Who will win in 2020?

[Brad Johnson]

Michigan shows only 38,000 votes difference with 99% reporting.

A cursory glance shows three counties as deciding factor - Oakland, Washtenaw, and Wayne. Those three counties alone represent roughly 42% of the statewide Biden vote.

Oakland ... 438,147 (B) / 328,313 (T)
Washtenaw ... 157,130 (B) / 56,241 (T)
Wayne ... 519,809 (B) / 244,853 (T)

Looks like Detroit still carries the state out of sheer population density though I have a feeling there will be more than a few instances of voting shenanigans come to light in the next few days. I can't, for the life of me, fathom why the populace continues to vote D when they have multiple generations of significant, ongoing social and societal failures directly and demonstrably tied to liberal policy and governance.

Brad

[cordex]

In another thread, AZ called out the money spent on marketing in the campaign.  I see a lot of lawyer billable hours in the future! And the expensive Washington DC type lawyers.

No kidding.

What's the hourly on those types?  $1,500?  $3k?  More?

[BobR]

I can't, for the life of me, fathom why the populace continues to vote D when they have multiple generations of significant, ongoing social and societal failures directly and demonstrably tied to liberal policy and governance.

Brad

Because that is their norm. Multiple generations of failure to us is multiple generations of success to them. You are asking them to throw off the shackles of free government programs that provide shelter, food and cell phones at little to no cost and to forge into a brave new world where them get a meaningful job and provide for themselves and their families. It's scary to them, something completely foreign for many of them. They seem to have accepted that as their lot in life and are content with the way things are. It will probably never happen.

OTOH hand, what is the excuse for those dipshits in Clark County and Washoe County Nevada?

bob

[dogmush]

I had been unwilling to guess on this election until now.  I just cast my vote in the OP poll, posted lo, those 18 pages ago for "Someone....Else?"


Lawyers.  Lawyers will win in 2020.

[Ron]

I had been unwilling to guess on this election until now.  I just cast my vote in the OP poll, posted lo, those 18 pages ago for "Someone....Else?"


Lawyers.  Lawyers will win in 2020.

Here is an interesting take on PA

https://macris.substack.com/p/why-trump-will-triumph-in-pa-litigation

[Ben]

12NOV for NC to be done counting.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/04/report-it-could-be-nov-12-before-north-carolina-reports-tally-of-outstanding-absentee-ballots/

[Brad Johnson]

Fox just called Michigan for Biden.

If Nevada goes as predicted, that's it. But that's where it gets interesting. The whole state is showing about 75% reporting, including Clark and Washoe counties, and Biden with a mere 8000 vote lead on more than a million votes cast. It would only take a blink in the Reno or Vegas voting numbers to flip that.

Brad

[Silver Bullet]

   Bad news.  I went to bed thinking Trump had it locked up.  Hopefully we can keep the Senate, and keep Joe from doing anything.  Resist!

But yes!  If Trump takes Nevada, by my spreadsheet he will win with 274 votes.

[K Frame]

Collins has apparently kept her seat in Maine.

That's... mediocre news at best, but it's a step at keeping the Senate Republican. Sort of.

[Andiron]

Collins has apparently kept her seat in Maine.

That's... mediocre news at best, but it's a step at keeping the Senate Republican. Sort of.

If nothing else keeping Mitch majority leader will piss em' off.

You want depressing?  "Senate majority leader Schumer"

[RocketMan]

I can't wait until we have to report to one of Robert Reich's Truth and Reconciliation Commissions.  I'm looking forward to my re-education.

[WLJ]

23,000+ votes "found" in Philly, all Biden.

[Ben]

I have to admit, I am fast losing hope. I was really thinking there might be a WI or MI flip, but all the "found" ballots are coming up dem. As *expletive deleted*ing usual.

A half year of Biden and 3.5 years of Harris with O'Rourke as her gun czar is gonna suck.

[dogmush]

PA's going to the courts as well.  SCOTUS is going to have to grant or deny cert on the appeal before that one's over.

[Andiron]

I have to admit, I am fast losing hope. I was really thinking there might be a WI or MI flip, but all the "found" ballots are coming up dem. As *expletive deleted*ing usual.

A half year of Biden and 3.5 years of Harris with O'Rourke as her gun czar is gonna suck.

Same.

How the hell do "we the people"  allow this?  Obvious fraud happening,  what is there to be done?  Does Trump file suit, and then the toss all the ballots in a pile and scrutinize them for legitimacy?  I quite honestly don't get how this just "happens".  Tee hee,  found a shitload of ballots and they're all for the guy we want to win?  Shoe on the other foot and the media would be calling for blood.  The worst part for me is that the party benefiting from this is the same one that's virulently against ANY voter ID laws.

I have no problem with Trump losing fair and square.  This *expletive deleted*it bothers me.

[Jim147]

Some of the things I'm seeing reported out of swing states is banana republic level.

[Hawkmoon]

Some of the things I'm seeing reported out of swing states is banana republic level.

Well, the United States is a republic, after all. All we needed was the bananas and a suitable dictator.

[zahc]

Same.

How the hell do "we the people"  allow this?  Obvious fraud happening,  what is there to be done?  Does Trump file suit, and then the toss all the ballots in a pile and scrutinize them for legitimacy?  I quite honestly don't get how this just "happens".  Tee hee,  found a shitload of ballots and they're all for the guy we want to win?  Shoe on the other foot and the media would be calling for blood.  The worst part for me is that the party benefiting from this is the same one that's virulently against ANY voter ID laws.

I have no problem with Trump losing fair and square.  This *expletive deleted*it bothers me.

Even if they recount, it won't do anything if the ballots are actually there. I have no problem believing the ballots are there.

If a court challenge results in ballots cast under suspicious conditions be thrown out, then it could definitely tilt things.

I have heard of local elections being nullified and repeated. I don't know if re- voting is any possibility.

[Ron]

We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won't allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact, there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported!

- Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

I'm reading reports of counties throughout the "contested" states that had over 100% turnout of registered voters.

[Angel Eyes]

I'm reading reports of counties throughout the "contested" states that had over 100% turnout of registered voters.

An (as yet unconfirmed) report claims that Arizona election officials have received 100,000 more ballots than there are registered voters.

[WLJ]

Lawsuits now in PA, GA, MI.
Trump isn't one to just roll over and play dead on this like pretty every other R has in the past.

[dogmush]

An (as yet unconfirmed) report claims that Arizona election officials have received 100,000 more ballots than there are registered voters.

That would seem to be pretty easy to confirm if it were true.

[Viking]

Lawsuits now in PA, GA, MI.
Trump isn't one to just roll over and play dead on this like pretty every other R has in the past.

From an outsider's point of view, it appears to me that previous Republicans had a need to be liked and accepted by the Democrats, so that they would hopefully get some scraps and leftovers. Trump truly doesn't give a *expletive deleted*it what the other party thinks of him, and will fight them.

[Andiron]

Lawsuits now in PA, GA, MI.
Trump isn't one to just roll over and play dead on this like pretty every other R has in the past.

Screw it,  I'd like to see a Republican actually go the knife fight route instead of the norm of polite capitulation.

[Ben]

They are "curing" ballots in Georgia. Does this mean "team joe" will ensure problem republican ballots make it through as well?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/04/team-joe-needs-people-to-go-door-to-door-in-georgia-to-help-voters-fix-their-mail-in-ballots-so-they-count/