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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2015, 11:08:56 PM »
I worked at McD's 93-95. The fryer oil was 100% vegetable oil, but I think the fries had beef tallow on them from the Canadian fry plant.

Ah, I think that's what the vegan's beef with the fries was.
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2015, 11:13:45 PM »
Ah, I think that's what the vegan's beef with the fries was.

I think you are correct, I do remember something about beef tallow being the source of the kvetching.
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2015, 11:51:58 PM »
Ah, I think that's what the vegan's beef with the fries was.

It wasn't vegans, Hindus had an issue with it.  IIRC of course. 

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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2015, 11:54:49 PM »
It wasn't vegans, Hindus had an issue with it.  IIRC of course. 

Well somebody who hated delicious, delicious beef by-products anyways.  :laugh:
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2015, 01:21:17 AM »
That new hamburglar looks annoying and creepy. Big fail. If they're going to bring back the Hamburglar, they should actually bring back the Hamburglar. The Hamburglar is a larcenous little kid, who just can't get enough burgers. This new hamburglar is old enough, he should get a job, and just wait in line and pay for his hamburgers like everyone else.

As for the kale and stuff, I think some are over-reacting a bit. They'll put this stuff on the menu, and three people will order it, and the rest of us will continue to get our Paunchburgers and Krusty-Partially-Gelatinated-Non-Dairy-Gum-Based-Beverages.

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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2015, 05:21:09 AM »
I worked at McD's 93-95. The fryer oil was 100% vegetable oil, but I think the fries had beef tallow on them from the Canadian fry plant. They were sliced from potatoes, but parboiled/blanched at the manufacturer.

Burgers were 100% beef, but had a high fat content.

I thought JR Simplot supplied fries to McDs. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplot
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2015, 06:16:15 AM »
It's too bad you fellers don't know what McD's fries really tasted like when they used real sliced potatoes and fried them in lard.  The burgers were actually from dead cows and had a lot of fat in the meat and cooked on a griddle in their own grease from the fat.

Mate, I got my driver's license about the time the first McDonald's opened in my home state. I know what the fries tasted like. Not really much different than they taste today. I don't know of any other chain whose fries taste as good as, let alone better than, McDonald's.
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2015, 06:18:21 AM »
Oh, and if you want a good burger at Jacknthebox, order a Big Cheeseburger, cheese only.

If you're going to hold the burger, why not just order a grilled cheese sandwich?
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2015, 06:23:06 AM »
I worked for McD's when the McDLT came out and that was a big deal for them.  Now it seems like they and everyone else is coming up with something "new" every other day.

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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2015, 06:34:22 AM »
MickyD's stopped using beef tallow in is friers in the late 1980s or early 1990s. Before that they had used a tallow and vegetable oil blend.

Some years ago they got into a big stink when it came out that they were putting some sort of beef extract on the fries during manufacture as a way of boosting the flavor. Vegans and Hindus didn't like that, and there were a bunch of lawsuits.
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2015, 06:59:17 AM »
MickyD's stopped using beef tallow in is friers in the late 1980s or early 1990s. Before that they had used a tallow and vegetable oil blend.

Some years ago they got into a big stink when it came out that they were putting some sort of beef extract on the fries during manufacture as a way of boosting the flavor. Vegans and Hindus didn't like that, and there were a bunch of lawsuits.
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2015, 07:28:09 AM »
Obvious question is why would a vegan go to MD in the first place?

Because they have friends and family that aren't vegan/vegetarian and are willing to eat at places like McDonalds if they have vegetarian options.

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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2015, 07:29:23 AM »
Obvious question is why would a vegan go to MD in the first place?

They hadn't filled their daily quota of "offended" and/or "faux outrage" yet?
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2015, 07:29:36 AM »
I thought JR Simplot supplied fries to McDs. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplot

All the fry boxes said made in Canada on them, I see Simplot has branches in Canada.

I believe McD's used made in Canada fries because of their restaurants in Canada and some of the products had to be produced domestically in Canada.
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2015, 08:01:48 AM »
Because they have friends and family that aren't vegan/vegetarian and are willing to eat at places like McDonalds if they have vegetarian options.

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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2015, 11:43:35 AM »
So brown bag it. Don't change the whole restaurant to suit you. 

The only people who changed the whole restaurant was McDonalds themselves.  They did it because they either saw a profit in doing so or they realized what they were doing was a bit disingenuous vis a vis the animal products in an otherwise vegetable-based product.

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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2015, 11:52:16 AM »
The only people who changed the whole restaurant was McDonalds themselves.  They did it because they either saw a profit in doing so or they realized what they were doing was a bit disingenuous vis a vis the animal products in an otherwise vegetable-based product.

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Or option 3, they did it so the squeaky wheel would STFU.

Lot's of stuff get ' s done in corporate America so people will take their lawyers and STFU.

