The problem is these people don't have ties to any one nation. Destroying a nation does nothing to stop them, but will contribute towards having more Jihadis to fight. To an extent, we're causing our own problems.
Chris
I am not advocating destroying them, but ....
I occasionally ...no, often, find these types of debates either incoherent or circular, defeatist, or just plain frustrating.
"Destroying a nation does nothing to stop them, but will contribute towards having more Jihadis to fight. To an extent, we're causing our own problems." Okay, without trying to read too much into this (which may be impossible from my position) my thoughts on reading this become; "OK. What do we do. We can kill them....and that stops
them, but apparantly it only creates more of them. So do we stop? I don't think they're going to stop then, I think they'll continue their jihad very happily. Someone has to oppose them & stop them because they aren't going STOP by themselves."
I am struck by the fact that we have a lot of people on our side who keep saying that we shouldn't do A, B. C, or --whatever-- because it will only be used by the Jihadis to encourage others into the fight on their side.
You
NEVER of any argument being made on the other side (or if it is I am blissfully ignorant of it) that goes;
"we better not send terrorists to America and better not commandeer four aircraft and better NOT kill 2973 human beings because it will only swell the ranks of the 101st airborne, create more U.S. Navy Seal Teams, create a larger Infantry, cause the Americans to build more bombers, cause American citizens to buy guns and ammo and other supplies for responding to local attacks ...."Why?
Are we caught in some nightmare where winning is impossible? What gives?
During WW2 many thought the Wehrmacht were ten feet tall. They weren't. The Germans were scary. They initially had more experience than we did, had better equipment. But we outfought and outproduced them. We marched toward Berlin; and as the Nazis faced obliteration they forcibly recruited children and old men and hand them a rifle and told them to "kill an American" or a panzerfaust and told them "blow upo an American tank." We didn't whine and yell
"we're only creating more nazis!!!!" we just killed them, blew them up, and marched on toward Berlin again. And we won.
What the
$%$%^#%^#))(#&#%# HAS HAPPENED TO US!!!!!!!!!!Or have I lost my mind? Or am I missing something? I don't know; I don't think so as I haven't really seen it articulated well.
Do we throw in the towel, or fight?
Maybe I should be concerned about what Obama thinks is going on. We're now down to "man-caused disasters." They're not "terrorist attacks" anymore.
If we hadn't fought the war in such a dastardly PC way, we might have been through by now, and maybe half the civil rights abridgements would never have had time to be implemented. But no, we accidently bomb an Afghani wedding and wring our wrists and apologize and whine....some scumbag soldiers do **** at Abu Ghraib and we whine about civil rights, and Julien Assange publishes his maniacal diatribe and we find out how many innocent Iraqis actually were killed .... or so we're supposed to believe .....
Yet we bombed the
TURKEY GIZZARDS out of Dresden Germany and Curtis LeMay bombed Tokyo into a cinder and thousands of "innocent civilians" died....and yet that was part of war.
Sorry about the rant. But sometimes I wonder what people think war is. I sometimes wonder if anyone really believes we can lose this war. Lose against a bunch of terrorists? Hey, the Vietnamese weren't a world power in the 1960s-70s and we lost against them,
BECAUSE WE LOST THE WAR HERE, AT HOME.
Yes, history can repeat itself.
But, it will be more expensive the next time.......................................