more stuff you just can't make up

[vaskidmark]

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-motgomery-county-teen-killed-justified-20111219,0,7720580.story

Honey, would you and Junior come over and beat the snot out of my boyfriend?

Even if the shooting were not justified under the law, it's one of those situations where you have a fleeting thought that not enough people were shot.

As difficult as it is to imagine, I'm thinking they were rejected when someone wrote in and suggested Jerry Springer have them on the show.

And if you are or have ever been in a similar relationship, or have relatives who are or ever have been in a similar relationship, fer gawd's sake just keep that to your self!

stay safe.

[Jamie B]

With one man on each side of him, the boyfriend pulled his gun and announced that he was armed. He hit Joshua Levin in the front of his head with the handgun to get him to back away, but it had no effect.

Holy *expletive deleted*it!

I'll be damned if I am going smack someone with a baseball bat in the head with a handgun!

A neighbor reported hearing yelling outside. He said he heard one person threatening to call the police, and a second person responding, "Go ahead." That was just before the neighbor heard a gunshot.

"Go ahead, I dare you to shoot me!"
OK.

[makattak]

Reading the story, I am bewildered, but unfortunately not surprised. So many elements of wrong there.

No one in this story was in the right. Fortunately for the boyfriend, he was (from the account) most definitely justified in shooting both of them.

But, yeah, that's a particularly messed up... er... family.

[Jamie B]

Yea, I'm still trying to understand how a carry permit helps with that gun under the seat of the truck....

It makes it look like some type of permit is required for a handgun.

[vaskidmark]

Yea, I'm still trying to understand how a carry permit helps with that gun under the seat of the truck....

It makes it look like some type of permit is required for a handgun.

Freaking Asperger's cases - always with the concrete thinking!    But so your head will not asplode wondering about it - I think a LTCF is needed for all handguns in Pennsyltucky, and certainly for one concealed under the front seat because it's concealed when it's under there.

stay safe.

[AJ Dual]

I think some states require a CCW/LTC for loaded handguns in the passenger compartment of a car that's accessible to it's driver etc too. Maybe PA has this on the books?

Could even be some mild pro-gun bias in the story, throwing the permit in there as a way of making the shooter look that much more like the "good guy"?

[Devonai]

Considering that the father was only 15 when his kid was born, I would have to assume that they were at the same level of mental development.

[Jamie B]

Freaking Asperger's cases - always with the concrete thinking!    But so your head will not asplode wondering about it - I think a LTCF is needed for all handguns in Pennsyltucky, and certainly for one concealed under the front seat because it's concealed when it's under there.

stay safe.

Were you referring to me or the writer?

[vaskidmark]

Yes.

And if either of you were offended, I offer an apology.

stay safe.

[Hawkmoon]

Freaking Asperger's cases - always with the concrete thinking!    But so your head will not asplode wondering about it - I think a LTCF is needed for all handguns in Pennsyltucky, and certainly for one concealed under the front seat because it's concealed when it's under there.

Pennsylvania is an open carry (no permit required) state, everywhere but Philadelphia. Permit is required to carry concealed or to transport a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle.

[lee n. field]

The boyfriend again attempted to retreat from the situation, but the Levins chased him around the truck and trapped him.

With one man on each side of him, the boyfriend pulled his gun and announced that he was armed. He hit Joshua Levin in the front of his head with the handgun to get him to back away, but it had no effect.

Zachary Levin the boyfriend with his bat, and the boyfriend fired a shot at him.

If that's really the way it went down, I'm not sure there's a problem.  It's tragic that someone was both stupid and violent, and got killed because he wouldn't stand down.

But, yeah, that's a particularly messed up... er... family.

Did you catch the ages?  Junior is 19.  Pa is 34.  Pa fathered Junior when he was 15.

On Monday, Boyertown Area School District Superintendent Dion Betts said grief counselors were available to students and staff.

Do they ever send around relief counselors?

[Grandpa Shooter]

Pennsylvania is an open carry (no permit required) state, everywhere but Philadelphia. Permit is required to carry concealed or to transport a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle.

Ok, I just have to ask this, "What good would an un loaded firearm do in a vehicle?"  When I traveled cross country during the last three years I had a loaded gun with me every mile of the way.  Maybe its just me but I think the second amendment was written before there were any states infringing on it.

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Question for you married guys: Your wife, who has been not just sleeping with but also living with another man for some period of time calls you up after she has an argument with BF, and tells you to pick her up (or beat up BF, who knows).
Would you go to help her?

[Regolith]

Reading through this, it looks like this probably would have been justified even without the stand-your-ground law.

He attempted to retreat several times and was unable to. No jury not filled with brain-dead morons or members of the deceased's family (but I repeat myself) would vote to convict.

[HankB]

As pointed out, the kid was only ~15 years younger than the father . . . it doesn't say how old the mother was, but unless she was a teacher who had a thing about high school boys, good guess is her age was comparable to Daddy's.  (Also at 19 . . . the kid was still in high school? I finished my sophomore year in college at 19 . . . kid either started late or got left back a time or two.)

And the married woman is shacked up with a boyfriend, and hubby is on call to make sure boyfriend treats her right?

And . . . did boyfriend know he was shacked up with a married woman?

As for the shoot itself - if it went down as described, I'd say "No Bill" for the shooter and murder charges against the father and possibly the wife. (Father was committing a crime with Junior when a life was lost - doesn't that make him complicit?)

[T.O.M.]

Add me to the "good shoot" voters.  If you try to flee and get trapped by assailants with deadly weapons, you do what you have to do.  Law says pretty much the same.

[wmenorr67]

Good shoot and thinning of the gene pool it sounds like, 2 for 1.