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Title: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: wmenorr67 on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420621,00.html

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Actor Matt Damon said a Sarah Palin presidency would be like "a really bad Disney movie."

"I think there's a really good chance Sarah Palin could become president, and I think that's a really scary thing," he told the Associated Press, referring to the Republican vice presidential nominee.

Damon suggested the odds are John McCain won't survive his first term.

"It's like a really bad Disney movie," he said. "The hockey mom, you know, 'Oh, I'm just a hockey mom'... and she's facing down [Russian] President Putin... It's totally absurd... It's a really terrifying possibility."

Damon also said he believes she was chosen for "political purposes."

Last month, the actor told Conde Nast Traveler he fears putting his foot in his mouth.

"For a lot of actors, our biggest fear is that we're going to start talking about things we don't fully understand and sound like idiots," he said. "In the long run, I'll do much more good if, when I open my mouth, I have something worth saying."

Well looks like you need to try again.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Someone actually CARES about Damon's political opinion?
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: xavier fremboe on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
As opposed to the afterschool special that is "The Obama Story"?
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: red headed stranger on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
But would it be as bad as a bad Matt Damon movie?   grin
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Lennyjoe on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I actually like the Boirne series. As for his political views, who gives a damn what he thinks.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: wmenorr67 on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I actually like the Boirne series. As for his political views, who gives a damn what he thinks.

The problem is too many sheep will baa along with "famous" people because they are "famous."
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: El Tejon on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
*Team America voice*  Matt Damon. grin

To further paraphrase Team America, it is his job as a celebrity to read newspapers and then tell us all what to think.

Matt Damon.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Tallpine on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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Damon also said he believes she was chosen for "political purposes."

Well, duh .....

Newsflash: politician makes choice based on "political purposes" rolleyes
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Dntsycnt on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
He has a point, even if it's not an especially original/insightful one.

I'm not comfortable with the idea of Palin cracking lipstick jokes with Putin.  Of course, all she'll have to do is take one look at his crucifix and she'll know that he's an honest man.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: K Frame on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Lord knows he knows about bad movies, having made so many of them...
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: ilbob on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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Damon also said he believes she was chosen for "political purposes."

Well, duh .....

Newsflash: politician makes choice based on "political purposes" rolleyes
I was gonna say that.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: ilbob on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I'm not comfortable with the idea of Palin cracking lipstick jokes with Putin. 

But you would be comforatable with BHO facing off with Putin?
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: agricola on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
He has a point, even if it's not an especially original/insightful one.

I'm not comfortable with the idea of Palin cracking lipstick jokes with Putin.  Of course, all she'll have to do is take one look at his crucifix and she'll know that he's an honest man.

Admittedly this is somewhat a problem of the Repub's own making (since they and Hillary attacked Obama with it), but I do wish people would realise that the vast majority of diplomatic contacts occur at levels below (in some cases far below) the head of state - a good Foriegn Secretary / FO (or Secretary of State, in your language) doing their job properly is far better than having a "knowledgeable on foriegn policy" PM / President, as history will attest.

Besides, one would have thought dealing with Putin would be remarkably easy - its not as if its not blatantly obvious what he is and what his aims are.  A bigger test would be dealing with the weaselry at the EU and NATO.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Dntsycnt on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
but I do wish people would realise that the vast majority of diplomatic contacts occur at levels below (in some cases far below) the head of state - a good Foriegn Secretary / FO (or Secretary of State, in your language) doing their job properly is far better than having a "knowledgeable on foriegn policy" PM / President, as history will attest.

This is something that bears repeating, and something that didn't really hit home until I read Doug Feith's book, War and Decision, which touched on some of that.  However, the President does play a major role in deciding what approaches we should make, and is a definite and substantial influence.

Besides, one would have thought dealing with Putin would be remarkably easy - its not as if its not blatantly obvious what he is and what his aims are.  A bigger test would be dealing with the weaselry at the EU and NATO.

An interesting point to make, but I'm still more worried about the aggressive guy with access to a vast nuclear arsenal. 
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Manedwolf on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Besides, one would have thought dealing with Putin would be remarkably easy - its not as if its not blatantly obvious what he is and what his aims are.  A bigger test would be dealing with the weaselry at the EU and NATO.

