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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on December 06, 2023, 11:20:01 AM
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I don't get it, and I'm pretty sure it's not a Boomer thing, because I didn't get any of the disco queens when I was in my 20s and listening to garage rock of the time.
To preface, good for her for being ridiculously successful. This is America, she seems to have worked hard, and work+success is the American dream.
Otherwise, I can honestly say that I've never once consciously listened to one of her songs, nor could I identify one if I heard it. I'm sure I've heard one in the background of something or other without knowing who the artist was. I guess she was just made Time's person of the year for being the most successful celebrity in the history of celebrities. Her fan base seems to border on the insane for all things Taylor Swift, and if I see one more headline about her and her new boyfriend, I'm going to scream. I get being a fan, but it's almost a religious zealot thing with these swifties.
Up until recently, she was apparently apolitical in her public persona, but is now getting into politics. I saw where she was going to be pitching for her fans to vote for Brandon, which they will if she tells them to. That kind of fame, with those kinds of fans, is a little dangerous. JMO.
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Yeah, you can hardly find a news site that doesn't have a headline telling you who's the current member of her boyfriend of the month club.
And as to her fans she's gotten to the point of being the Borg queen to them.
If she does goes full on Brandon I would love to see her reaction if the current member of the boyfriend of the month club came out and endorsed Trump. [popcorn]
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She makes decent pop music. Catchy tunes and decent lyrics, if a little heavily tilted towards lost love and "nobody gets me".
If you like pop music, or are listening to it in the background of another activity it's a lot better than most of the music in that genre. It seems to have struck a cord with a whole bunch of teens and twenty somethings, and now probably thirty somethings.
As for the crazy fans, same thing that drove the Beatles fans, or any other crazy population. Some folks take their music hero's too seriously.
I'm normally a metal and hard rock guy, but if I'm driving with the wife and she has Tay-Tay on her playlist, it's loads better than any of the interchangeable acoustic guitar and soft voiced male Ed Sherran wannabes that she also listens to.
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She makes decent pop music. Catchy tunes and decent lyrics, if a little heavily tilted towards lost love and "nobody gets me".
If you like pop music, or are listening to it in the background of another activity it's a lot better than most of the music in that genre. It seems to have struck a cord with a whole bunch of teens and twenty somethings, and now probably thirty somethings.
As for the crazy fans, same thing that drove the Beatles fans, or any other crazy population. Some folks take their music hero's too seriously.
I'm normally a metal and hard rock guy, but if I'm driving with the wife and she has Tay-Tay on her playlist, it's loads better than any of the interchangeable acoustic guitar and soft voiced male Ed Sherran wannabes that she also listens to.
Agreement on her music, it's way better than 90+% of what else is out there.
And on the comparison of her fans to the Beatles's fans, yep. It has always given me the creeps the way some people idolize celebrities.
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I liked her music a LOT better when she was on the Country charts.
Since she's switched over to pop-centric music?
Not really.
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She makes decent pop music. Catchy tunes and decent lyrics
Sure, I get that. Though we have had similar artists pop up pretty much every 5-10 years. She, or at least her fan base, just seems to be exponentially bigger than any other pop stars that I remember in my adult life. For, as stated, "decent pop music". It's just an interesting phenomenon to me. I mean, they talk about "What Taylor Swift had for lunch yesterday" and similar pretty much every day on the Fox Business for crying out loud.
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Just looked it up, she's 33. Think she'll hit the "oh my god I'm getting old!" stage and hit the drugs and bottle and start looking like a plastic surgeon's Etch-A-Sketch after she hits 40?
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Sure, I get that. Though we have had similar artists pop up pretty much every 5-10 years. She, or at least her fan base, just seems to be exponentially bigger than any other pop stars that I remember in my adult life. For, as stated, "decent pop music". It's just an interesting phenomenon to me. I mean, they talk about "What Taylor Swift had for lunch yesterday" and similar pretty much every day on the Fox Business for crying out loud.
