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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on September 23, 2016, 11:38:24 PM
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http://www.goskagit.com/news/local_news/four-confirmed-dead-in-cascade-mall-shooting/article_3818b5e3-3f25-5e68-9a7d-bb117e413a94.html
This is about 30 miles from me and is in Sumpnz's back yard. A very whitebread area but the local town does have a Hispanic gang problem.
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I was volunteering at a garage sale fund raiser and left a little after 7PM. This would explain all the cops heading west on Hwy 20 about 7:15.
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I hear the mall shooting industry is hurting from rising labor costs and has to resort to illegals, recent immigrants, and IH8-U visa holders from the middle east.
So sad that we cant pay good americans to shoot up mall patrons every month or so like they used to back in the 1950s.
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Latest information is that a Hispanic male carrying a hunting rifle with a sling shot five people in the makeup section of Macy's: four women and a male. The male was airlifted to Harborview where he subsequently died. Still no leads on the suspect and no other information on the victims.
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Sounds pretty targeted rather than the random spray of most mall shootings we hear about.
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Latest information is that a Hispanic male carrying a hunting rifle with a sling shot five people in the makeup section of Macy's: four women and a male. The male was airlifted to Harborview where he subsequently died. Still no leads on the suspect and no other information on the victims.
1. Some people are really, seriously opposed to animal testing.
2. If only assault slings were still banned...
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I am SOOOOO disgusted by the current trend of the aw-thaw-rih-tays to immediately start running off at the mouth to claim that everything is okay after a mass shooting, even when they have no clue what's going on. This incident is a case in point:
http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2016/09/23/authorities-4-dead-in-shooting-at-cascade-mall/
Authorities say the motive was unknown for the shooting about 60 miles (97 kilometers) north of Seattle.
The FBI was assisting local authorities as dozens of police officers searched for the suspect. The FBI’s Seattle office said on Twitter that it “has no information to suggest additional attacks planned” in Washington state but did not elaborate.
So we have five people dead, the shooter has not been captured or even identified, they have no idea what the motive was, but the FBI makes a statement that they have "no information to suggest additional attacks are planned." Okay, but they also have no information to suggest that additional attacks are NOT planned, so just STFU and do your job, idiot.
Oh, yes -- and there are five people dead but it wasn't terrorism -- even though we don't know who the shooter was or what his motive was.
Nothing to see here, move along, move along.
For those in the area: Is the Cascade Mall a gun-free zone, either by state law or by posting?
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It would not be a gun free zone due to law but if like nearly every other mall in WA state it would be posted as such with a fairly inconspicuous sign at the entrances when it talks about mall rules. I can't be positive about that mall but the ones in Spokane are posted that way.
bob
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It is so posted. I have been there and seen the signs. I cannot think of any mall in the state that I have been to that does not have such signs; either at the entrance or in the rules of conduct posting.
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It is so posted. I have been there and seen the signs. I cannot think of any mall in the state that I have been to that does not have such signs; either at the entrance or in the rules of conduct posting.
Do those signs have the force of law behind them, or under WA law do they have to meet some specific requirements for size and verbiage?
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"Cammock said the shooter entered the mall, apparently without a gun but about 10 minutes later entered Macy's with a rifle and began shooting."
This indicates a higher level of pre planning- did he smuggle the rifle in some other way, or did someone else bring it in for him, through an employees entrance?
They have recovered the weapon, although there is no description.
If they want an ID, they should put up the video as well as still photos- body movement can have a "tell" as much as a photo.
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Do those signs have the force of law behind them, or under WA law do they have to meet some specific requirements for size and verbiage?
WA state owns all of the gun laws here, the localities are very limited in what they can do. There is a very specific set of areas off limits to carrying a weapon, portions of a building used for court proceedings, restricted areas of jails, restricted access areas of a public mental health facility, portions of an establishment classified as off limits to persons under 21 years of age by the state liquor control board (bars) and restricted access areas of airports are among the areas off limits.