He has a nuclear arsenal that can destroy the world, and he'll put polonium in your tea.

Not really the nicest guy.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: agricola on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Besides, one would have thought dealing with Putin would be remarkably easy - its not as if its not blatantly obvious what he is and what his aims are.  A bigger test would be dealing with the weaselry at the EU and NATO.

He has a nuclear arsenal that can destroy the world, and he'll put polonium in your tea.

Not really the nicest guy.

No, but as I said, he is what he is and he is very likely to be treated accordingly.  A bigger problem (for you in the US at least) are your "allies" and their self-important, self-righteous posturing.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: longeyes on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Hollywood's opposition to Palin has nothing to do with her staring down V. Putin.  (As if Barack Obama could?)

She has too many children IN wedlock.  That bugs the hell out of them.  And, yeah, she's a devout Christian, perish the thought.

She's a threat to their narcissistic lifestyle.  Of course they aren't going to tell you the truth.  Their lives are about "pretend."
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I'm not comfortable with the idea of Palin cracking lipstick jokes with Putin.  Of course, all she'll have to do is take one look at his crucifix and she'll know that he's an honest man.

Huh?

Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I'm not comfortable with the idea of Palin cracking lipstick jokes with Putin.  Of course, all she'll have to do is take one look at his crucifix and she'll know that he's an honest man.

Huh?



A reference to GWB stating once he looked into Putin's eyes and knew he was an honest man, I think.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: xavier fremboe on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Seconded.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: longeyes on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Who says we will be enemies of Russia anyway?

A nationalistic Russia may inspire--not now, eventually--a more nationalistic America.  There are many reasons why the U.S. and Russia are likely allies, not enemies.

Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Manedwolf on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Who says we will be enemies of Russia anyway?

A nationalistic Russia may inspire--not now, eventually--a more nationalistic America.  There are many reasons why the U.S. and Russia are likely allies, not enemies.

Actually, Russia is allying with Venezuela. They just put bombers there for a joint exercise.

Putin is an evil man. Pure and simple.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Who says we will be enemies of Russia anyway?

A nationalistic Russia may inspire--not now, eventually--a more nationalistic America.  There are many reasons why the U.S. and Russia are likely allies, not enemies.



Dude.

There's Russian government propaganda put out that depicts America as Cthulhu. Literally.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: agricola on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Who says we will be enemies of Russia anyway?

A nationalistic Russia may inspire--not now, eventually--a more nationalistic America.  There are many reasons why the U.S. and Russia are likely allies, not enemies.



Dude.

There's Russian government propaganda put out that depicts America as Cthulhu. Literally.



 grin

Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: The Annoyed Man on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Well, I'll be sure to ask him the next time I want an informed opinion on US politics. Also, I'll consult Julia Roberts for all my future medical problems, and Britney Spears for all my financial consulting rolleyes.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Well, I'll be sure to ask him the next time I want an informed opinion on US politics. Also, I'll consult Julia Roberts for all my future medical problems, and Britney Spears for all my financial consulting rolleyes.

Next up: Alec Baldwin with important advice on anger management.

Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Dntsycnt on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Don't forget Mel Gibson for spiritual counseling.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: seeker_two on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
And Jamie Lynn Spears for chastity advice....  laugh
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: agricola on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Don't forget Mel Gibson for spiritual counseling.

isnt Gibson a Republican? 
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Dntsycnt on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I believe he follows the Alcoholic party.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: agricola on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I believe he follows the Alcoholic party.

Either that or the Death to Britain party... its sad, one would have thought he would have forgiven us for invading and occupying nearly every one of the countries he has filmed in / has family members from.  Some people are just bitter, I guess.

Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I'm not comfortable with the idea of Palin cracking lipstick jokes with Putin.  Of course, all she'll have to do is take one look at his crucifix and she'll know that he's an honest man.

Huh?



A reference to GWB stating once he looked into Putin's eyes and knew he was an honest man, I think.

OK, but what does that have to do with a crucifix?  I wasn't aware that Putin had pretenses of piety. 