Agreed. I think Taylor is like a once every 25-35 year pop-star phenom. A Michael Jackson level pop star. I seem to recall Madonna being this big in the 80's, although I didn't hang out with her fans, so I don't know if they were this virulent. Every now and then you get someone with real talent hooked up with the right producers and image managers, at the right time in societal music tastes and you get one of these stars.
The aforementioned Beatles and MJ, Elvis, Maybe David Bowie?, Queen, you get these stars every now and then.
On the fans, I do think that Social Media makes it a little worse, because there's so much "personal" interaction with the Star, it's easy for borderline personalities to feel a super strong connection that isn't really there. I think Beyonce and her B-Hive are as bad or worse than Swifties.
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On the fans, I do think that Social Media makes it a little worse, because there's so much "personal" interaction with the Star, it's easy for borderline personalities to feel a super strong connection that isn't really there.
I wonder about that. Specifically, how much of the persona that is displayed by the marketing is actually the real personality. In the end, I guess it doesn't really matter. They're reaching out to fans that think they have a hot line to a star; they'll believe whatever their phone tells them to believe.
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Much more than just being a pop star, Swift is also an incredibly savvy business person. She has her hand in virtually every aspect of running her operations and she's been incredibly good at it to a degree rarely seen in the industry.
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I wonder about that. Specifically, how much of the persona that is displayed by the marketing is actually the real personality. In the end, I guess it doesn't really matter. They're reaching out to fans that think they have a hot line to a star; they'll believe whatever their phone tells them to believe.
That's why I put "Personal" in quotes. I'm sure the feed and interactions are curated by a team to one degree or another, but the dopamine hit is real.
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If I want canned pop, I'll open a pepsi.
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From what little I've incidentally read, I have to agree with the business acumen. Kudos.
But lemmings beget lemmings. The total number of lemmings involved seems to be influenced by the number of other lemmings who become aware of the stampede on the net.
One tiny little ray of hope: if she's that sharp in business, etc., she might see through the chicanery and foolish positioning of the Leftist community and come out for R and Vice-R in 2024.
Or at least keeps her mouth shut.
One hopes a teeny tiny little forlorn itty bitty hope.
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One tiny little ray of hope: if she's that sharp in business, etc., she might see through the chicanery and foolish positioning of the Leftist community and come out for R and Vice-R in 2024.
Or at least keeps her mouth shut.
If she did that openly that would probably alienate a rather large % of her fan and thus money base.
My guess is either she will come out lefty or keep her mouth shut, which would be the wisest choice IMHO, in order to maintain the money flow.
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My guess is either she will come out lefty
She has already done that regarding abortion and support for dems. I heard it on fox business, but just did a quick gazoogle. This is likely in line with a good 70% of her fan base, I would guess.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/taylor-swift-endorses-joe-biden-president-n1242483
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-recalls-when-she-learned-joe-biden-won-election-9496116/
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<sigh> Oh, well. <snif>
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Some of her music is tolerable. She will have Elon musk money soon. The decision to re-release all her old albums since she couldn't buy back the masters is genius.
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<sigh> Oh, well. <snif>
Guess asking her out is out of the question now?
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One of the last refuges of anything Taylor Swift and along comes Boomer Ben and kills it is a matter of minutes with nothing more than undisciplined posting. Remember kids, think twice, post once. =| :rofl:
bob
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One of the last refuges of anything Taylor Swift and along comes Boomer Ben and kills it is a matter of minutes with nothing more than undisciplined posting. Remember kids, think twice, post once. =| :rofl:
bob
You're welcome!
=D
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Guess asking her out is out of the question now?
I'd rather pursue Jeff Bezos' ex . . . but if I tried it, instead of billions, all I'd get is a restraining order. If I was lucky. :police:
. . . Up until recently, she was apparently apolitical in her public persona, but is now getting into politics. I saw where she was going to be pitching for her fans to vote for Brandon, which they will if she tells them to. That kind of fame, with those kinds of fans, is a little dangerous. JMO.
Hmmm . . . someone should write a book about that sort of thing.
Wait - someone DID!