A mall, store or what ever can post what they want but they do not have the force of the law behind them. They will usually ask you to leave and if you refuse you can be trespassed.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300
bob
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North African is the new Hispanic.
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Guy don't look Mexican to me. Hair is wrong and completion is odd.
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A mall, store or what ever can post what they want but they do not have the force of the law behind them. They will usually ask you to leave and if you refuse you can be trespassed.
Well, then, somebody screwed up. Why didn't they just ask him to leave?
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Well, then, somebody screwed up. Why didn't they just ask him to leave?
Funny you should say that.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/22/watch-daily-shows-trevor-noah-accidentally-destroy-case-gun-control/
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NO 230RNS ALLOWED
Ooops, sorry. Me go now.
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My wife and I were just commenting on the video stills that show the perpetrator holding the rifle. He is not wearing gloves, so there should be fingerprints. Given that authorities have not released his name, he must not be in the system and there are no prints on record.
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Local news is now reporting that the 20 year old suspect was captured alive in Oak Harbor.
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Just saw the news:
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/crime/article/Burlington-mall-shooting-suspect-killed-5-9259163.php
I've seen two articles, and the first thing I noticed is that they conspicuously have NOT mentioned either his name or his ethnicity.
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http://www.king5.com/news/local/five-people-dead-in-cascade-mall-shooting-in-burlington/324940198
BURLINGTON, Wash. -- A 20-year-old man was arrested Saturday in the shooting at a Burlington mall that left five people dead.
The man was arrested in Oak Harbor before 7 p.m. Saturday, about 24 hours after the shooting at Cascade Mall that left four females and one male dead.
A highly-placed source tells KING 5 News that there is no apparent connection between the suspect and the victims, leading to the possibility this was a random attack.
A random mass shooting in Burlington, of all places. Not a place that I would necessarily be carrying; and I have to ponder that.
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Keep us updated this could fade from national news quickly.
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And here's what's wrong with what passes for "journalism" today -- from the LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-washington-mall-shooting-20160924-snap-story.html
The first two paragraphs of this story do actually mention that a suspect has been arrested. It appears the entire rest of the article is just recycled material about the shooting itself. Remember -- this is supposed to be an article about the arrest of the suspect:
"We do not have an identity on the individual yet," said Lt. Chris Cammock, a spokesman for the Mount Vernon Police Department, which is assisting with the investigation. "We could certainly use the community's help."
If he's been arrested, haven't you identified him? How did the Oak Harbor police know who to arrest? But ... that quote was from much earlier, before the suspect was arrested. That's how we know the bulk of the article is just recycled verbiage from previous stories.
And then there's this:
Investigators said that though it was too early to ascribe a motive to the assault, there was no indication at this stage that the killings were an act of terrorism.
There is also no indication that it was NOT an act of terrorism, so shut your pie hole until you know something.
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And we have a name!
http://mynorthwest.com/400470/cascade-mall-shooting-burlington/
Arcan Cetin. I have no idea what kind of name that is. It could be Hispanic, but my late wife was a Latina, I've spent a lot of time in her native country, and I've never encountered a name like that. It could also be middle eastern. Stay tuned.
[Edit] And ... He's a Turkish Muslim.
http://100percentfedup.com/breaking-got-him-washington-mall-shooter-who-killed-5-arrested-motive-and-background/
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Just saw the USA today article with more pics. Looks middle eastern not Hispanic to me from the bad pics. I'm hoping we don't have a trend starting of quick one person hits starting to happen every week or so.
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Crap just google his name
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http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/arcan-cetin-cascade-mall-burlington-washington-shooting-suspect-shooter-name/
He used a .22 rifle that he stole from his father. A native of Turkey, he graduated from Oak Harbor High School in 2015.
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I just updated my spreadsheet to include the St. Cloud Mall stabbings, and this incident. I also stumbled across a theater shooting in Lafayette, LA, in July of 2015 that I didn't know about. I'm certain I've missed more than one, but I spent a lot of time on-line looking for mass killings, and I entered every one I could find going all the way back to 1784.