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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2015, 12:07:15 PM »
1.  McDonald's fries really aren't that great.  I think it is your imagination and comparing them to fries that suck like Burger King.  They are just like most fast food places.  They are great when hot out of the fryer, but suck when they are cold.  IMO, Popeye's fries are pretty good.  So are some others, when hot.  Most of us, if honest, could find a dozen local burger joints within 100 miles that are better.  

2.  On order accuracy, I think most people would do better if they just freaking ordered burgers all the way or plain.  Everyone wants to subtract this or that and add the other.  The assembly line, minimum wage workers have trouble keeping up?  Go figure.    They take too long?  Wonder why?  It gets much worse when they start having 57 different value meals with 389 different topping combinations each.  This is fast food.  Stop expecting it to be a 4 star restaurant.  

2a.  I think many fast food places would do better by letting you top your own burgers like Fudruckers, or putting the toppings on the side like the old McDLT.  Having to build your own wouldn't be fast food I guess.  

3.  I agree on the service issue.  Even when minimum wage was much lower, it was a problem.
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2015, 12:09:19 PM »
The only people who changed the whole restaurant was McDonalds themselves.  They did it because they either saw a profit in doing so or they realized what they were doing was a bit disingenuous vis a vis the animal products in an otherwise vegetable-based product.

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I just always thought it was odd that a burger joint would cater to vegetarians at all. 
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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2015, 12:14:33 PM »
Mickey D's fries are just fine the way they make 'em now. Much better than Burger King's.

Service is where McD's has fallen flat on its corporate face. If I walk into a Burger King, there's a person at a register, ready to take an order. If they're busy, they'll have all two registers up and running. The order goes in, somebody assembles it in the kitchen, and there's another counter person to put it in the bag or on a tray for the customer. Done.

I walk into a McDonald's (any McDonald's in my area) and there's a line of four registers, one of which is nominally open, and more often than not the person logged onto the single open register is making a sundae or a Mocha Frappe Latte or something while the customers line up and get angrier and angrier because there's nobody to take an order for a simple hamburger and fries.

And +eleventy on the order accuracy. They're awful.

And then there's the issue of discontinuing the stuff people want to eat. Like the Honey-Mustard snack wrap. That was one of my go-to items when I had to eat at McDonalds. Now? Gone the way of the Dodo bird.

What the hell is kale, anyway?
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I see other places like Popeye's that has someone taking orders and someone filling orders.  That does keep things moving better.  They have a simpler menu also.
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2015, 12:32:10 PM »

2.  On order accuracy, I think most people would do better if they just freaking ordered burgers all the way or plain.  Everyone wants to subtract this or that and add the other.  The assembly line, minimum wage workers have trouble keeping up?  Go figure.    They take too long?  Wonder why?  It gets much worse when they start having 57 different value meals with 389 different topping combinations each.  This is fast food.  Stop expecting it to be a 4 star restaurant.  

IMO, joints like McDonalds, BK, etc. shouldn't even do the special order burgers. The whole point of going to them, vs a better place, is getting in and getting out. Don't want something on your burger? Take it off yourself. A guy I knew used to always do a special order with the rationale that it would get him a "fresh" burger vs one that was sitting under the heat lamp.

Part of the problem with McD level places is, I think, training, incentivizing, and the actual assembly line. At McDs, you have one person both taking orders and taking money. I can sometimes see why I get a regular coke instead of diet when I'm paying and the cashier is both counting my money and taking an order at the same time (especially a custom order).

Places like In N Out, Five Guys, etc. can do efficient and fast "custom orders" because of how they make their burgers, as well as the infrastructure of the assembly line. At In N Out, you have one person taking carside orders and another at the cashier booth. Both of them verbally confirm your order (as does the person at the pickup window, before they hand you your food).

They also seem to be able to incentivize their employees. It always impresses me that when at the cashier booth at In N Out, if the line is such that the cashier doesn't have cashier duties, I see them jump up and do other work until the line moves forward. These are almost always High School kids, and I find their motivation impressive. At McDonalds, the cashier just sits and waits until the next person pulls up.
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2015, 12:48:43 PM »
McDonalds showed up in my neighborhood around 1959 or 60.  Fries were a dime and a burger was 15 cents.
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2015, 12:54:17 PM »
McDonalds showed up in my neighborhood around 1959 or 60.  Fries were a dime and a burger was 15 cents.


Okay, I take it back - you are the only old-timer posting in this thread.  =D
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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2015, 01:20:43 PM »
I just always thought it was odd that a burger joint would cater to vegetarians at all. 

Diverse groups of people like to eat together.  Especially when it's a quick stop to grab a bite to eat while out.  I'm sure my vegetarian friend would prefer to eat elsewhere, but when she's the lone non-carnivore, she's willing to make do with just fries and a drink.

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Re: Well, That's It - McDonalds is Done
« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2015, 01:22:07 PM »
Diverse groups of people like to eat together.  Especially when it's a quick stop to grab a bite to eat while out.  I'm sure my vegetarian friend would prefer to eat elsewhere, but when she's the lone non-carnivore, she's willing to make do with just fries and a drink.

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