Nor do I understand the apparent implication that Palin is an air-head. 

Again, I say Huh?
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Marvin Dao on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
OK, but what does that have to do with a crucifix?  I wasn't aware that Putin had pretenses of piety. 

Nor do I understand the apparent implication that Palin is an air-head. 

Again, I say Huh?

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200503/starobin

From outward signs at least, Putin is a religious man.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Wildalaska on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Who's Matt damon?
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Boomhauer on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Who's Matt damon?

Some hollywierd pretty boy who don't know jack.

But, but, but, HE'S FAMOUS!  rolleyes

Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Wildalaska on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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But, but, but, HE'S FAMOUS!  rolleyes

So are the guys with pics hanging up in the Post Office and I don't pay attention to their opinions either *snark snark* grin
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Waitone on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Years ago Jane Fonda sponsored a school in Hollywood to train up and coming actors on the proper way to do things like conduct interviews, dress, speak and so forth.  A healthy component of the class work was the proper political stance to take on various issues.  Evidently up and coming actors signal their intent to be part of the system by going public on their political stances.  I am quite positive the Matt was one of the pupils as was his sidekick Ben Afleck.

To paraphrase the Blond Bomber, "Matt, shut up and act".
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Dntsycnt on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
OK, but what does that have to do with a crucifix?  I wasn't aware that Putin had pretenses of piety. 

It was not just Putin's pretty eyes that convinced Bush of Putin's outstanding character.  He made good note of the crucifix Putin wore, and how it assured him Putin was a trustworthy man.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I did not know that.  But if you think Bush really meant that...
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Look up Putin sometime. He's got some highly-advanced belt in some far-eastern martial art, highest level for a non-oriental, IIRC. This guy tranqs tigers during his vacations, and invades small former Soviet bloc nations whenever he's bored. He sends bombers and battleships into our hemisphere whenever he pleases. He's ex-KGB. I believe he once threatened to castrate reporters.
Now, does America's favorite community organizer come anywhere close to that pedigree?
And Joe Biden vs Putin?
That's scary.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Dntsycnt on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I'm quite glad none of our candidates share Putin's resume.  I want a thug president no more than I want a "hockey mom".
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Look up Putin sometime. He's got some highly-advanced belt in some far-eastern martial art, highest level for a non-oriental, IIRC. This guy tranqs tigers during his vacations, and invades small former Soviet bloc nations whenever he's bored. He sends bombers and battleships into our hemisphere whenever he pleases. He's ex-KGB. I believe he once threatened to castrate reporters.
Now, does America's favorite community organizer come anywhere close to that pedigree?
And Joe Biden vs Putin?
That's scary.

Its Judo. He also hunts and fishes.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: agricola on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Look up Putin sometime. He's got some highly-advanced belt in some far-eastern martial art, highest level for a non-oriental, IIRC. This guy tranqs tigers during his vacations, and invades small former Soviet bloc nations whenever he's bored. He sends bombers and battleships into our hemisphere whenever he pleases. He's ex-KGB. I believe he once threatened to castrate reporters.
Now, does America's favorite community organizer come anywhere close to that pedigree?
And Joe Biden vs Putin?
That's scary.

If Putin were American, he would probably be quite popular in some circles here  grin
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
""Russian aircraft  strike, and will continue to strike in Chechnya only against terrorist bases, and it will continue wherever the terrorist are. We will chase them everywhere. If they're in the airport - we'll get them at the airport. If we catch them in the toilet, we'll waste them on the crapper, too. That's all. Question closed."

(c) Putin 2006
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Iain on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Who's Matt damon?

Who's WildAlaska?
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: onebigelf on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Do we turn now to ACTORS for political opinion?  What amazes me is that an actor's views are considered relevant or important.  Next thing you know we'll be turning to...  reporters.

John
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: longeyes on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Regarding my Russia and America as future allies remark, check back in ten years.

Putin's a thug, but he loves Russia.   

We have a lot of "nice" people who don't much love America.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: seeker_two on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM

Who's John Galt?
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Boomhauer on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Do we turn now to ACTORS for political opinion?  What amazes me is that an actor's views are considered relevant or important.  Next thing you know we'll be turning to...  reporters.

