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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2012, 09:41:23 AM »
Even my wife, the fifth-grade teacher, LOLd at this.

My wife is currently working on her teaching degree and I have a lot of friends that are teachers or have been teachers, to include staying in contact with some of my own high school teachers even after 25-26 years.
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2012, 09:50:52 AM »
Even my wife, the fifth-grade teacher, LOLd at this.

My wife, the fifth-grade teacher, was ready to string her from the nearest tree....I'm not sure how she'd react if she found out that one of he co-teachers had done the same thing....hypothetically, of course....
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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2012, 10:19:37 AM »
My favorite comment on that manufactured $1000/year contraceptive-using G-town law student kerfluffle:
If I claimed excessive & unreasonable costs for my food consumption and wanted a third party to pay for all I consume, can I get all butthurt if someone calls me a glutton?

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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2012, 10:46:49 AM »
My favorite comment on that manufactured $1000/year contraceptive-using G-town law student kerfluffle:
If I claimed excessive & unreasonable costs for my food consumption and wanted a third party to pay for all I consume, can I get all butthurt if someone calls me a glutton?

Sure. If that's what floats your boat.

I don't define my strength in terms of how much I don't respond when jackasses attempt to devalue me and anything I may stand for through name-calling.

I don't find that being a compliant targe for sexually-based jackassery does much other than allow jackassery to perpetuate itself unchecked.

Profound logical ownage though, I derive some satisfaction from.

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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2012, 11:52:37 AM »
My neighbors are all very strict Baptists. If I were in a porn video (there's a scary thought) and one of them saw me, who would be the guiltier: me, for having been in the video, or the neighbor, for having watched it?

If they gouged out their eyes I guess you would know.
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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2012, 12:23:23 PM »

sexually-based jackassery does much other than allow jackassery

Funny how that is an equally apt description of Fluke's whining about her health care plan, Rush's insults, and Obama's policy toward Catholic institutions.
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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2012, 12:48:46 PM »
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If I claimed excessive & unreasonable costs for my food consumption and wanted a third party to pay for all I consume, can I get all butthurt if someone calls me a glutton?

 :facepalm:

Uhhg. You do realize some women take birth control for reasons other than preventing birth right? Its a medication that functions on multiple  levels. One of my friends in middle school was prescribed birth control in middle school!!!! Was she a whore? No, shes anemic and had really long periods, combined with a heavy flow left her light headed and unable to do much without passing out. Going on birth control helped solve that problem.

With the way this debate has been framed as "sluts" wanting someone else to pay for them having sex, I wonder if more guys don't know this.

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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2012, 01:20:33 PM »
:facepalm:

Uhhg. You do realize some women take birth control for reasons other than preventing birth right? Its a medication that functions on multiple  levels. One of my friends in middle school was prescribed birth control in middle school!!!! Was she a whore? No, shes anemic and had really long periods, combined with a heavy flow left her light headed and unable to do much without passing out. Going on birth control helped solve that problem.

With the way this debate has been framed as "sluts" wanting someone else to pay for them having sex, I wonder if more guys don't know this.


Yes, I do, but Fluke was asking for contraceptives, not hormone control. In either case, she was asking for someone else to pay for her health care costs.

As to the OP, I have no problem with this.  Her body, her time. Now, if the school wants to fire her for presenting a bad image to students, or for bad acting, that is fine, too, but the school better hold other teachers to the same standard.
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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2012, 01:44:21 PM »
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Yes, I do, but Fluke was asking for contraceptives, not hormone control.


Do they have a pill that only affects hormones for women going through PMDD? I only did a quick google search but only found combination hormone and birth control pills. Saw a few hits for hormone therapy but that appears to be for women going through menopause. In relation to my anemic friend I don't think hormone pills wouldn't have helped her, her doc told her she needed to go on birth control.