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I'd rather pursue Jeff Bezos' ex . . . but if I tried it, instead of billions, all I'd get is a restraining order. If I was lucky. :police:
Along those lines
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Some of her music is tolerable. She will have Elon musk money soon. The decision to re-release all her old albums since she couldn't buy back the masters is genius.
No she won't. She would need almost 250 times for current net worth to have Elon money.
Landing rockets is profitable.
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Taylor Swift is worth approximately $1.1 billion.
Elon Musk tips that much at the nudie bar on a Saturday night.
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Taylor Swift is worth approximately $1.1 billion.
Elon Musk tips that much at the nudie bar on a Saturday night.
+ child support
Man can not keep his zipper up.
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+ child support
Man can not keep his zipper up.
I thought that sort of thing was frowned upon at most nudie bars.
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I'm shocked - shocked! - that old dudes aren't into T-Swiff's music.
That being said, I do miss the days when a man could come home and watch some Taylor Swift on Monday nights, without having football shoved in his face.
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I thought that sort of thing was frowned upon at most nudie bars.
Not when your pocket change is enough to buy every nudie bar in town.
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Okay, WTF?
https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1732481722627899671
Saira Rao Sees TIME's Taylor Swift Cover, Tweets About 'White Love of Black and Brown Genocide'
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/06/saira-rao-sees-times-taylor-swift-cover-tweets-about-white-love-of-black-and-brown-genocide-n2390572
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Just looked it up, she's 33. Think she'll hit the "oh my god I'm getting old!" stage and hit the drugs and bottle and start looking like a plastic surgeon's Etch-A-Sketch after she hits 40?
Like Brittany Spears, who was the diva for a previous generation?
I'm like Ben -- I don't have any idea what her music sounds like and I wouldn't know it was her music if I heard it playing somewhere.
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Okay, WTF?
https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1732481722627899671
Saira Rao Sees TIME's Taylor Swift Cover, Tweets About 'White Love of Black and Brown Genocide'
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/06/saira-rao-sees-times-taylor-swift-cover-tweets-about-white-love-of-black-and-brown-genocide-n2390572
dat community note, tho =D
Some people are convinced that whites built our whole society* around screwing over people on their other side of the world. No, our ancestors were not concerned about their own happiness, their children's well-being, or pleasing the Almighty. It wasn't even about making money and chasing tail. Nope, it was all about being mean to brown people.
The kind of thing only education can fool you into believing.
*"society," singular, because all white people are the same
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Like Brittany Spears, who was the diva for a previous generation?
I'm like Ben -- I don't have any idea what her music sounds like and I wouldn't know it was her music if I heard it playing somewhere.
Of course. Most Zoomers don't know the Big Bopper from the Ink Spots. Or maybe Jenny Lind would be closer to your generation. :P
As I remember it, Spears was never more than one among many singing starlets of her generation, like Christina Aguilera, and other girls we don't remember anymore. Spears is mostly in the news now because she and her family are a train wreck.
Taylor Swift has always been taken a lot more seriously than those types, at least in the pop culture. Not by us, of course. I mean, we don't even worship Beyonce, so we're beyond redemption.
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Of course. Most Zoomers don't know the Big Bopper from the Ink Spots. Or maybe Jenny Lind would be closer to your generation. :P
As I remember it, Spears was never more than one among many singing starlets of her generation, like Christina Aguilera, and other girls we don't remember anymore. Spears is mostly in the news now because she and her family are a train wreck.
Taylor Swift has always been taken a lot more seriously than those types, at least in the pop culture. Not by us, of course. I mean, we don't even worship Beyonce, so we're beyond redemption.
That is sort of what I remember though I don't recall hearing much about her family. I never listened to her music, but her videos showed up on TV a lot. That is almost the same reason I know anything about Taylor Swift except maybe more internet exposure. I paid more attention to award shows and half time shows in the 90's maybe.
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I'm probably going to be banned for this ...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAtRqIFXIAANHrH?format=jpg&name=900x900
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Wrong thread, sorry.
