Former ACLU Chapter President Arrested for Child Pornography

[gunsmith]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2900174&page=1

Feb. 23, 2007 Federal agents arrested Charles Rust-Tierney, the former president of the Virginia chapter of the ACLU, Friday in Arlington for allegedly possessing child pornography.

According to a criminal complaint obtained by ABC News, Rust-Tierney allegedly used his e-mail address and credit card to subscribe to and access a child pornography website.

The complaint states that federal investigations into child pornography websites revealed that "Charles Rust-Tierney has subscribed to multiple child pornography website over a period of years."

As recently as last October, the complaint alleges, "Rust-Tierney purchased access to a group of hardcore commercial child pornography websites."

Complaint Alleges Access to Graphic Material

Rust-Tierney admitted to investigators that he had downloaded videos and images from child pornography websites onto CD-ROMs, according to the complaint.

The videos described in the complaint depict graphic forcible intercourse with prepubescent females. One if the girls is described in court documents as being "seen and heard crying", another is described as being "bound by rope."

The investigation is being conducted by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and the Arlington County Police as part of the Northern Virginia and District of Columbia Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force.

Rust-Tierney made an initial appearance in a federal court in Alexandria, VA, Friday. He is being detained pending a preliminary hearing scheduled for Wednesday, February 28.

Youth Coach, Argued Against Restricting Public Internet

Rust Tierney coaches various youth sports teams in and around Arlington, Virginia, according to court documents.

In the past, Rust-Tierney had argued against restricting Internet access in public libraries in Virginia, writing, "Recognizing that individuals will continue to behave responsibly and appropriately while in the library, the default should be maximum, unrestricted access to the valuable resources of the Internet."

[Manedwolf]

Cue the old Gomer Pyle (I think?) sound effect of "Surprise, surprise!"

The videos described in the complaint depict graphic forcible intercourse with prepubescent females. One if the girls is described in court documents as being "seen and heard crying", another is described as being "bound by rope."

This deserves the death penalty, IMO. With fire.

Rust Tierney coaches various youth sports teams in and around Arlington, Virginia, according to court documents.

Better not be anymore.

[roo_ster]

But, wait a minute?  He was ACLU?  He got caught with kiddie porn?  What's the big deal, since as a leader in the ACLU, he advocates free expression*? 

So, he ought not be pilloried in the media, since he is not guilty of hypocrisy (the greatest possble sin in today's culture--surpassing all others).

The poor, poor, dear.  Let us hope he can be back coaching youths ASAP.



* Even if you pay for it with credit card

[K Frame]

Volunteers for the bone saw squad?

I'm first in line.

We just need a couple more people, and someone to hold the salt shakers.

[Nightfall]

I'll avoid the obvious comments I have regarding how disturbing this is, and instead point out how surprised I was about the paid subscription via credit card to a child porn site. I'd always imagined it as a few sickos trading stuff through IMs/e-mails or something.

[Jamisjockey]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=40189

Local Pastor Arrested On Child Porn Charges


Eric Young



Young, 58, is the lead pastor of Ft. Caroline United Methodist Church

 


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By Jackelyn Barnard
First Coast News

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- The lead pastor of a First Coast Church is under arrest, accused of downloading child pornography on the church's computer.

Friday afternoon, JSO vice made a surprise visit to Eric Young's Northside home.

Young, 58, is the lead pastor of Ft. Caroline United Methodist Church.

Church members, who did not want us to share their names, tell us Young has been the pastor of the church for about a year.

They say about three weeks ago, Young was put on leave suddenly.

First Coast News has learned, in mid-June, Bellsouth alerted the Church that someone was visting porn websites.

"Members of the church called to report they had seen pornography and they believed it was child pornography on the pastor's computer in his office," says Lt. Mike Gwynes of the JSO vice squad.

Police say they did forensic testing on the church's computer and found that it was child porn.

"Based on analysis, it was child porn and it could have only been placed there by the pastor," says Lt. Gwynes.

Lt. Gwynes says all kinds of porn were on there, but the basis for the arrest was a video of child porn.

According to the police report, it was a young girl. The video's name was, "Three year old gets raped..."

Police arrested Young at his home and booked him in jail.