John

The reporters already tell us what to think.



Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Scout26 on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM

Welcome back Ken !  Did you bring Spiff with you ?? grin
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: agricola on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Regarding my Russia and America as future allies remark, check back in ten years.

Putin's a thug, but he loves Russia.   

We have a lot of "nice" people who don't much love America.

This is perhaps true - certainly the Russian Foriegn Minister Sergei Lavrov has managed to brighten my day today with this report of his dressing-down of our David Miliband, our Blairite Foriegn Secretary:

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One unconfirmed report suggested that Mr Lavrov said: "Who are you to f------ lecture me?"

He also asked Mr Miliband in equally blunt terms whether he knew anything of Russia's history.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2667840/David-Miliband-subjected-to-F-word-tirade-from-Russian-foreign-minister.html
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I'm quite glad none of our candidates share Putin's resume.  I want a thug president no more than I want a "hockey mom".

OK, come on.  What is this big, burning problem you have with Palin's "hockey mom" image?  You're not being unduly influenced by marketing slogans, I hope. 
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Wildalaska on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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Welcome back Ken !  Did you bring Spiff with you ?? grin

Spiffs in love, I get to see him once a month and he is all calf eyed and moonstruck angel
Title: Hockey Mom vs Soccer Mom
Post by: ArfinGreebly on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Well, there's the quintessential "soccer mom," who is a vicious, unforgiving, referee-beating proponent of "fairness" ("Hey, ref, you make another call against my kid, I'm gonna kick your ass!"), and then there's the "hockey mom," who says to her own kids, "So what?  Teeth can be replaced.  Now get out there and kick some ass!"

I'll take the "moose shooter" hockey mom, thanks.

Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Dntsycnt on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
OK, come on.  What is this big, burning problem you have with Palin's "hockey mom" image?  You're not being unduly influenced by marketing slogans, I hope. 

Aside from it being an idiotic, meaningless, ambiguous term?  I don't want a "hockey mom" to have access to nuclear weapons.  I don't want a "hockey mom" to lead the most powerful nation in the world.  I want an informed, intelligent, experienced statesman.  (Or stateswoman.)  What makes it worse is that she calls herself a hockey mom.  A sense of humor is great in a politician, but come on, if you're going to represent the people of the United States you should at least take yourself seriously.

"Hockey mom".  Good lord.  I'm going to go vomit.
Title: Seriously?
Post by: ArfinGreebly on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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A sense of humor is great in a politician, but come on, if you're going to represent the people of the United States you should at least take yourself seriously.
Nah.

We have too many arrogant, self-important, affectedly-serious, throat-clearing, eyglass-adjusting, down-the-nose-scowling, affronted, stentorian uber-menschen in Washington DC as it is.

I want her to take the CONSTITUTION seriously.

If she wants to roll on the White House lawn with her dog and kids, I'm good with that.

Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Gowen on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I'm gonna laugh my ass rear off when all these 'woman follows man' evangelicals get Palin as POTUS.  cheesy

No, that super secret group that orders Dick Cheney to boss GWB around is who will be pulling the strings.  She is too stupid to do it for herself, like GWB.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: longeyes on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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Aside from it being an idiotic, meaningless, ambiguous term?  I don't want a "hockey mom" to have access to nuclear weapons.  I don't want a "hockey mom" to lead the most powerful nation in the world.  I want an informed, intelligent, experienced statesman.  (Or stateswoman.)  What makes it worse is that she calls herself a hockey mom.  A sense of humor is great in a politician, but come on, if you're going to represent the people of the United States you should at least take yourself seriously.

"Hockey mom".  Good lord.  I'm going to go vomit.


"Expertise" is more often than not a myth when it comes to foreign policy.  Madeleine Allbright?  Like her "expertise?"  And I hate to say this, but Condi Rice, with her advanced specialty in Russian Stuff, didn't see "Georgia" coming or deflect it, nor does she seem to be doing much good in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian problem.  Palin can read up on what's happening abroad, and of course she'll get briefed by U.S. intell.  In the end it's about animal cunning and intuitive risk-taking.  You don't get that in grad school.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
OK, come on.  What is this big, burning problem you have with Palin's "hockey mom" image?  You're not being unduly influenced by marketing slogans, I hope. 