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Okay, WTF?
https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1732481722627899671
Saira Rao Sees TIME's Taylor Swift Cover, Tweets About 'White Love of Black and Brown Genocide'
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/06/saira-rao-sees-times-taylor-swift-cover-tweets-about-white-love-of-black-and-brown-genocide-n2390572
WTF? Any acknowledgement of anyone white by anything is glorification of POC genocide.
Are you so white and racist that you don't know that?
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I'm probably going to be banned for this ...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAtRqIFXIAANHrH?format=jpg&name=900x900
And we should throw in a good flogging while we're at it. Where's the eye bleach?
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Are you so white and racist that you don't know that?
If I'm not reminded of how inherently racist I am because of my race at least every 15 minutes I forget.
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She has already done that regarding abortion and support for dems. I heard it on fox business, but just did a quick gazoogle. This is likely in line with a good 70% of her fan base, I would guess.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/taylor-swift-endorses-joe-biden-president-n1242483
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-recalls-when-she-learned-joe-biden-won-election-9496116/
If she's smart she better not say word about Hamas/Israel one way or the other.
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My daughters like her. My wife likes some of her older stuff. I wasn't overly bothered by media saturation because I tend to avoid media that focuses on celebrity news. However, now that our resident Swifty decided that APS needed a thread dedicated to her ...
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It is unfortunate that Taylor Swift uses her talent and platform to degenerate Christian sexual morality, and push left wing causes.
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It is unfortunate that Taylor Swift uses her talent and platform to degenerate Christian sexual morality, and push left wing causes.
That is, apparently, where the money is.
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That is, apparently, where the money is.
The Hell you say!
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It is unfortunate that Taylor Swift uses her talent and platform to degenerate Christian sexual morality, and push left wing causes.
I assume it is a result of who she surrounds herself with. She probably knows next to nothing substantive about those issues.
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<sigh> Oh, well. <snif>
Guess asking her out is out of the question now?
<sigh> Oh, well. <snif>
Actually, I dated a liberal lady between marriages. Boulder, Colorado, '86 or so. She was a bank executive; I figured a banker would be in touch with reality. Not so.
That was when I discovered that when a liberal mentions politics, they really just want an excuse to tell you about their politics.
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After Back-To-Back Losses, Chiefs Replace Taylor Swift With Selena Gomez
https://babylonbee.com/news/after-back-to-back-losses-chiefs-replace-taylor-swift-with-selena-gomez
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Squirrel!
Actual headline
"Travis Kelce is seen heading to Chiefs practice in his Rolls as 'squirle' dashes across the road - a day after Taylor Swift left for her 34th birthday celebrations with Selena Gomez in NYC"
A squirrel running in front of Taylor Swift's BF's car is headline news :facepalm:
BTW: The squirrel made it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12859991/Travis-Kelce-Rolls-squirrel-Taylor-Swift-birthday-celebrations-Selena-Gomez-NYC.html
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Some people are convinced that whites built our whole society* around screwing over people on their other side of the world. No, our ancestors were not concerned about their own happiness, their children's well-being, or pleasing the Almighty. It wasn't even about making money and chasing tail. Nope, it was all about being mean to brown people.
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Notable quotable.
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I tried real hard to listen to one of her new albums a couple of yrs ago- seemed good at the time but I can't recall anything special.
she is not anything like the Beatles, that is a terrible comparison.
the music industry is tightly controlled now, it is propaganda only - very few organic tunes are heard by folks these days .
I have old friends that made it in the music industry and more than a few that didn't , they were all angry with Oliver Anthony or what ever his name was - the rich man north of Richmond guy .
the music industry only allows left-ism and will attempt to drown out any alternative voices ( or really, really good music ) .
Mozart died 232 yrs ago last week, serious musicians still play his music, serious people listen to it.
232 yrs from now - people will know who The Beatles/Metallica were and serious people will play it and listen to it. ( as well as Mozart )
Which reminds me, go find Gamzada, her cover of Metallica's Unforgiven is remarkable
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232 yrs from now - people will know who The Beatles were and serious people will play it and listen to it.