Some interesting statistics come out of this. The Democrats are gung-ho to ban so-called "assault" weapons, but they're also all in favor of admitting Muslims from terrorist hotbeds into the U.S. So take a look at these numbers:
Total number killed in mass murder type incidents: 3,724. Number killed by "assault" weapons: 122 (3.28%). Number killed by Muslim terrorists: 3,056 (82.06%).
Total number wounded/injured in mass murder type incidents: 7,528. Number wounded/injured by "assault" weapons: 155 (2.06%). Number wounded/injured by Muslim terrorists: 6,406 (85.10%).
I think the Democrats have their priorities misaligned.
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I again propose that we make a deal to allow more rape-ugees, if the Left first joins us in repealing NFA, GCA, etc. And every state would need to allow open/concealed/machine gun carry, etc. Bring 'em in, if you want. We'll all tool up to keep an eye on 'em.
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I just updated my spreadsheet to include the St. Cloud Mall stabbings, and this incident. I also stumbled across a theater shooting in Lafayette, LA, in July of 2015 that I didn't know about. I'm certain I've missed more than one, but I spent a lot of time on-line looking for mass killings, and I entered every one I could find going all the way back to 1784.
Some interesting statistics come out of this. The Democrats are gung-ho to ban so-called "assault" weapons, but they're also all in favor of admitting Muslims from terrorist hotbeds into the U.S. So take a look at these numbers:
Total number killed in mass murder type incidents: 3,724. Number killed by "assault" weapons: 122 (3.28%). Number killed by Muslim terrorists: 3,056 (82.06%).
Total number wounded/injured in mass murder type incidents: 7,528. Number wounded/injured by "assault" weapons: 155 (2.06%). Number wounded/injured by Muslim terrorists: 6,406 (85.10%).
I think the Democrats have their priorities misaligned.
The politicians always do but thinks for your info I'm going defcon3.
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One of the dead was an ex-girlfriend. The elderly victim was that girl's grandmother. The other 3 appear at this time to have been unfortunate bystanders.
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http://www.king5.com/news/local/five-people-dead-in-cascade-mall-shooting-in-burlington/324940198
Apparently the ex-girlfriend has not worked at that Macy's for some time, and was not one of the victims, nor is the elderly woman related to the ex-girlfriend. Although the perpetrator may have picked that Macy's because the ex-girlfriend used to work there.
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Guy don't look Mexican to me. Hair is wrong and completion is odd.
Looks like any number of Hispanics I've seen. "They" are just as varied as Anglos depending on which mix of Spanish and native Indian their background contains.
Case in point, I was meeting with a customer in Florida this week. Everyone from the customer side had Hispanic-sounding names, yet they all had variations on Anglo or Hispanic features. One guy's name couldn't have been more Hispanic, yet he spoke with no discernible accent and looked as white-bread Anglo as one could.
Chris
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be that as it may, this guy was muslim, turkish, a known trouble maker that should have been in prison. Almost everyone killed in America today, in one of these types of attacks, is being killed by a muslim.
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When was the last shoot-em-up that wasn't perpetrated by a Johnny Jihadi?
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When was the last shoot-em-up that wasn't perpetrated by a Johnny Jihadi?
Kinda depends on how you define "shoot em up".
A ghetto kid cut loose in a bar wounding 10 on Sep 4th of this year, no aloha snack bar. There was the July 25 spray and pray at a "under 18" club in FL.
If you want to mandate actual deaths to be a "shoot em up" then there was that black Army vet that ambushed the cops in LA July 17th.
I skipped over a couple of >5 dead shootings on the list because they happened in the victim's homes. Not really "shoot 'em up" fare.
I have zero love for Islam. I find it a backwards, crappy belief system that is incompatible with individual liberty (Not surprising when the hole thing is named after "submission"). But Americans can shoot each other up in good numbers just fine without Allah. Something that's worth remembering, as I'd bet you get a lot closer to ghetto folks in your day to day life than radical Muslims.
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When was the last shoot-em-up that wasn't perpetrated by a Johnny Jihadi?
