NRA Prediction Thread

[Ben]

IOW, private sales?

Well, we know that, but I think they think there's a difference between gun shows and other private party sales. I could be wrong, but if they look at ONLY gun shows, I see that as something the NRA might sacrifice to protect other areas.

[RoadKingLarry]

Except the "gun show loop hole" includes not only private sales but also Grandpa passing his collection to the grand kids. Dad passing the Garand to his daughter or Mom willing her 1st gen Colt SAA to her son.

[toysoldier]

We need to begin with the realization that the left considers people like us insane. This is just Sovietism brought up-to-date.

This is just as dangerous as any potential gun ban. "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" :

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

[Hawkmoon]

Except the "gun show loop hole" includes not only private sales but also Grandpa passing his collection to the grand kids. Dad passing the Garand to his daughter or Mom willing her 1st gen Colt SAA to her son.

Not quite. Bequests are exempt from transfer requirements. No FFL needed for the executor of a will to transfer bequests to the nominal heir, even across state lines.

Of course, if the state of residence of the heir has draconian laws in place (NY, NJ, CA), that's a separate question.

[kgbsquirrel]

Not quite. Bequests are exempt from transfer requirements. No FFL needed for the executor of a will to transfer bequests to the nominal heir, even across state lines.

Of course, if the state of residence of the heir has draconian laws in place (NY, NJ, CA), that's a separate question.

What about giving my (future) son a .22 for his birthday?

[Fitz]

What about my grandpa giving me his garand?

[Perd Hapley]

Well, we know that, but I think they think there's a difference between gun shows and other private party sales. I could be wrong, but if they look at ONLY gun shows, I see that as something the NRA might sacrifice to protect other areas.

So a measure to ban private sales within (or within x feet of) a gunshow? Interesting. I guess that might not be a full retard move. 

[Hawkmoon]

What about my grandpa giving me his garand?

That's not a bequest. That's a gift, subject to normal transfer regulations.

If he leaves it to you in his will, then it's a bequest and exempt from normal transfer regulations.

[Perd Hapley]

That's not a bequest. That's a gift, subject to normal transfer regulations.

Huh? Are you saying that gifts require an FFL transfer now, or do you speak hypothetically?

[AJ Dual]

Huh? Are you saying that gifts require an FFL transfer now, or do you speak hypothetically?

Across state lines. That's the missing caveat in what he said. You can inherit/bequest across state lines without an FFL, assuming the items are legal in the receiver's state. Although that has nothing to do with the FFL status. If you try to FFL an item that's illegal in your state, you still obviously can't have it by state law anyway.

This is because bequests/inheritance are not "commerce" and as such does not come under the GCA 68's authority from the Interstate Commerce Clause of the Constitution.

You cannot gift a firearm across state lines without an FFL. Gifts are "commerce" I guess.

In-state is up to your local state regulations, which vary, but the ATF fed.gov has no say in it because it does not have ICC authority either.

[Perd Hapley]

Oh, OK, thanks.

You cannot gift a firearm across state lines without an FFL. Gifts are "commerce" I guess.

More like commerce is easily disguised as gifts.

[Tallpine]

But, you still have to be adjudicated, in front of a judge and with access to legal counsel.   At least for now.

In Michigan, they hold "court" right in the facility, with one of their own MH "professionals" as the "judge" 

[Hawkmoon]

Huh? Are you saying that gifts require an FFL transfer now, or do you speak hypothetically?

They do if it's an interstate transfer. I thought that's what was being asked about.

[kgbsquirrel]

They do if it's an interstate transfer. I thought that's what was being asked about.

We're talking about the hypothetical situation of private face to face transfers becoming verboten. You know. That "gun show loophole."

[Jamisjockey]

We're talking about the hypothetical situation of private face to face transfers becoming verboten. You know. That "gun show loophole."

I'm still predicting the NRA will roll right over on this. 

[SteveS]

In Michigan, they hold "court" right in the facility, with one of their own MH "professionals" as the "judge" 

They do?  I have represented people at guardianship hearings and they have always been at a probate court. 

[Fitz]

I'm still predicting the NRA will roll right over on this. 

Yep

Depending on how they respond today, i'll either get a membership or write them a letter telling them they're traitors

[slingshot]

NRA did not "roll over" and recommended that armed guards be positioned in each and every school in the country.  La Pierre indicated there is a lot of time to debate the merits of whatever regulations or control measures are proposed.

[Tallpine]

They do?  I have represented people at guardianship hearings and they have always been at a probate court. 

This wasn't a guardianship hearing, it was for continued hospitalization.

I wasn't there, and I'm not sure of the legal qualification but they called it a hearing and a judge.   

[Perd Hapley]

Statement from the NRA.

http://home.nra.org/iphone.aspx

Calling for "an" armed guard in every school. Doesn't seem like that good a plan to me, but they aren't caving.

[RocketMan]

The NRA didn't cave, but the armed guard response wasn't particularly useful, either.

[Fitz]

La Pierre indicated there is a lot of time to debate the merits of whatever regulations or control measures are proposed.

"we're not caving now. Now we're scraping up what members we can. the betrayal will come LATER"

[kgbsquirrel]

Watching the video now at the C-span archive. Cue codepink moron. "The violence starts with the NRA!"

ETA: Glad I'm not the only one cynically reading between the lines.

ETA2: Aaaand there he goes about the violent video games and movies. Profiling a 10 year old flash game as if it's the source of the evil.

[charby]

"we're not caving now. Now we're scraping up what members we can. the betrayal will come LATER"

Actually I think they have learned their lesson. The NRA was a big help in getting Iowa to shall issue on carry permits.

[kgbsquirrel]

And there goes a second codepink idiot trying to crash the press conference. You know, if you guys are watching an edited and condensed version I really suggest the full c-span archive version instead. 32 minutes long, and you get to see some of the really far out whack jobs there.