I don't believe that. I'm an optimist.
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Shoot, I'm a pessimist and I don't even believe that. =D
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Shoot, I'm a pessimist and I don't even believe that. =D
ok, maybe, but Metallica for sure - check out this awesome rendition of a Metallica song by a gifted classical pianist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWvEaGL8P2Q
The Unforgiven - I never get tired of it
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https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2024/01/06/ny-times-opinion-taylor-swift-is-definitely-gay-n603213
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Dear New York Times
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I was actually more incredulous about this bit.
Swift’s accomplishments as an artist—culturally, critically, and commercially—are so legion that to recount them seems almost beside the point. As a pop star, she sits in rarefied company, alongside Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, and Madonna; as a songwriter, she has been compared to Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, and Joni Mitchell. As a businesswoman, she has built an empire worth, by some estimates, over $1 billion.
On the one hand, I find it doubtful she's as important a cultural icon as the other people named. On the other hand, I wouldn't know, because contra Time Magazine, her alleged accomplishments would need to be listed for me. Like millions upon millions of Americans, I wasn't paying attention to Taylor Swift, or any of her boyfriends. I thought the main character of 2023 (as with every year) was Jesus Christ. Or, if we're only counting mortal men, the main character of last year (as with the past 7-8 years) was the guy who's an existentialthreattoourdemocracy.
And get this:
...a celebrity—who by dint of being a woman is scrutinized for everything from whom she dates to what she wears...
:rofl:
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attoourdemocracy.
And get this:
...a celebrity—who by dint of being a woman is scrutinized for everything from whom she dates to what she wears...
:rofl:
And loving every minute of it.
Seriously, many of them seem to freak out if they're not
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"On the one hand, I find it doubtful she's as important a cultural icon as the other people named."
The article didn't say she's as important. It said she's among the others. But I have to agree with the article. She is a MAJOR cultural and economic force.
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Meh... I accidentally heard one of her songs the other evening - it was on an internet jukebox, and the only reason I knew it was her was because I pulled it up on my phone to play something that wasn't boring...
<BTW, Hawkwind was a psych band that had some guy named Lemmy playing bass for them...)
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"On the one hand, I find it doubtful she's as important a cultural icon as the other people named."
The article didn't say she's as important. It said she's among the others. But I have to agree with the article. She is a MAJOR cultural and economic force.
If she's not as important, why is she among them? I assumed they were not just going by ticket sales, but I could be wrong.
Other than being talked about a lot, and having very dedicated fans, do you think you could name 2 or 3 ways she's a "MAJOR cultural force"?
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"Other than being talked about a lot, and having very dedicated fans, do you think you could name 2 or 3 ways she's a "MAJOR cultural force"?"
Jesus wept, really?
Since you're apparently such an expert on modern culture, please give your learned opinion on how the others in that list DO qualify and Swift apparently doesn't.
And, since we're picking arbitrary numbers, please give 3.7927 reasons.
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OK, in simple terms...
You cannot gain the kind of continuous, multi-year media attention that Swift has garnered and not be a cultural force. Multi-media both reports on and helps define culture. A few weeks or months media attention is a flash in the pan. A decade plus? Major force factor.
Swift's battles with her previous label over ownership of her music masters has had a significant impact not just on the music industry but the entertainment industry in general and a growing impact on creative rights in all media.
And (unfortunately) she's also had a political impact on the broader culture. Whenever she's touted voter registration, registrations, especially among women, have surged. Political scientists have said she's behind only LeBron James in the overall effect she's had on American politics in the last decade, and based on surveying, she's been credited with helping swing several elections (unfortunately not in right direction).
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And (unfortunately) she's also had a political impact on the broader culture. Whenever she's touted voter registration, registrations, especially among women, have surged. Political scientists have said she's behind only LeBron James in the overall effect she's had on American politics in the last decade, and based on surveying, she's been credited with helping swing several elections (unfortunately not in right direction).
