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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: TechMan on April 10, 2017, 02:14:42 PM
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Not much info right now: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/10/at-least-3-reportedly-shot-at-san-bernardino-elementary-school.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/10/at-least-3-reportedly-shot-at-san-bernardino-elementary-school.html)
ETA: http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/04/10/report-multiple-casualties-after-shooting-at-san-bernardino-elementary-school/ (http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/04/10/report-multiple-casualties-after-shooting-at-san-bernardino-elementary-school/)
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Ah *expletive deleted*it. And tomorrow is the 10th anniversary of Virginia Tech.
Lefties are going to go full monkey circus.
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Ah *expletive deleted*it. And tomorrow is the 10th anniversary of Virginia Tech.
Lefties are going to go full monkey circus.
Ayep...fling *expletive deleted*it all over the place.
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Initial reports say it is a "simple" murder-suicide event.
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Now reporting two students shot and in critical condition at local hospital, in addition to adult victim and perpetrator both deceased.
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From the reporting so far, my impression is domestic dispute turned into murder.
The scumbag likely wanted to go out with a big impression, so went to her work to kill her.
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From the reporting so far, my impression is domestic dispute turned into murder.
The scumbag likely wanted to go out with a big impression, so went to her work to kill her.
Well, she has to take him seriously now.
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It appears the shooter had a criminal record.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/10/san-bernardino-elementary-school-shooting-teacher-8-year-old-student-killed-in-murder-suicide.html
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Here we go again:
http://ktla.com/2017/04/10/multiple-gunshot-victims-at-elementary-school-in-san-bernardino-amid-report-of-active-shooter-officials-say/
Man gets admitted to elementary school, where his wife was a teacher. Man goes to wife's classroom, kills her (wounding two students -- one fatally -- in the process), then kills himself. Reaction from the aw-thaw-rih-tays is predictable:
Before going to the classroom, the shooter had his ID and checked in to the school’s front office, which is the only point of entrance to the campus while classes are in session, school district Superintendent Dale Marsden said.
The elementary school does not have uniformed police officers or campus security, unlike the district’s middle and high schools, according to Garcia.
“Our middle schools have campus security and all of our high schools have uniformed police officers,” she said.
How very helpful.
Garcia explained that the district re-examined its security measures after the Dec. 2, 2015, terror attack that left 14 dead at the Inland Regional Center, which is about 7 miles south of North Park. All district principals have had lockdown training and know “exactly what to do” if there’s an active shooter report, she said.
“Especially after Dec. 2 we actually took a closer look at all of our campuses and what we can do to increase student security and campus safety. The majority of our principals have participated in lockdown training … They know exactly what to do and what they need to do to keep students safe,” Garcia said.
If the administration knows what to do to keep students safe, why is there one dead student and another in the hospital? Possibly that re-examination of security measures needs to be re-re-examined ... 'cause it didn't work very well.
And make up your mind -- have "all" the principals had lockdown training, or only a majority? And what would locking down this school have accomplished, anyway, given that the teacher was dead, two students wounded, and the killer had offed himself before the lockdown alarm could have been given anyway?
Following the shooting call, police arrived on scene within four minutes of getting the call.
Further proof (not that we needed any) that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
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In this case, nothing less than prison-level security would have prevented the shooting.
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Or a simple metal detector and security officer at the entrance.
What's the point of only putting real security at the high schools and middle schools? Don't the morons in San Bernardino remember that Sandy Hook was an elementary school?
Sherlock Holmes: "It's elementary, Watson."
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It's
Bush's Trump's fault.
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I'm already reading it's the NRA's fault because they want to put guns in schools.
While I don't think a gun in the school would have helped with this deranged nut unless he was stopped at the door, a good guy with a gun did not cause this.
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Was the teacher having an affair with a student or something? ....oh wait.....this wasn't in Texas.
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A post on what appeared to be Karen Smith's Facebook page invited friends to the couple's wedding in January. The following month, Anderson posted a 12-second video in which he said Smith was "making me really happy" and "knows when to ignore me."
I guess the honeymoon is over.
More proof that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. :police:
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So he was probably not legal to possess firearms, and he didn't believe black lives matter. BLAME THE NRA!!!
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The entire incident is fake news. EVERYONE knows that elementary schools are gun-free zones, therefore it's simply impossible that someone could have walked into a school and shot a teacher, with accompanying collateral damage to two students.
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The entire incident is fake news. EVERYONE knows that elementary schools are gun-free zones, therefore it's simply impossible that someone could have walked into a school and shot a teacher, with accompanying collateral damage to two students.
Throughout the incident, the school identified as gun-free.
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This morning news report from WTOP said that one of the children has died.
Why can't these pricks ever just eat a bullet by themselves, at home!
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We need to teach the how to suicide-murder properly.
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If they had any balls murder-suicides would only be suicides.
