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A fellow parent asked me the the other day if we are going to send our kids to public school when they hit kindergarten.  It didn't take me long to say, "No."  Just one more reason...



http://www.tauntongazette.com/news/x1903566059/Taunton-second-grader-suspended-over-drawing-of-Jesus

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A Taunton father is outraged after his 8-year-old son was sent home from school and required to undergo a psychological evaluation after drawing a stick-figure picture of Jesus Christ on the cross.

 

The father said he got a call earlier this month from Maxham Elementary School informing him that his son, a second-grade student, had created a violent drawing. The image in question depicted a crucified Jesus with Xs covering his eyes to signify that he had died on the cross. The boy wrote his name above the cross.

 

“As far as I’m concerned, they’re violating his religion,” the incredulous father said.

He requested that his name and his son’s name be withheld from publication to protect the boy.

 

The student drew the picture shortly after taking a family trip to see the Christmas display at the National Shrine of Our Lady of La Salette, a Christian retreat site in Attleboro. He made the drawing in class after his teacher asked the children to sketch something that reminded them of Christmas, the father said.

 

“I think what happened is that because he put Xs in the eyes of Jesus, the teacher was alarmed and they told the parents they thought it was violent,” said Toni Saunders, an educational consultant with the Associated Advocacy Center.

 

Saunders is working with the boy’s parents after a mutual acquaintance referred them to her.

 

“When I got that call, I was so appalled that I had to do something,” Saunders said.

“They weren’t looking at the fact that this is an 8-year-old child with special needs,” she added. “They made him leave school, and they recommended that a psychiatrist do an evaluation.”

 

The school, in fact, required the evaluation before the boy could return, the father said.

Maxham School principal Rebecca Couet referred all questions on the matter to the superintendent’s office.

 

Superintendent Julie Hackett said district policy prevents her from discussing a “confidential matter regarding a student.”

 

“Generally speaking, we have safety protocols in place,” Hackett said. “If a situation warrants it, we ask for outside safety evaluations if we have particular concerns about a child’s safety. We followed all the protocols in our system.”

 

Hackett refused to specifically discuss the student’s drawing or the school’s reaction to it.

The father was flabbergasted when he learned his son had to undergo an evaluation.

“When she told me he needed to be psychologically evaluated, I thought she was playing,” he said.

 

The man said his son, who gets specialized reading and speech instruction at school, has never shown any tendency toward violence.

 

“He’s never been suspended,” he said. “He’s 8 years old. They overreacted.”

 

The boy made the drawing and was sent home from school on Dec. 2. He went for the psychological evaluation — at his parents’ expense — the next day and was cleared to return to school the following Monday after the psychological evaluation found nothing to indicate that he posed a threat to himself or others.

 

The boy, however, was traumatized by the incident, which made going back to school very difficult, the father said. School administrators have approved the father’s request to have the boy transferred to another elementary school in the district.

 

This is not the first time in recent years that a Taunton student has been sent home over a drawing. In June 2008, a fifth-grade student was suspended from Mulcahey Middle School for a day after creating a stick figure drawing that appeared to depict him shooting his teacher and a classmate.

 

The Mulcahey teacher also contacted the police to take out charges in the 2008 incident.



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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 01:07:38 PM »
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He made the drawing in class after his teacher asked the children to sketch something that reminded them of Christmas, the father said.

Well, he drew an Easter picture on Christmas.

At least it had something to do with Jesus.

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The boy wrote his name above the cross.

As a child is supposed to do when handing in assignments to their teacher:  Put your name on the top of your paper.

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“As far as I’m concerned, they’re violating his religion,” the incredulous father said.

Dad needs to go back to skrewl.  They're not violating his RELIGION, they're violating his FREEDOM of religious expression.  I would agree with dad if he actually said that.

The teacher asked for a personalized expression on the meaning of Christmas for the individual students.  The teacher got what she asked for.  This drawing, while theologically has little to do with Christmas, is appropriately associated with Christmas to an 8 year old who has not yet fully comprehended the faith he is being introduced to.

I hope the district eats crow, pays out $$, and the kid gets to go to a better private school with the proceeds.
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 01:24:34 PM »
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“Generally speaking, we have safety protocols in place,” Hackett said. “If a situation warrants it, we ask for outside safety evaluations if we have particular concerns about a child’s safety. We followed all the protocols in our system.”

I call satire. Nobody could be that dumb.
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 01:24:54 PM »
I wonder if the parent could demand the teacher undergo an evaluation?
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 01:40:00 PM »
jfruser, I really appreciate the Machiavelli quote at the end.  For better or worse, that is the approach I have taken in many aspects of my life.  I go in and very early drop on them (school, etc.) that I am a trial attorney and a magistrate judge.  Sometimes, it is better to be feared...
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 02:17:23 PM »

As fun as it is to call this religious persecution, I'd hazard a guess that it's more "zero tolerance" nonsense.  IMHO, it's the same mess as throwing kids in detention or suspending them for bringing a butter knife for their lunch.
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 02:29:35 PM »
As fun as it is to call this religious persecution, I'd hazard a guess that it's more "zero tolerance" nonsense.  IMHO, it's the same mess as throwing kids in detention or suspending them for bringing a butter knife for their lunch.

Or drawing a picture of a gun at age 8.  School administrators are no longer allowed to think for themselves.
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 02:43:39 PM »
Or drawing a picture of a gun at age 8.  School administrators are no longer allowed to think for themselves.