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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2012, 02:04:50 PM »


Do they have a pill that only affects hormones for women going through PMDD? I only did a quick google search but only found combination hormone and birth control pills. Saw a few hits for hormone therapy but that appears to be for women going through menopause. In relation to my anemic friend I don't think hormone pills wouldn't have helped her, her doc told her she needed to go on birth control.

Alright, since you seem determined to derail the post, I'll bite.

So, how many of the hormonal contraceptive users have it prescribed for something other than birth control? I must assume since you not only have brought it up, but repeated your objection that it must be a significant number. 50%? 25%? Even 10%?

Secondly, what other medicine is offered at no cost to insured individuals? My father's blood pressure medicine that helps keep him alive? Nope. My mothers diabetes supplies? Nope. My wife's thyroid medication? Nope. (That's right a HORMONAL PILL and we still have to pay for it. Oh, it too, helps keep her alive.)

Thirdly, if birth control is so prohibitively expensive that individuals must be sheltered from ANY expense towards their cost, why isn't the government giving it away?

Fourth, if you have realized that the government and other places actually DO give away birth control, why must a religious employer be required to pay for it in contravention of their own doctrine?

Fifth, if I make an outrageous claim to prohibitive costs for sexual activity that would require me to have sex an average of three times per day, every day for 3 years in order to match those costs, I am either a liar or a slut. Rush must have believed her to be an honest slut, rather than a lying one.
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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2012, 02:09:46 PM »
My wife was prescribed birth control pills in jr high for non-contraceptive purposes (I've known her since HS). 

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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2012, 02:16:46 PM »
My wife, the fifth-grade teacher, was ready to string her from the nearest tree....I'm not sure how she'd react if she found out that one of he co-teachers had done the same thing....hypothetically, of course....

The thing that made my wife laugh was teaching as a side gig since porn star did not pay enough.  My wife is making good money now, but beginning teachers in her district start at around $ 34 K, I think.
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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2012, 03:01:09 PM »
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Uhhg. You do realize some women take birth control for reasons other than preventing birth right? Its a medication that functions on multiple  levels. One of my friends in middle school was prescribed birth control in middle school!!!! Was she a whore? No, shes anemic and had really long periods, combined with a heavy flow left her light headed and unable to do much without passing out. Going on birth control helped solve that problem.

With the way this debate has been framed as "sluts" wanting someone else to pay for them having sex, I wonder if more guys don't know this.

It has also already been shown in the last week or more than birth control pills alone are fairly cheap and come no where near the cost the leftists were harping about. 
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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2012, 03:02:07 PM »
Is it okay to call Porn Stars Sluts?



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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2012, 03:04:21 PM »
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/teacher-stars-in-porn-768912
The original article seemed to imply it was only one movie or so, but this indicates it was more of a 2nd career. 
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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2012, 03:23:59 PM »
:facepalm:

Uhhg. You do realize some women take birth control for reasons other than preventing birth right? Its a medication that functions on multiple  levels. One of my friends in middle school was prescribed birth control in middle school!!!! Was she a whore? No, shes anemic and had really long periods, combined with a heavy flow left her light headed and unable to do much without passing out. Going on birth control helped solve that problem.

With the way this debate has been framed as "sluts" wanting someone else to pay for them having sex, I wonder if more guys don't know this.

If the Occupy Georgetown movement was trying to get "birth control" drugs merely for the side effects, they've done a horrible job of getting out their message. Either that, or the media is making this into a birth control debate, just for the sensationalism. These possibilities are a better target for your face-palming.

FWIW, I don't understand the slut charges either (which have been much more widespread than the Limbaugh program, BTW). I thought most birth control products women used were the same price regardless of how often they are needed (pill, diaphragm, etc).

The most important point, however, is that anyone needing a specific medical product or service should know better than to depend on an organization that famously (or infamously) opposes that product or service. When they choose to depend on that organization, they should know better than to expect public sympathy. Which is not to say they should expect to be called sluts or hookers. "Idiot" would have been just fine. 
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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2012, 03:24:46 PM »
My wife was prescribed birth control pills in jr high for non-contraceptive purposes (I've known her since HS).  