Aside from it being an idiotic, meaningless, ambiguous term?  I don't want a "hockey mom" to have access to nuclear weapons.  I don't want a "hockey mom" to lead the most powerful nation in the world.  I want an informed, intelligent, experienced statesman.  (Or stateswoman.)  What makes it worse is that she calls herself a hockey mom.  A sense of humor is great in a politician, but come on, if you're going to represent the people of the United States you should at least take yourself seriously.

"Hockey mom".  Good lord.  I'm going to go vomit.

Well, after a rant like that, certainly no one will take you seriously. 

I would ask you, if Palin has not proven herself as a statesman, then who has.  But of course no one would be interested in your answer. 
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Dntsycnt on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
I'm not sure I'd call it a rant, barring the last three sentences.  You certainly got a good nut-jab in on me on your last sentence, I'll give you that.  But I'd rather you address the issue directly:  How is "hockey mom" a desirable label for your President?
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Have you never seen an election before?  It's called folks appeal.  In the same fashion, Lincoln cultivated his image as a frontier rail-splitter.  Like I said, it's a marketing slogan.  It's how the game is played. 
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: dogmush on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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I want an informed, intelligent, experienced statesman.  (Or stateswoman.)

Me too.

However our choices are McCain or Obama, So I'll just have to go for whoever is least damaging to the Constitution.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: roo_ster on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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It's how the game is played. 

If democracy is a 'game' to you, maybe you don't deserve it anymore.   Maybe its overstayed its welcome.

Lighten up, Francis. 

fistful is describing some of the rules & means by which successful policritters get elected. 

If you have difficulty with the use of humor and/or colloquialisms, there are plenty of places on the web for the humor-impaired to congregate and stoke their indignation.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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If democracy is a 'game' to you, maybe you don't deserve it anymore.   Maybe its overstayed its welcome.

Read Johann Huizinga. There are elements of a 'game' in practically every major human activity.

That something is a game doesn't mean it's not important.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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I don't want a "hockey mom" to have access to nuclear weapons.

I want someone who knows how to use AOL and who is cognizant of the strategic importance of arugula prices to have access to nuclear weapons. I won't feel safe until then.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Matthew Carberry on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Regarding my Russia and America as future allies remark, check back in ten years.

Putin's a thug, but he loves Russia.   

We have a lot of "nice" people who don't much love America.

This is perhaps true - certainly the Russian Foriegn Minister Sergei Lavrov has managed to brighten my day today with this report of his dressing-down of our David Miliband, our Blairite Foriegn Secretary:

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One unconfirmed report suggested that Mr Lavrov said: "Who are you to f------ lecture me?"

He also asked Mr Miliband in equally blunt terms whether he knew anything of Russia's history.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2667840/David-Miliband-subjected-to-F-word-tirade-from-Russian-foreign-minister.html

Ironically, that's the kind of person you can deal with, once you get your terms and positions defined.  This mealy-mouthed diplo-speak, such as that used in the recent cease-fire, that seeks to avoid making demands lends itself to deliberate or accidental misunderstanding.

I'm not saying you need be blunt or rude in public, but when real negotiations are going on, there's nothing wrong with letting your position and firmness be clearly displayed. Even if it means you use a little vulgarity.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: agricola on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Regarding my Russia and America as future allies remark, check back in ten years.

Putin's a thug, but he loves Russia.   

We have a lot of "nice" people who don't much love America.

This is perhaps true - certainly the Russian Foriegn Minister Sergei Lavrov has managed to brighten my day today with this report of his dressing-down of our David Miliband, our Blairite Foriegn Secretary:

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One unconfirmed report suggested that Mr Lavrov said: "Who are you to f------ lecture me?"

He also asked Mr Miliband in equally blunt terms whether he knew anything of Russia's history.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2667840/David-Miliband-subjected-to-F-word-tirade-from-Russian-foreign-minister.html

Ironically, that's the kind of person you can deal with, once you get your terms and positions defined.  This mealy-mouthed diplo-speak, such as that used in the recent cease-fire, that seeks to avoid making demands lends itself to deliberate or accidental misunderstanding.