October 1, 2015 -- Umpqua Community College in Oregon. Nine people killed, nine people wounded/injured.
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The mass murder gap: we infidels are falling behind.
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Total number killed in mass murder type incidents: 3,724. Number killed by "assault" weapons: 122 (3.28%). Number killed by Muslim terrorists: 3,056 (82.06%).
Total number wounded/injured in mass murder type incidents: 7,528. Number wounded/injured by "assault" weapons: 155 (2.06%). Number wounded/injured by Muslim terrorists: 6,406 (85.10%).
I just added a couple of other incidents that I had missed. New numbers:
Total number killed in mass murder type incidents: 3,736. Number killed by "assault" weapons: 130 (3.48%). Number killed by Muslim terrorists: 3,060 (81.91%).
Total number wounded/injured in mass murder type incidents: 7,542. Number wounded/injured by "assault" weapons: 169 (2.24%). Number wounded/injured by Muslim terrorists: 6,406 (84.94%).
If things continue as they have been moving, I'm going to have to start tracking a third category: people killed or wounded due to Black Lives Matter incited violence. Maybe that should be categorized as "domestic terrorism"? That might be a useful data point -- it would be a category under which to include the Murrah Building bombing in Oklahoma City.
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I notice a slight shift in the narrative now. Instead of the idiotic "There is no indication that this was a terrorist act" line, the most recent articles I've seen now have the aw-thaw-rih-tays saying that they "haven't ruled out" terrorism as a motive. Considering that the [alleged] perp is a disaffected Muslm immigrant, I suppose they pretty much have to take that position to avoid looking totally stupid.
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When was the last shoot-em-up that wasn't perpetrated by a Johnny Jihadi?
Every weekend in Chicago....
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He has already confessed to the police. He used a 10/22 with a 25 round magazine, all of which was stolen from his father.
Lots of stories in the local media about how he was socially maladjusted and liked to grope women, even in middle and high school.
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Has a motive been established yet?
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Has a motive been established yet?
Nothing yet that has been released.
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Has a motive been established yet?
DAMN YOU NRA!
DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
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DAMN YOU NRA!
DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
Settle down, Wil Wheaton.
https://twitter.com/wilw/status/742059741833101312
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Settle down, Wil Wheaton.
https://twitter.com/wilw/status/742059741833101312
Wow!
@JWCDreamshaper Jun 12
@HealyIV @wilw the NRA continues to help make it easier for people like this to find easy access to assault weapons.
So the Ruger 10/22 take-down is now an assault weapon. Who knew?
And I wish @JWCDreamshaper would have explained how the NRA contributed to the dirtbag stealing the firearms from his father (or is it stepfather?).
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Wow!
So the Ruger 10/22 take-down is now an assault weapon. Who knew?
And I wish @JWCDreamshaper would have explained how the NRA contributed to the dirtbag stealing the firearms from his father (or is it stepfather?).
That's from a few months ago.
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That's from a few months ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYoNL4g5Vg
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http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/suspected-cascade-mall-gunman-charged-with-5-counts-of-premeditated-murder/
Still nothing as to motivation, but it seems as if Mr. Cetin has significant psychiatric problems.
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According to that article he was on Prozac. Looks like this is another SSRI induced violent episode.
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October 1, 2015 -- Umpqua Community College in Oregon. Nine people killed, nine people wounded/injured.
Based on a partially visible Isis flag in one of the shooters pictures, some speculated that actually was an muslim connection.
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That's from a few months ago.
True, but he couldn't resist commenting on the Cetin situation:
https://twitter.com/wilw/status/779860387353071616
http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/09/25/blame-the-nra-for-arcan-cetin-yup-wil-wheaton-is-still-a-*expletive deleted*che-about-guns-and-most-things/
(ETA: apparently a certain term for feminine hygiene gets filtered. Replace *expletive deleted*che with . . . well, you can figure it out . . .)
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Based on a partially visible Isis flag in one of the shooters pictures, some speculated that actually was an muslim connection.
What shooter, the guy in Seattle, or the guy at Umpqua Community College?