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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2011, 03:03:34 PM »
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If I'm being forced at gunpoint to feed other people's children, they should be getting fed appropriate foods.  Fattening the little bastards up is just going to lead to more expenses for the taxpayer down the road.

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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2011, 03:05:42 PM »
Back when we were still married, and even afterwards, I would go into the schools and try the food and say howdy to the staff.  It is not gourmet by any means, but not that bad.  Even elementary schools have salad bars and the like.  Of note, the most popular menu is the one that has chicken nuggets, tater tots, corn an apple and a cookie.  The schools no longer have deep fryers, so the nuggets and tots are baked, the corn is a frozen USDA commodity and the cookie is high fiber and has prune puree in it to reduce fats and sugar.  And I have to say that the cooks and staff that I knew took pride in producing as good food as possible consistent with the financial and equipment limitations.  Because of the mandate to reduce labor costs as much as possible, they could not do as much scratch cooking as they would have liked.

It was amazing to me how politicized the program was.  Primarily at the national level, where the USDA is lobbied to include or require various foods to be on the commodity program.  If you are Tyson or Archer Daniels Midland, you want the government to be buying your products for the school lunch program and other institutional use.  And boy, do they spend the money on lobbyists and members of Congress to ensure this happens.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2011, 04:48:58 PM »
The argument begins and ends with your first clause.


Oh I agree and fully support ending all forms of welfare.  But its not like I can just wave a magic wand and end it tomorrow.  So if there is free and subsidized lunches, they should be healthy. 
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2011, 04:51:08 PM »
i hear ya.  that said feeding kids is amongst the least objectionable forms.  i just wish i dodn't see those kids parents driving niceer wheels than me and wearing better clothes and carrying i phones
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2011, 04:56:17 PM »
I was always sad when my ex told me stories about how for so many kids, the free school breakfast and lunch would be the only meals they would have all day.  And this is in a fairly affluent suburb north of Seattle.  Pockets of poverty are everywhere.
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« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2011, 04:58:15 PM »
when i drove cab in montgomery county md we had a contract to haul kids to counseling etc.  you'd be amazed at some of the kids we hauled from some assistance program home to what seemed to me a mansion.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2011, 05:20:40 PM »
i hear ya.  that said feeding kids is amongst the least objectionable forms.  i just wish i dodn't see those kids parents driving niceer wheels than me and wearing better clothes and carrying i phones

I developed a whole new attitude towards "poverty" after working in a housing project for a summer.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2011, 05:22:21 PM »
FTR, I get tired of being lectured on nutrition by a First Lady with an *expletive deleted*ss as wide as an ox cart.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2011, 05:24:07 PM »
On Sunday, we went down to the Seattle waterfront to catch the ferry over Puget Sound.  We walked by a group of men on the sidewalk with cardboard signs soliciting donations: "disabled homeless combat veteran needs money for food and medicine".  As we walked past, I was struck by how all of them were smoking commercially-made cigarettes and had cell phones.  Huh.
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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2011, 07:41:18 PM »
I developed a whole new attitude towards "poverty" after working in a housing project for a summer.

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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2011, 07:44:13 PM »
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Hey give him a break -- he was just jealous of all the Escalades parked out front. :P  =D
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2011, 08:22:29 PM »
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An average school lunch runs under $3.  Whens the last time you got a meal for under $3?  Or hell, even fed a school aged child for that much?

I got a meal for $3 [12 shekels] this morning. It was an omelette, a sandwich, and some salad.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2011, 09:04:12 PM »
What's the general income tax rate in Israel?  How much does gasoline cost?
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2011, 09:22:15 PM »
I got a meal for $3 [12 shekels] this morning. It was an omelette, a sandwich, and some salad.

I'm lucky if I get a meal for under $15 of any kind unless it's fast food (that's around $10).

School lunches make money for schools and cost less than commercia meals!?  That's unpossible; government is inefficient
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2011, 09:42:56 PM »
I'm lucky if I get a meal for under $15 of any kind unless it's fast food (that's around $10).