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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 02:47:07 PM »
Or drawing a picture of a gun at age 8.  School administrators are no longer allowed to think for themselves.

Well, it's an effective way to avoid some lawsuits.

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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 04:08:11 PM »
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This drawing, while theologically has little to do with Christmas, is appropriately associated with Christmas to an 8 year old who has not yet fully comprehended the faith he is being introduced to.

Actually - if you believe that way - the kid got it exactly right.

Jesus was born on "Christmas" (not necessarily 12-25) so that He could die on the Cross thirty something years later.
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 04:16:23 PM »
so kid went to a christian retreat (what is that? like a camp or a chruch or abby or something) for a christmas thingy, no doubt saw a gazillon and one criucefixes and so when the teacher told them to draw a christmas picture, kid drew what he saw at the retreat christmas thingy.

furthermore, your standard 8 year old is not gonna think to kill themselves on a cross or want to be Cruicified. thats a little more for crazy teens that are too smart for their own good, not very orginal and need to spend sometime in a mental ward.
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2009, 04:18:20 PM »
Or drawing a picture of a gun at age 8.  School administrators are no longer allowed to think for themselves.
It's the old problem of not having the right tools for the job!!

And, yes, teachers really can be this dumb, undoubtedly.

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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 05:31:18 PM »
so kid went to a christian retreat (what is that? like a camp or a chruch or abby or something)

Well, at my current church, we don't have retreats; we have advances!   :laugh:

Anyway, retreats I've attended are kind of like church camp, but for adults.  Or children/teens.  I imagine it's something like a corporate retreat, but probably not as posh, and with religious services and prayer time, rather than whatever it is the business folk do on their retreat thingies. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 05:36:40 PM »
As fun as it is to call this religious persecution, I'd hazard a guess that it's more "zero tolerance" nonsense.  IMHO, it's the same mess as throwing kids in detention or suspending them for bringing a butter knife for their lunch.

Yeah.  That sort of shrinking violet stuff has gotten into churches, too, I'm afraid.  Christianity is, in a sense, a blood-drenched religion.  A lot of church-goers don't like to hear about that anymore. 

As others have pointed out, drawing the crucifixion indicates that the kid is starting to get a grasp of his (or his family's) religious beliefs, not that he needs mental eval. 
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2009, 05:58:04 PM »
Results of an overly litigious society.

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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2009, 06:04:35 PM »
*Sigh*
You know how, every time a nutjob goes on a killing spree, they mention all the "warning signs" that people saw and said nothing about? This is an effort to report everything that could possibly be construed as a warning sign.
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2009, 06:42:53 PM »
Seems to me that the school administrators are showing "warning signs" of being obsessive control freaks. Next time a kid disappears in the area, the cops should drag them in for questioning.

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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2009, 07:31:44 PM »
Another article on it.
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Johnson said the teacher became upset when his son said he drew himself on the cross.
Uh, guys, if an 8 year old is showing signs that he's got himself confused with GOD I think it warrants a psych eval.  Sure, it's probably nothing, but if he's really got a Messianic complex it should be nipped in the bud before things jump off the chain.

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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2009, 07:43:56 PM »
Oh.  Didn't notice that before. 

HOWEVER.  And this is a big HOWEVER, scripture also speaks of the believer being crucified with Christ.  Galations 2.20 and 6.14.
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2009, 09:31:20 PM »
so kid went to a christian retreat (what is that? like a camp or a chruch or abby or something) for a christmas thingy, no doubt saw a gazillon and one criucefixes and so when the teacher told them to draw a christmas picture, kid drew what he saw at the retreat christmas thingy.

Exactly. If there's one thing you're likely to see at a Christian retreat center, it's a cross .. or three, or four, or ... So they took an 8-year old to this place with crucifixes and told him they were there about Christmas, so then they asked him to draw something that reminded him of Christmas.

Nothing like zapping the poor kid for following the flippin' instructions.

This wasn't a "retreat," folks, this was a retreat center. Specifically, to cite the article, the National Shrine of Our Lady of La Salette. I'm thinking they had more than a couple of crucifixes at the National Shrine of Our Lady of La Salette.
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2009, 10:54:32 PM »
Another article on it.Uh, guys, if an 8 year old is showing signs that he's got himself confused with GOD I think it warrants a psych eval.  Sure, it's probably nothing, but if he's really got a Messianic complex it should be nipped in the bud before things jump off the chain.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2009, 10:55:00 PM »
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I'm thinking they had more than a couple of crucifixes at the National Shrine of Our Lady of La Salette.

Good thing he didn't draw any pictures of the Lady of La Sallette. They would have nailed him for being a sex offender.

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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2009, 12:09:32 AM »
Good thing he didn't draw any pictures of the Lady of La Sallette. They would have nailed him for being a sex offender.
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Re: Drawing of Jesus Nets Second Grader Suspension and Mandatory Psych Eval
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2009, 02:46:50 AM »
Dad tells the tauntaun gazette that the school is violating his kid's religion, but tells WBZ-TV that he suspects racism.  So, they're violating his religion because he's black?

In the WBZ story that GB posted, it does say that he told the teacher that it was a drawing of himself.  I'm not a school teacher, but I understand that they are taught to look out for signs of abuse in young children.  Maybe the boy's drawing and verbal communication to the teacher were interpreted as such.  Maybe that's what dad is really upset about.

I think they should show some concern about the quality (or apparent lack) of art education at the kid's school.
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