I'm not saying you need be blunt or rude in public, but when real negotiations are going on, there's nothing wrong with letting your position and firmness be clearly displayed. Even if it means you use a little vulgarity.

A Cato for our times!

Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: divemedic on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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I want an informed, intelligent, experienced statesman.
 

When was the last time we had one of those as President? The last 100 years, and their previous occupations: (How is Palin any less qualified that the Presidents below?)

GW Bush Governor of Texas
Clinton  Governor of Arkansas
GHW Bush  Director of CIA (then Vice President), Ambassador to the UN under Nixon, Oil Millionaire 
Reagan Governor of California (actor before that)
Carter Governor of Georgia (farmer before that)
Ford Congressman
Nixon Lawyer, Congressman
LBJ Congressman
JFK Congressman
Eisenhower Military
Truman Congressman
FDR Governor
Hoover Mining engineer
Coolidge Governor, Lawyer before that
Harding Congressman
Wilson Governor of New Jersey
Taft, Lawyer
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Sergeant Bob on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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I want an informed, intelligent, experienced statesman.
 

When was the last time we had one of those as President? The last 100 years, and their previous occupations: (How is Palin any less qualified that the Presidents below?)

GW Bush Governor of Texas
Clinton  Governor of Arkansas
GHW Bush  Director of CIA (then Vice President), Ambassador to the UN under Nixon, Oil Millionaire 
Reagan Governor of California (actor before that)
Carter Governor of Georgia (farmer before that)
Ford Congressman
Nixon Lawyer, Congressman
LBJ Congressman
JFK Congressman
Eisenhower Military
Truman Congressman
FDR Governor
Hoover Mining engineer
Coolidge Governor, Lawyer before that
Harding Congressman
Wilson Governor of New Jersey
Taft, Lawyer

I don't know. Does she have any acting experience?
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: agricola on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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I want an informed, intelligent, experienced statesman.
 

When was the last time we had one of those as President? The last 100 years, and their previous occupations: (How is Palin any less qualified that the Presidents below?)

GW Bush Governor of Texas
Clinton  Governor of Arkansas
GHW Bush  Director of CIA (then Vice President), Ambassador to the UN under Nixon, Oil Millionaire 
Reagan Governor of California (actor before that)
Carter Governor of Georgia (farmer before that)
Ford Congressman
Nixon Lawyer, Congressman
LBJ Congressman
JFK Congressman
Eisenhower Military
Truman Congressman
FDR Governor
Hoover Mining engineer
Coolidge Governor, Lawyer before that
Harding Congressman
Wilson Governor of New Jersey
Taft, Lawyer

I don't know. Does she have any acting experience?

She was a sports reporter for a bit:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiOIEGM7XEs

Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Here's a better soundbyte from Palin:  What does a VP do, anyway?   cheesy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsKI77iaF8k&feature=related

Watch out, there was a link on there that was NSFW. 
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
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I want an informed, intelligent, experienced statesman.
 

When was the last time we had one of those as President? The last 100 years, and their previous occupations: (How is Palin any less qualified that the Presidents below?)

 (Llist)

Some of those guys may have been more qualified than Palin, but that doesn't make them "statesmen."  Palin has shown herself to be a statesman, because she has acted in the interest of her constituents, and dramatically so, rather than merely seeking power and prestige.  Witness her hocking the gubernatorial assets to help balance the budget.
Title: Re: Matt Damon: Sarah Palin Presidency Would Be Like a 'Really Bad Disney Movie'
Post by: Matthew Carberry on March 03, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
AND, putting the State Constitution ahead of her own beliefs when she vetoed the Legislative special session's attempt to prohibit (un-Constitutionally) the state from paying same-sex benefits (HB4001).

She said her oath as Governor required her to do so.

I want people of faith, or lack thereof, who put the Constitution, State or Federal, and their oaths to support and defend the same, ahead of their own beliefs when it comes to actions versus talk.

Palin has proven that.

Her religious beliefs have thus been shown to be a non-factor in her actual actions in power.

The "scary evangelical" talking point is just so much wind.