The Catholic church now opposes the death penalty

[Perd Hapley]

Not being a Catholic I just looked into their reasoning for not supporting the death penalty. Pretty weak sauce indeed. A person doesn’t lose his human dignity even after committing a heinous crime? They’re nuts.

I'm not Catholic either, and I could be wrong, but I would guess they're talking about the person being made in the image of God, and having intrinsic worth. I don't disagree with that. I just don't think it contradicts execution, if they've committed murder, or a comparable offense.

[RoadKingLarry]

I'm all for capital punishment in the right circumstances.  A few examples of such are the mass shooters that survived their spree. Florida, Ft. Hood, Aurora, there is no doubt about their guilt. Plant them.
As for prosecutorial misconduct, from the false accuser to the presiding judge anyone found guilty of attempting to wrongly convict a person of a crime gets the same sentence that could/would have been imposed on the wrongly accused, up to and including the death penalty.

[Jamisjockey]

If you don't trust the government but support the death penalty...here
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cognitive%20dissonance


I'm not opposed to the concept of capital punishment.  But the justice system has proven itself too fallible to be trusted with such power.
https://www.innocenceproject.org/cameron-todd-willingham-wrongfully-convicted-and-executed-in-texas/

[Kingcreek]

I would support the death penalty in some cases, but only if it was less expensive than lifetime incarceration.

[MillCreek]

I would support the death penalty in some cases, but only if it was less expensive than lifetime incarceration.

Based on what I have read over the years, the death penalty in the US is almost always significantly more expensive than life in prison, and this has led several states to abandon the death penalty.  The primary cost driver is legal costs (attorney fees, expenses of the court system) for the trial and appeals thereafter.

[Perd Hapley]

If you don't trust the government but support the death penalty...here
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cognitive%20dissonance


I'm not opposed to the concept of capital punishment.  But the justice system has proven itself too fallible to be trusted with such power.
https://www.innocenceproject.org/cameron-todd-willingham-wrongfully-convicted-and-executed-in-texas/

If you don't trust the government, but still think we should have government - here:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cognitive%20dissonance

[Jamisjockey]

If you don't trust the government, but still think we should have government - here:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cognitive%20dissonance

I'm perfectly okay with the dissolution of government.

[Ron]

Decentralization, States rights and reigning in Federal judges would be a baby step.

[Hawkmoon]

Based on what I have read over the years, the death penalty in the US is almost always significantly more expensive than life in prison, and this has led several states to abandon the death penalty.  The primary cost driver is legal costs (attorney fees, expenses of the court system) for the trial and appeals thereafter.

That's only because the system allows and provides for a seemingly interminable series of appeals, appeals of appeals, and appeals of appeals of appeals, ad nauseam. If the possibility of imposing a death sentence is limited to cases in which guilt is conclusively proven (such as the case of the first Fort Hood shooter, or the Aurora theater shooter), then such an exhaustive array of appeals is unnecessary and should not be allowed. There has to be recourse to an appeals process, of course, but there's no reason why it can -- or should be allowed to -- continue for decades.

[Hawkmoon]

Decentralization, States rights and reigning in Federal judges would be a baby step.

Definition of reign

1 a : royal authority : sovereignty

    under the reign of the Stuart kings

b : the dominion, sway, or influence of one resembling a monarch

    the reign of the Puritan ministers

2 : the time during which someone (such as a sovereign) reigns

Definition of rein

1 : a strap fastened to a bit by which a rider or driver controls an animal —usually used in plural
2 a : a restraining influence : check

    kept a tight rein on the proceedings

b : controlling or guiding power —usually used in plural

    the reins of government

3 : opportunity for unhampered activity or use

    gave full rein to her imagination

[Ron]

Thank you.

I had a post where I was too lazy to determine if worse or worst was correct and everyone let it slide

[Hawkmoon]

Pedants gotta pedant.

[230RN]

For both here and my "Thanks" PM to Hawkmoon regarding reign versus rein:

Our quote system does not include quotes in the post you are trying to quote, if that makes sense.  In other words, if you quote this post, the quoted quote will not contain any content.