This is definitely one, which I hate. Not just directed at her and her politics (which for a long while she kept private), but any major celebrity, who while they may be masters of their craft, are more often than not no more educated on politics than the guy who hands you your food at the McDonalds. That goes for celebrity Biden supporters and Trump supporters. I would argue that she has had more effect than James, or any other celebrity that I can recall. Her public saturation is just astounding. I mean, given my normal interests and news and cultural source exposure, I should be one of the last people in the country to know anything about her, yet here I am talking about her.
The idea that celebrities like her can, and have, swayed voting, is somewhat frightening to me. And I don't know that I can even put most of the blame on the celebrities themselves. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion in the US, famous or not. It's the fact that they have worshipping fans that will do impactful things (based on their numbers) on just a word from them that is socially scary.
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I tried real hard to listen to one of her new albums a couple of yrs ago- seemed good at the time but I can't recall anything special.
she is not anything like the Beatles, that is a terrible comparison.
the music industry is tightly controlled now, it is propaganda only - very few organic tunes are heard by folks these days .
I have old friends that made it in the music industry and more than a few that didn't , they were all angry with Oliver Anthony or what ever his name was - the rich man north of Richmond guy .
the music industry only allows left-ism and will attempt to drown out any alternative voices ( or really, really good music ) .
Mozart died 232 yrs ago last week, serious musicians still play his music, serious people listen to it.
232 yrs from now - people will know who The Beatles/Metallica were and serious people will play it and listen to it. ( as well as Mozart )
Which reminds me, go find Gamzada, her cover of Metallica's Unforgiven is remarkable
I have heard a couple different people talk about trying to make it playing music without signing with a record company. Youtube has a lot music channels. I don't pay much attention to most of it. If someone can get popular on Youtube or other outlets, more power to them. I get the impression the music industry is far too controlled and wrapped up in legal rules that make it tough for new bands to get in from the outside.
I am not sure how current day music will be looked on decades from now. Once all the current fans die off, will bands still be heard? It seems to me we only have 80 or 100 years of history with the current media style. Only a small percentage of bands/musicians are remembered from any given decade. Assuming things continue sort of as they are, who knows what will be remembered 200 years from now. That is a very long time.
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James' political action impact has been primarily in the young African American community, primarily males.
Swift's political action impact has been primarily among younger females, but it is, apparently, less race dependent.
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"I am not sure how current day music will be looked on decades from now. Once all the current fans die off, will bands still be heard?"
No one ever is.
For much of his career, many critics figured Elvis Presley's music would die out when he died.
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Will you guys stop trying to date her!
:P
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Will you guys stop trying to date her!
:P
I don't need anymore nasty songs being sung about me.
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"Other than being talked about a lot, and having very dedicated fans, do you think you could name 2 or 3 ways she's a "MAJOR cultural force"?"
Jesus wept, really?
Since you're apparently such an expert on modern culture, please give your learned opinion on how the others in that list DO qualify and Swift apparently doesn't.
And, since we're picking arbitrary numbers, please give 3.7927 reasons.
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OK, in simple terms...
You cannot gain the kind of continuous, multi-year media attention that Swift has garnered and not be a cultural force. Multi-media both reports on and helps define culture. A few weeks or months media attention is a flash in the pan. A decade plus? Major force factor.
Swift's battles with her previous label over ownership of her music masters has had a significant impact not just on the music industry but the entertainment industry in general and a growing impact on creative rights in all media.
And (unfortunately) she's also had a political impact on the broader culture. Whenever she's touted voter registration, registrations, especially among women, have surged. Political scientists have said she's behind only LeBron James in the overall effect she's had on American politics in the last decade, and based on surveying, she's been credited with helping swing several elections (unfortunately not in right direction).
I recall specifically disavowing any expertise on Swift. I don't claim to know the cultural significance of the others, either. I've long heard that Swift is a big influence on young women, but without any specifics. What you posted was interesting. Thanks.
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Whoops, you're right, you did, I missed that and assumed that you were in the "girls don't have any significance at all" or "she's pretty and has a nice body so that's the only thing going for her" crowd that I've seen dismissing her over the past 20 years.