School lunches make money for schools and cost less than commercia meals!?  That's unpossible; government is inefficient

Which is why the meals are outsourced, nowadays.  Like they are at the public school across the street from my house and the private school I send my kids to.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2011, 10:11:50 PM »
Which is why the meals are outsourced, nowadays.  Like they are at the public school across the street from my house and the private school I send my kids to.

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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2011, 10:30:25 PM »
I'm lucky if I get a meal for under $15 of any kind unless it's fast food (that's around $10).

Where I am, fast food is much closer to $5 per meal. $10 would be "quick service," like Panera or Quiznos.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2011, 10:37:03 PM »
$1 Filet-O-Fish sandwiches every Friday at McDonalds. Also Costco has giant hot dogs or slices of pizza with a free refill drink for like two bucks. If I were homeless, I'd live in front of the Costco, or beg for enough money for a membership so I could fill up on free samples of all the gourmet food they always give the free samples of... thereto.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2011, 10:39:31 PM »
I can see a school being able to feed kids a lunch for $3 each by buying in bulk.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2011, 10:50:07 PM »
$1 Filet-O-Fish sandwiches every Friday at McDonalds.

Yeah, you could definitely get a meal for $3 or less, at a lot of fast food joints.
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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2011, 10:53:22 PM »
I'm lucky if I get a meal for under $15 of any kind unless it's fast food (that's around $10).

Uh?

How do you manage that? Do you mean restaurant meals?

For $15 - that's 60 shekels or so - I can get a very, very decent restaurant meal.

Is Australia suffering from some crazy food shortages?
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2011, 11:28:29 PM »
I can see a school being able to feed kids a lunch for $3 each by buying in bulk.

Actually, the secret is that the school lunch program gets large amounts of free or very inexpensive government commodities.  They still have to buy food and supplies that are not commodities, and they usually get those from the commercial suppliers like Sysco.  So all those crops and farm products that the government pays farmers to grow, as a form of corporate welfare or crop supports, get made into commodities and provided to government feeding programs, food banks, and the like.  Lots and lots of cheese, dried milk products, vegetables, flour and fruits.  The biggest problem is that you cannot predict the supply.  The government may want to get rid of thousands of tons of canned applesauce, when you really wanted peaches, but cannot get them as a commodity.  

PS: here is the current NSLP USDA food commodity list: http://www.fns.usda.gov/fdd/foods/SY12-schfoods.pdf

PPS: my ex tells me that the most popular vegetable is raw broccoli with fat-free ranch dressing for dipping.  She says that the kids just inhale that, from elementary to high school.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2011, 11:33:24 PM »
$1 Filet-O-Fish sandwiches every Friday at McDonalds. Also Costco has giant hot dogs or slices of pizza with a free refill drink for like two bucks. If I were homeless, I'd live in front of the Costco, or beg for enough money for a membership so I could fill up on free samples of all the gourmet food they always give the free samples of... thereto.

My game plan, for feeding myself if I become homeless, is to dress up in a suit with a 'Hello, my name is' badge.  I then go downtown to the major hotels and the convention center.  I go up to the meeting floors and feed myself on the snack and meal displays for the conventions and meetings.  If anyone asks, I am Bill from Cedar Rapids, and this is my first convention here in Seattle.  If you look halfway decent, you could pull this off easily.
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2011, 12:26:02 AM »
I developed a whole new attitude towards "poverty" after working in a housing project for a summer.

Mind sharing your thoughts?  I'm curious.  I tend to stay away from housing projects for obvious reasons, and wouldn't mind learning more.  Could start a new thread if it's off topic.


As for a meal for $15, for $9 I can get a full meal the size of a turkey platter from the diner down the street.  Including a side of bacon.  For a trip to the grocery store, for $15, I could buy enough to feed myself (healthily, mind you, not just ramen) for a week. 
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Re: L.A. Unified Bans Flavored Milk
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2011, 02:27:15 AM »
Which is why the meals are outsourced, nowadays.  Like they are at the public school across the street from my house and the private school I send my kids to.

I'd be interested in a performance comparison between outsourced lunches and in-house programs, like Millcreek described.  Any info on that MC?

Australia has high consumer prices.
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