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Was the teacher having an affair with a student or something? ....oh wait.....this wasn't in Texas.
8 and 9 year old special ed kids, if I remember right. So, unlikly (on the remote chance this is a serious question).
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8 and 9 year old special ed kids, if I remember right. So, unlikly (on the remote chance this is a serious question).
I guess that was a in poor taste since this was an elementary school. There have been a handful of incidents at Texas high schools in recent years.
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So do they restrict entry into the school? Did the guy have to check in with anyone before entering? Lock downs might work if you can reasonably expect to keep the potential attacker out. If the attacker is already inside, I am not sure how well that works.
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Merged topics.
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So do they restrict entry into the school? Did the guy have to check in with anyone before entering? Lock downs might work if you can reasonably expect to keep the potential attacker out. If the attacker is already inside, I am not sure how well that works.
Read that he checked into the office with his ID and they allowed him to go to his wife's classroom on his own.
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So do they restrict entry into the school? Did the guy have to check in with anyone before entering? Lock downs might work if you can reasonably expect to keep the potential attacker out. If the attacker is already inside, I am not sure how well that works.
For years, I have been going into the schools where my wife works, during the school day. At the local schools, all the doors are locked to exterior access except for the entry doors into the school office. You stop and sign in, and if you are a relative of one of the teachers or staff, the school secretary or whomever just waves at you and tells you to go on back to the classroom. I think they may do a more thorough check if they don't recognize the visitor.
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For years, I have been going into the schools where my wife works, during the school day. At the local schools, all the doors are locked to exterior access except for the entry doors into the school office. You stop and sign in, and if you are a relative of one of the teachers or staff, the school secretary or whomever just waves at you and tells you to go on back to the classroom. I think they may do a more thorough check if they don't recognize the visitor.
I just tell them I'm there to take my clothes off in their girls' locker room.
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So do they restrict entry into the school? Did the guy have to check in with anyone before entering? Lock downs might work if you can reasonably expect to keep the potential attacker out. If the attacker is already inside, I am not sure how well that works.
A lockdown means each teacher closes and locks the door to each classroom. Of course, the way most classroom doors are arranged and the way classroom locks work, this typically requires each teacher to step out into the corridor with the key in order to lock the door before pulling it closed. Tough assignment if the shooter is in your corridor ...
Newer schools are getting different hardware (including electronic locks that can all be secured by the push of a button in the main office -- unless, of course, the folks in the main office are already dead -- like at Sandy Hook), but there must be tens or hundreds of thousands of schools across the country with the old style locks, and no money to replace them.
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So, what's the final tally according to the anti-gun groups?
This was actually:
127 school shootings?
978 chillruns (chillruns are anywhere from 0 to 127 years of age) were killed?
A wave of blood 11 feet high tidal waved down the streets?
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Technically (according to FBI guidelines) this incident didn't kill enough people to be considered a "mass" shooting.
Which means I don't know if I should add it to my spreadsheet or not. I think I should, because I'm tracking such incidents to better document that "No guns allowed" laws and rules are ineffective in preventing shootings. (Note, please, that I did not refer to such incidents as "gun violence.")
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Maybe add it with an *
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Maybe add it with an *
I added it.
No asterisk. *expletive deleted*ck the FBI and their definition. The incident took place inside a school, which is legally a gun-free zone, yet a teacher and a student were killed and another student seriously wounded. More proof that anti-gun laws don't work.
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Technically (according to FBI guidelines) this incident didn't kill enough people to be considered a "mass" shooting.
Which means I don't know if I should add it to my spreadsheet or not. I think I should, because I'm tracking such incidents to better document that "No guns allowed" laws and rules are ineffective in preventing shootings. (Note, please, that I did not refer to such incidents as "gun violence.")
What's the official number used for "mass" shooting?
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It's low and most of them are domestic.
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What's the official number used for "mass" shooting?
Four victim fatalities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murder
The FBI defines mass murder as murdering four or more persons during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders. A mass murder typically occurs in a single location where one or more people kill several others.
And in looking that up I stumbled across another incident that I classify as a mass shooting, even if the FBI doesn't: July 23, 2015, Grand Theater 16 in Lafayette, Louisiana. Two killed, nine wounded.. Yes, the theater was posted as a gun-free zone.
A good article here: http://crimeresearch.org/2014/09/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/
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Perhaps separate columns for actual (>4 dead) mass shootings and and "attempted" (<4 dead) mass shootings and whether or not the attempted was stopped by and armed responder. Along with whether it was LE or a CCW type.
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Perhaps separate columns for actual (>4 dead) mass shootings and and "attempted" (<4 dead) mass shootings and whether or not the attempted was stopped by and armed responder. Along with whether it was LE or a CCW type.
What if the number of dead == 4?
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What if the number of dead == 4?
Mass Shooting. Sorry should be >=.