That started hard core when she absolutely cleaned up at the Grammys or AMCs when she was 16 or 17.
That same attitude has been rolled out for decades as a means of dismissing Dolly Parton's accomplishments.
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this is why we need to vote for Kanye West, he is the only one who can keep us safe from Swift and her minions!
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this is why we need to vote for Kanye West, he is the only one who can keep us safe from Swift and her minions!
Ha - I forgot about that. I think it may have been the first time I'd paid any attention to the name.
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Whoops, you're right, you did, I missed that and assumed that you were in the "girls don't have any significance at all" or "she's pretty and has a nice body so that's the only thing going for her" crowd that I've seen dismissing her over the past 20 years.
No, that's Candace Owens. :lol:
I think I heard early-on that she writes her own songs (or at least most of them). I heard a lot of singer-songwriter stuff when I was growing up, so I respect that. On the other hand, I guess I'm just a little skeptical of most claims about the cultural influence of pop stars. I mean, they can't all be the Wyld Stallyns. :laugh:
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@thepocketgeek
Whelp. Taylor Swift saw her shadow in Baltimore, so we get two more weeks of Taylor Swift.
https://twitter.com/thepocketgeek/status/1751745565916860805
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Trump Promises If Elected He Will Ban Taylor Swift From Football Games
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-promises-if-elected-he-will-ban-taylor-swift-from-football-games
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Trump Promises If Elected He Will Ban Taylor Swift From Football Games
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-promises-if-elected-he-will-ban-taylor-swift-from-football-games
Swift is a witch - & I can prove it, if her BF's team wins the SuperBowl, it is one of her spells.
If they lose, it absolutely proves she's a witch.
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Swift is a witch - & I can prove it, if her BF's team wins the SuperBowl, it is one of her spells.
If they lose, it absolutely proves she's a witch.
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Her success means she might be a witch. Dunk her for fifteen minutes. If she drowns, she wasn't a witch. If she lives, she was a witch, so burn her.
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Enter the Babylon Bee:
https://babylonbee.com/news/conservatives-uncover-democrat-plot-to-turn-taylor-swift-into-an-international-pop-star-and-the-kansas-city-chiefs-into-a-dynasty-so-swift-could-date-a-chiefs-player-and-leverage-the-collecti
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I'd vote for her over Biden...
I wonder how many people she employs?
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Trump Promises If Elected He Will Ban Taylor Swift From Football Games
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-promises-if-elected-he-will-ban-taylor-swift-from-football-games
Sorry, that's not enough to get me to start watching football.
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I'd vote for her over Biden...
I wonder how many people she employs?
According to the always trusty internet she will soon be coming out in support of Biden
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Her advisors would be smart to tell her to stay the hell out of politics. They carefully assess the proportion of people you would piss off. And it seems that percentage may change on a day-to-day basis.
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According to the always trusty internet she will soon be coming out in support of Biden
It isn't the first time. Doesn't the GOP/non-MSM have more pressing issues to deal with other than who is endorsing Biden? Just wondering out loud. ;)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/taylor-swift-endorses-joe-biden-president-n1242483
bob
ETA: and now I feel even more diminished because this is the 2nd time I have posted on a Taylor Swift thread, damn you Ben!!!!! ;)
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ETA: and now I feel even more diminished because this is the 2nd time I have posted on a Taylor Swift thread, damn you Ben!!!!! ;)
Happy to be of service. =D
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It isn't the first time. Doesn't the GOP/non-MSM have more pressing issues to deal with other than who is endorsing Biden? Just wondering out loud. ;)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/taylor-swift-endorses-joe-biden-president-n1242483
bob
ETA: and now I feel even more diminished because this is the 2nd time I have posted on a Taylor Swift thread, damn you Ben!!!!! ;)
Everyone online is trying to ride the wave of public interest and do videos or articles on whatever brings in the views/clicks. I always figured that was why all the daily conservative radio shows would focus on whatever was big in D.C. It was news that was easy to access and there was always something new. Other issues probably require more knowledge and more research/work to talk about.