The United Methodist Church's District Superintendent, Richard Neal, released this statement to First Coast News:

"We've taken the situation very seriously. He was removed from his responsibilties immediately and with his agreement he stepped aside. I'm disappointed. I'm concerned for our congregation and I'm concerned for our pastor."

Neal says Young could face formal church charges and a church trial. That trial would decide whether or not Young would keep in pastoral license.

[ilbob]

I just cannot understand an addiction to mere images that would convince someone to be so stupid as to download them unto a PC at his place of employment. One has to wonder what other really stupid things he is doing at this place of employment while viewing said images.

[Bigjake]

figures

[MechAg94]

Police say they did forensic testing on the church's computer and found that it was child porn.

This would be funny if not for the subject matter.

In some of these cases, I wonder if they are arresting someone for one image that "might" be questionable, but then they mention "three year old raped" or something else similar and you realize it is no accident.  Yes, porn at work is pretty stupid, but it does seem to happen a lot more than you would think. 

[Matthew Carberry]

Well, it's an addiction, it's a disease, these people are the true victims.

Why are we punishing them?

They need understanding and help from society, not shame and incarceration.

After all, think of the chil...  wait, don't think about them. 

Think of the true victim, the helpless addict. 

[Mannlicher]

funny stuff.  I saw it earlier today, and was remarking to my wife that his behavior is SO typical of his ilk.

[Matthew Carberry]

I don't know that a director of the ACLU being a pedophile is any more typical than a pastor being one.

Definitely more ironic than the pastor, given the "free speech" angle.

[gunsmith]

most liberals think the ACLU is just interested in fairness and free speech.
If that were true they would take up conservative causes as well.
Insipid liberals confuse the ACLU defending the Skokie nazi march as a conservative thing.

The ACLU hates children and thinks that children are here to serve the sexual needs
of liberal adults (this arrest cements my opinion)

they attack Boy Scouts, give free legal advice to NAMBLA.
Represented a NAMBLA member who kidnapped, raped and killed a little boy.

Notice how much this story is dominating the news?

[RevDisk]

I'll avoid the obvious comments I have regarding how disturbing this is, and instead point out how surprised I was about the paid subscription via credit card to a child porn site. I'd always imagined it as a few sickos trading stuff through IMs/e-mails or something.

No, unfortunately, it's not.  It's an industry, and not a small one at that.  Human slavery is still a big trade, too.  I'd recommend picking up a couple books by Andrew Vachss.  Or ask to hear the horror stories any AG or prosecutor that's had to work the family court can tell you.  It's not small numbers.  Stories I've heard here in the States rival any war crimes I've seen.

PETA always amused me.  Humans are never as cruel to animals as they are to other humans.   

While many folks hear will chuckle or point out this one guy as a reason to distrust the ACLU as a whole, there's plenty of folks out there that have done the same.  Reading up on the last batch of Catholic sex abuse charges as one over-publicized example.  Plenty of judges, priests, politicians, etc have been caught, convicted and sentenced.

A very well connected Republican politician named Larry King organized a child molestation ring that went rather high up into government.  By blackmailing his clients, he bought a large amount of protection.  Marc Dutroux ran a Belgian network that ran very high into European and American governments. 

For any folks who think because I'm pragmatic, I somehow condone these freaks.  Let me express my feelings in a very clear manner.  Such people need to be either executed or isolated from humanity on a permanent basis.  Not for what they've done, which would justify such treatment by itself, but moreso to prevent future victims.  I know more than a few victims.  Mental scars cut deeper than physical ones.  They last a hell of a lot longer too.  Most of the jail sentences are a joke, with a handful of exemptions.  Incest sentences are even more lenient.

The 'professional' freaks are very intelligent, and thus very dangerous.  I heard one story going around the LE community of freaks' lawyers plea bargaining UP to avoid getting on the registry.  Instead of rape, pleaing to attempted murder or whatever so they can avoid getting put on the sex offenders registry.   Another cute trick was getting sentenced to "chemical castration" such as tamoxifen.  Looks good on paper as a means of punishing sex offenders.  In reality, they get testosterone shots to neutralize the tamoxifen or Depo Provera.  Testosterone is not a controlled substance, and thus shady docs have virtually no way of getting caught for reversing chemical castration.  The blackmarket health care industry is larger than most people would believe as well, more diverse as well.   Another 'popular' trend amoung organized rings is to engage in "Satanic abuse".  In other words, they wear costumes and dress up sex crimes in so-called Satanic ritual.  When the kid testifies before the court, he or she sounds insane.

