.

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