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Prescribed by a doctor for the purposes of treating an existing medical condition with negative health effects if not treated.

Not "prescribed by a doctor for the purposes of birth control, which purpose can also be achieved via non-prescription methods at little to no cost from multiple sources, thus making the pill in such cases an absolutely elective choice."

Why is that such a hard distinction to acknowledge (not for you in particular, in general)?

For the same reasons I'd support restricting Viagra (sydinafil citra-whatsis, et al.) coverage to use for diagnosed blood pressure problems or ED consequences due to prostrate surgery, use of anti-depressents, or other bona fide medical conditions; not for silver-haired dudes who just "need a little help in the bedroom."

In Wisconsin, (some) doctors were issuing "sick notes" to protestors to protect their jobs as they elected to take unapproved time off to go protest.  They also issued "sick notes" to people who were genuinely sick.  It was the intent and supporting medical evidence of the "sick note prescription" that controlled whether they were accepted and "covered" by the employer's time-off policy.

These aren't difficult distinctions to make in an insurance policy.
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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2012, 03:47:12 PM »
Does anyone know whether the Catholic Church makes the distinction between elective and not-so-elective birth control? You'd think the media would have looked into that and reported one way or the other. I'll presume they have, and that I just haven't seen it.
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« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2012, 04:02:33 PM »
Does anyone know whether the Catholic Church makes the distinction between elective and not-so-elective birth control? You'd think the media would have looked into that and reported one way or the other. I'll presume they have, and that I just haven't seen it.

Intent matters.  Among other things the Catholic church distinguishes between elective homicide (murder) and non-elective homicide (justifiable self-defense) and, I-believe-but-would-have-to-check-further-but-here's-a-quick-google, allows for the indirect death of a fetus if it results from an attempt to legitimately save the life of the mother.

"First, while the Church opposes all direct abortions, it does not condemn procedures which result, indirectly, in the loss of the unborn child as a "secondary effect." For example, if a mother is suffering an ectopic pregnancy (a baby is developing in her fallopian tube, not the womb), a doctor may remove the fallopian tube as therapeutic treatment to prevent the mother—s death. The infant will not survive long after this, but the intention of the procedure and its action is to preserve the mother—s life. It is not a direct abortion." - http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac0898.asp

The Jesuits are huge on logical consistency so I would feel confident stating that "hormone pills prescribed for a medical condition" that happen to have an unavoidable "secondary effect" of infertility (BC) would be equally doctrinally acceptable.

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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2012, 04:03:41 PM »
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So, how many of the hormonal contraceptive users have it prescribed for something other than birth control? I must assume since you not only have brought it up, but repeated your objection that it must be a significant number. 50%? 25%? Even 10%?

Secondly, what other medicine is offered at no cost to insured individuals? My father's blood pressure medicine that helps keep him alive? Nope. My mothers diabetes supplies? Nope. My wife's thyroid medication? Nope. (That's right a HORMONAL PILL and we still have to pay for it. Oh, it too, helps keep her alive.)

Thirdly, if birth control is so prohibitively expensive that individuals must be sheltered from ANY expense towards their cost, why isn't the government giving it away?

Fourth, if you have realized that the government and other places actually DO give away birth control, why must a religious employer be required to pay for it in contravention of their own doctrine?

Apparently you took my questions as my support for Obama's plan. I didn't say anywhere that I support Obama's plan as is; I just don't like how this debate has been framed, as sluts vs the religious; and as per your word choice I'd assume you bought into that dichotomy. Do you even know what Ms. Fluke was testifying about or do you just take Rush's words for it?

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“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.
“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be.
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“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy.
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“Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result.
“On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she was sitting in a doctor’s office, trying to cope with the consequences of this medical catastrophe.
“Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats and weight gain and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32-years-old.
“As she put it, ‘If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no choice at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies simply because the insurance policy that I paid for, totally unsubsidized by my school, wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.’