[CAnnoneer]

After going through this thread, I have an almost uncontrollable desire to see "Judge Dredd" again.

[Manedwolf]

This thread also makes me quite glad my state has seen fit to legislate that deadly force is justified to stop the commission of sexual assault or kidnapping being perpetrated upon another individual.

[Standing Wolf]

...Rust-Tierney allegedly used his e-mail address and credit card to subscribe to and access a child pornography website.

Not only vicious and evil, but stupid. It's time for a short rope and a long drop.

[LadySmith]

"Vicious and evil" is correct. Notice how they're never "sick" until after they get caught.
Andrew Vachss is my favorite author.
And I'd try to bump you out of first place in that line, Mike.

[Pb]

The ACLU used to support legal ownership of child #### on first ammendment grounds.  I have been unable to find that this is current policy however.

[wooderson]

The ACLU hates children and thinks that children are here to serve the sexual needs
of liberal adults (this arrest cements my opinion)

This is simply absurd.

they attack Boy Scouts, give free legal advice to NAMBLA.
Represented a NAMBLA member who kidnapped, raped and killed a little boy.

They don't "attack Boy Scouts" - they challenge the idea that a discriminatory organization can receive federal monies. Once the Boy Scouts are fully private, they're free to assign all the "God Hates Fags" merit badges they please and the ACLU doesn't care.

They didn't represent any "NAMBLA member" - the represented the organization in a lawsuit raised by the victim's family. It was rather akin to families suing firearms manufacturers, actually. And we all know that's evil, right?

[Perd Hapley]

They don't "attack Boy Scouts" - they challenge the idea that a discriminatory organization can receive federal monies. Once the Boy Scouts are fully private, they're free to assign all the "God Hates Fags" merit badges they please and the ACLU doesn't care.

And your comments aren't an attack on the Boy Scouts, either, I presume?

[wooderson]

Not really, no.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

They didn't represent any "NAMBLA member" - the represented the organization in a lawsuit raised by the victim's family. It was rather akin to families suing firearms manufacturers, actually. And we all know that's evil, right?

The analogy is inaccurate.  Gun manufacturers don't support, promote, or advocate for the "right" to commit horrible and disgusting crimes against defenseless victims.  NAMBLA does. 

they attack Boy Scouts, give free legal advice to NAMBLA.
Represented a NAMBLA member who kidnapped, raped and killed a little boy.

They don't "attack Boy Scouts" - they challenge the idea that a discriminatory organization can receive federal monies. Once the Boy Scouts are fully private, they're free to assign all the "God Hates Fags" merit badges they please and the ACLU doesn't care.

Really?  Just how many "God hates fags" merit badges does the BSA hand out every year?

Here's an idea that the ACLU could benefit from:  Christians are just as entitled to their beliefs and lifestyles as "fags" (your term, not mine) are to theirs.

[wooderson]

And the ACLU would (and did) argue that NAMBLA's materials do not encourage rape and murder (any moreso than a gun company's materials encourage assault and mass shootings). That you and I find NAMBLA's beliefs abhorrent is irrelevant. And NAMBLA's promotion of pederasty is irrelevant as well: the suit wasn't over that, it was over NAMBLA's role in the murder and rape of a child.

The connection was quite tenuous in that case, really - the attacker was found 'in possession' of some NAMBLA materials (which did not, of course, explain how to commit the acts he committed). There's no causal chain between NAMBLA and the act. (Do you believe "the violent video game made me kill those people"?)

In gun suits, the perp actually has to use a company's product to commit a crime.

A lawsuit which has never occurred, but would be relevant here - a trainee of Gunsite or wherever goes nuts, slaughters a lot of people, shoots a bunch of cops before being captured. Should victims be able to sue Gunsite because they taught the wackjob how to use his weapons in a manner that later allowed him to kill a large number of people?

[Manedwolf]

I think the point was that if BSA endorses a belief-based position, they're receiving federal monies taken from taxpayers while doing so.

NAMBLA is just a bunch of people who endorse committing a horrible crime, and ought to be locked up. That's not free speech, it's conspiracy to commit crimes.