Marine Father ordered to pay Fred Phelps court fees

[280plus]

If'n I was the Dad I'd send the SOB no more than $10 a month forever. An attempt to pay is an attempt to pay.

[Jim147]

If'n I was the Dad I'd send the SOB no more than $10 a month forever. An attempt to pay is an attempt to pay.

Wasn't the Legion picking up the tab? If so I think $1.00 a month would be a good amount.

I don't know if it has changed but Kansas law used to read that if you sent a hospital or doctor $1.00 a month they could never send you to collections. Healthcare reform may have killed that. But I think it should work for the tax exempt lawyers (can't say what I really think) that he was ordered to pay.

I have tried not to post much on this one due to personal experience with this group. Megan is a lovely twisted soul and Fred's gay son has a lot of things to say about his father.

jim

[280plus]

Wasn't the Legion picking up the tab? If so I think $1.00 a month would be a good amount. 

Yea true, I guess I forgot to remember that part. 

 

Fred's gay son

I do believe we may have found the source of Fred's anger. I never cease to be amazed by such closed minds.

"Said hey old man how can you stand
To think that way
Did you really think about it
Before you made the rules
He said, Son

That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
But don't you believe them" - Bruce Hornsby

[280plus]

Did those pieces of crap actually show at the funerals looking to protest?

[zxcvbob]

Hasn't the SC ruled that "fighting words" is a class of speech not protected under the 1st Amendment?

[Brad Johnson]

Zombie thread!

Brad

[Jamisjockey]

I'm thinking spammer.  Killing the zombie.

[KD5NRH]

Killing the zombie.

It takes a headshot, you know.   

[Bogie]

Free speech is protected under the first amendment, right?
 
Demonstrations are free speech, right?
 
Who here would like to see a trebuchet demonstrated?
 
With a piano?
 
If it hits the roof of the "church," then that's an act of God, right?
 
I think we'll need a legal ruling beforehand.
 

[280plus]

If it hits the roof of the "church," then that's an act of God, right?

I say it depends if you were aiming at the church to start with. Which, of course, you weren't, the thing just took an unexpected trajectory, had to be God. 

[sanglant]

remember the news stories about planes dropping "stuff", and one hit a house.

[BlueStarLizzard]

For a change, i'm enjoying the zombie thread because I missed it first time around and I want to ask a question... Skidmark, I am comfused. You said that 'fighting words' covers words that may incite violence but you say that these wbc arn't even though those words incited a riot on at least one occasion and seem to intentially be trying to again? 

[Doggy Daddy]

There's no sense to be made of Phred Felps.

DD

[280plus]

Yea, better to make dog food out of him.

[Doggy Daddy]

Whatchoo got against dawgs?   

DD

[gunsmith]

as evil as the phelps clan is, they're not crazy.
they do this to generate money by bringing lawsuits, imo when ppl show up
& start beating the crap out of them ( without getting caught ) they'll stop.
 it needs a ppl solution, not a gov't one.
when they die I hope to picket their funeral if I can.

[zxcvbob]

when ppl show up & start beating the crap out of them (without getting caught) they'll stop.
 it needs a ppl solution, not a gov't one. [emphasis added]

Exactly right.

[Bogie]

Sooner or later, they're going to pick some small town, and they'll show up, and there won't be a uniformed cop within five miles. Just a buncha bubbas with softball bats, bandanna masks, and no plates on their pickups. Sometimes justice is ugly.

[Jim147]

Sooner or later, they're going to pick some small town, and they'll show up, and there won't be a uniformed cop within five miles. Just a buncha bubbas with softball bats, bandanna masks, and no plates on their pickups. Sometimes justice is ugly.

I've dealt with them twice. Once in Witchita and once in KC. I wish they would find a reason to come to my town. LE is 28 miles away. And we have a lot of old strip pits around here.

jim

 

[Bogie]

I hope they don't have a reason to come to your town, but if that should happen, I am sure that nobody would miss 'em.

[KD5NRH]

Sooner or later, they're going to pick some small town, and they'll show up, and there won't be a uniformed cop within five miles. Just a buncha bubbas with softball bats, bandanna masks, and no plates on their pickups.

And banjos?

[280plus]

That could be Westboro's motto, "If you hear banjos, RUN!!"

[vaskidmark]

For a change, i'm enjoying the zombie thread because I missed it first time around and I want to ask a question... Skidmark, I am comfused. You said that 'fighting words' covers words that may incite violence but you say that these wbc arn't even though those words incited a riot on at least one occasion and seem to intentially be trying to again? 

Sorry for the delay - I've just looked at this zombie thread.

"Fighting words" are words designed to provoke action: "Let's kill them!" or "Hanging's too good for her!" or "Are you going to let him get away with that?  Somebody ought to do something to make sure he pays!"  More examples of what are close to fighting words are being written by several of our own folks.

WBC has a history of being on the receiving end of fighting words, as opposed to uttering them.  WBC pushes buttons.  They are provocative, but I would not call any of their signs or utterances provoking - differences in meaning that a jury might be confused over until a good lawyer explained it to them.

Pushing peoples' buttons is not a Good Idea^TM but the way WBC does it is not illegal.  Those whose buttons were pushed to the point of mob violence (read your state's laws - no actual blows need be struck to commit the crime) reacted illegally.

Just for clarification, I'm not in support of WBC and what they are doing.  However, I am adamantly opposed to prior censorship of them or any other speaker - especially if the censorship is just because the majority dislikes the message being delivered.  That is one camel's nose that I will beat back - and I admit those are fighting words.

stay safe.

[280plus]

While I agree with you in principal on the 1st amendment I have to wonder if the 9th doesn't supersede it in a situation such as this. The 9th states that your rights are innumerable. They are infinite. Therefore, under the 9th you have the right to take extreme offense to what they are doing and also have the right to beat them for it. Under the 9th they have the right to defend themselves whether it be physically or legally.

In other words, this is a free country, you are free to do whatever you want up to and including murder. Society, however, has the right to demand that you pay consequences for your actions up to and including death.

or, you have the right to take them out but once you exercise that right you have forfeited all your freedom and probably assets for some period of time. The question then becomes, "Is it worth it to you?"

Then I guess you have the right to resist the govs attempts tio incarcerate or extinguish you.

Long live the revolution!! (We really need a smiliy shooting in the air for this one) Disclaimer, this line is tongue in cheek the rest really isn't, on principal anyways.