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Her advisors would be smart to tell her to stay the hell out of politics. They carefully assess the proportion of people you would piss off. And it seems that percentage may change on a day-to-day basis.
Yeah, it's too late. If I remember right, she was apolitical at first, but was shamed into taking a side some years ago. (Or threatened; I don't know how it works.)
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Enter the Babylon Bee:
https://babylonbee.com/news/conservatives-uncover-democrat-plot-to-turn-taylor-swift-into-an-international-pop-star-and-the-kansas-city-chiefs-into-a-dynasty-so-swift-could-date-a-chiefs-player-and-leverage-the-collecti
I don't get the joke. They're saying that's too far-fetched? Sounds like a joke headline from 5 years ago, when stuff like that sounded ridiculous.
Perhaps they've never heard of the 2019 NATO Cooperative Cyber Defense Center of Excellence conference.
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The real question is if Kelce wins will she cost herself billions by finally putting out a decent BJ and thus derailing a never ending revenue stream of breakup songs.
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Yeah, it's too late. If I remember right, she was apolitical at first, but was shamed into taking a side some years ago. (Or threatened; I don't know how it works.)
This is what I recall as well. I suppose you could call it a business decision, since "coming out" with a leftist stance would resonate with a majority of her fan base.
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A few years ago Swift did make a charming music video ridiculing Christians with traditional sexual morality.
Stunning and brave.
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I guess my tinfoil lid is just a little too tight, as I find it odd that some on the right (the Babylon Bee & Ben Shapiro) are taking pains to strawman and mock the conspiracy theories about Taylor Swift & her boyfriend. It's probably the tamest and most believable conspiracy theory I can think of, but they seem to be purposely exaggerating it into some years-long narrative, with conspirators creating two celebrities, ex nihilo, just to sell vaccines or win an election (depending on which version of the theory we're talking about). Huh?
This is hardly the first time people have wondered if a celebrity relationship was really just a business arrangement, or that celebrities have been accused of doing what's politically expedient. So why all the fuss?
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It’s hard to draw any concrete conclusions here, and as of now, I suspect that if there is a psyop here, it’s that there’s been a psyop to convince the public that large numbers of Republican voters believe Taylor Swift is a psyop.
https://thefederalist.com/2024/02/01/stop-trying-to-make-taylor-swift-is-a-psyop-happen/
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So who's watching the Swifter Bowl?
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I'd be more likely to watch if it were actually the Swifter Bowl. Taylor, for all her faults, is less criminal, degenerate, and all around reprehensible than the NFL.
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I'd be more likely to watch if it were actually the Swifter Bowl. Taylor, for all her faults, is less criminal, degenerate, and all around reprehensible than the NFL.
And much better looking, too.
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https://twitter.com/YesThatVCharles/status/1756873280739332587
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The Chiefs will win the super bowl so that they make their White House appearance to meet the president and for Taylor Swift to endorse Joe Biden while visiting.
— Nate Kent 𝕏 (@PerrodinNathan) January 31, 2024
WHOA: Adjust Your Tinfoil Because THIS Tweet Predicted the Super Bowl Nearly 2 WEEKS Before the Game
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/12/nate-kent-post-predicts-the-super-bowl-like-literally-n2392847
He had a 50/50 chance on the 1st point. On the 2nd we'll see
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https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/02/12/occupy-democrats-gets-community-note-on-kelce-tweet-n2392829
Taylor Swift’s boyfriend Jason Kelce and his Kansas City Chiefs just won’t the NFL Super Bowl. Cry me a river, Trumpers!
Wrong Kelce, "won't" instead of "won," and weren't the "Trumpers" famously predicting a Chiefs win?
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Travis Kelce liked a photo of Trump and holy cow the reaction
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13315365/the-view-defend-travis-kelce-donald-trump-post-taylor-swift-maga.html
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These people are nuts. I am curious how many people are actually in on this stuff. In other areas with other people, the actual number of screaming people online is on the small side.