For testing, I do not think this content will show up in a quote of this post.

Quoting Hawkmoon's post "Pedants gotta pedant":

Pedants gotta pedant.

"But don't quote me on that."

Terry

[RoadKingLarry]

Pedants gotta pedant.

[freakazoid]

For both here and my "Thanks" PM to Hawkmoon regarding reign versus rein:

Our quote system does not include quotes in the post you are trying to quote, if that makes sense.  In other words, if you quote this post, the quoted quote will not contain any content.

Quoting Hawkmoon's post "Pedants gotta pedant":

"But don't quote me on that."

Terry

I always have to go back and copy/paste the quote if I need to. I wonder if there is some way to have it automatically do this.

[Hawkmoon]

For both here and my "Thanks" PM to Hawkmoon regarding reign versus rein:

Our quote system does not include quotes in the post you are trying to quote, if that makes sense.  In other words, if you quote this post, the quoted quote will not contain any content.

That's why computer systems allow you to click and drag to highlight, then press CTRL+C to copy, and CTRL+V to paste.

CTRL+C makes a modicum of sense ... 'C' for Copy. But 'V' for Paste? Paste doesn't begin with 'V," and I can't think of any synonym for "paste" or "insert" that starts with 'V.'

[Perd Hapley]

I'm perfectly okay with the dissolution of government.

So you've said.

[freakazoid]

That's why computer systems allow you to click and drag to highlight, then press CTRL+C to copy, and CTRL+V to paste.

CTRL+C makes a modicum of sense ... 'C' for Copy. But 'V' for Paste? Paste doesn't begin with 'V," and I can't think of any synonym for "paste" or "insert" that starts with 'V.'

P is already for print. I'm betting it's because V is right next to C.

[230RN]

Double post.  See below. 

[230RN]

freakzoid said,

"I always have to go back and copy/paste the quote if I need to. I wonder if there is some way to have it automatically do this."

There is, but I think "they" tried to fix the problem of nested quotes, where by the time two or three quotes appeared within a quote, the horizontal width of the first quote was, like, only 5 or 6 letters wide and was essentially unreadable.

Terry

[Perd Hapley]

freakzoid said,

"I always have to go back and copy/paste the quote if I need to. I wonder if there is some way to have it automatically do this."

There is, but I think "they" tried to fix the problem of nested quotes, where by the time two or three quotes appeared within a quote, the horizontal width of the first quote was, like, only 5 or 6 letters wide and was essentially unreadable.

Terry

Yes. The quote function used to grab everything, if memory serves. That was changed, because people were quoting quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations.

I like the new way. People should quote what they're responding to, and not just quote the entire thread.

[Doggy Daddy]

That's why computer systems allow you to click and drag to highlight, then press CTRL+C to copy, and CTRL+V to paste.

CTRL+C makes a modicum of sense ... 'C' for Copy. But 'V' for Paste? Paste doesn't begin with 'V," and I can't think of any synonym for "paste" or "insert" that starts with 'V.'

Think of it as an insertion mark.

[Scout26]

Yes. The quote function used to grab everything, if memory serves. That was changed, because people were quoting quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations.

I like the new way. People should quote what they're responding to, and not just quote the entire thread.

Yes, people were "nesting" quotes to the point it got out hand.  This is why we can't have nice things.

[Perd Hapley]

Quote from: fistful on 07 August 2018, 12:10:46

Yes. The quote function used to grab everything, if memory serves. That was changed, because people were quoting quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations.

I like the new way. People should quote what they're responding to, and not just quote the entire thread.

Yes, people were "nesting" quotes to the point it got out hand.  This is why we can't have nice things.

So true.

[Hawkmoon]

Yes. The quote function used to grab everything, if memory serves. That was changed, because people were quoting quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations of quotations.

I like the new way. People should quote what they're responding to, and not just quote the entire thread.

Yes, people were "nesting" quotes to the point it got out hand.  This is why we can't have nice things.

So true.

Indeed.