Nothing about her testimony is about preventing birth, her friend need the medication to prevent cancerous cysts from forming. That's what I'm concerned about. Women who have a medical need to birth control having their employer deem they cannot have what is medically necessary over religious convictions.

To answer your first question more than 3 million people in the United States have anemia. Women and people with chronic diseases are at the greatest risk for anemia. Polycystic ovarian syndrome affects as many as 5 million women in the United States may be affected and it can occur in girls as young as 11 years old. Premenstrual dysphoric disorder affects 3-8% of women in their reproductive years. Which is between 4,302,000 - 11,472,000 women in the US.

So based on some quick math (correct me if I'm wrong) 10,802,000 - 17,972,000 women in America are afflicted with three diseases or
disorders that birth control may be prescribed for. That's 7.5 - 12.5% of the entire female population of America (based off 2000 census 143.4m women in America). That's only the numbers for the three afflictions that I know of that birth control may be prescribed for, so the total numbers may be much higher depending what else birth control is prescribed for not including preventing child birth.

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Fifth, if I make an outrageous claim to prohibitive costs for sexual activity that would require me to have sex an average of three times per day, every day for 3 years in order to match those costs, I am either a liar or a slut. Rush must have believed her to be an honest slut, rather than a lying one.

It's obvious you didn't listen or read a word of Ms. Flukes actual testimony and solely based your beliefs off what Rush says. First off you don't take birth control every time you have sex, you take it once a day. You do know that right? It wouldn't matter how much sex Ms. Fluke was having (if that was relevant) to the cost of her birth control. Second I keep hearing from the cost of condoms vs the cost of the pill. It doesn't matter a bit, its about a necessary medication not preventing birth.

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Re: Teacher moonlighting as porn star.....
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2012, 04:10:46 PM »
It has also already been shown in the last week or more than birth control pills alone are fairly cheap and come no where near the cost the leftists were harping about. 

It depends on which pills you are talking about. For various reasons, a woman may not be able to be able to take one of the cheap generics.  Additionally, depending on the pill that is prescribed by a Dr, additional Dr appointments and lab work may be necessary.  

Of course this is all beside the point.  The right has screwed up the message on this one. They needed to just stick to the story of how it is wrong for the government to coerce a religious group to support/subsidize behavior that they believe to be sinful.  Doubling down with all the slut rhetoric is counterproductive.  


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« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2012, 04:12:42 PM »
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It has also already been shown in the last week or more than birth control pills alone are fairly cheap and come no where near the cost the leftists were harping about.  

I'm not an expert but I've been told the generic cheap stuff doesn't help with many of the other medical reasons women take the pill for. Yes it will stop pregnancy but it wont help (or to a much less effect) PMDD. I have no idea about the other medical aliments its prescribed for.

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Either that, or the media is making this into a birth control debate, just for the sensationalism.
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Nothing about Ms. Flukes testimony was about birth control, but both sides of the media have distorted this issue so badly no one knows that their arguing about.

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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2012, 06:29:59 PM »
Nothing about Ms. Flukes testimony was about birth control


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« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2012, 06:53:00 PM »
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Nothing about Ms. Flukes testimony was about birth control

Ok maybe I shouldnt have stated it like that but did you even bother to read the transcript? I did, her main arguement was that women deserve to have birth control covered on their insurance because of medical problems that can be controlled incidentally with birth control. Ms. Fluke only talks about  polycystic ovarian syndrome and endometriosis but I also know that it can be used for PMDD and anemia. 

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« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2012, 07:20:19 PM »
Still not an accurate representation. Her main point repeated throughout was the cost of contraception, not hormone treatments. In fact she notes the plan she is using as an example does cover medically necessary use, but that some hypothetical plans elsewhere may not.

To which the appropriate, rational, response is, then let's discuss coverage for non-contraceptive, medically-necessary hormone pill coverage at a different forum, where it won't be an off-topic digression.
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