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Comments by Dennis Prager. Worth considering.
« on: August 03, 2016, 10:02:09 PM »
 

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Given The Alternative, I’ll Take Trump

By: Dennis Prager  

Published: July 31st, 2016
Latest update: July 28th, 2016

"During the presidential primaries I devoted many hours of radio and many columns to criticizing Donald Trump. His nomination caused me grief as an American, a Republican, and a conservative. That his character defects, gaps in knowledge on some important issues, and lack of identifiably conservative principles meant little to so many Republican voters is quite troubling.

(Though, I might add, it is even more troubling that virtually all Democrats ignored the even worse character of Hillary Clinton, as well as the idiotic socialist ideas of Sen. Bernie Sanders.)

Anti-Trump conservatives such as Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, Ben Shapiro, Bret Stephens, and George Will are not merely people I admire – they are friends and colleagues. Goldberg, Stephens, and Will have made multiple videos for my Prager University website that have received millions of views. Shapiro and I have spent Shabbat together. I have had the privilege of writing for Kristol’s Weekly Standard magazine and hosting him on my radio show many times. And I have enthusiastically promoted their books.

These individuals are special to me not only as thinkers, but as people. However, in the final analysis, I do not find their arguments compelling.

The choice this November is tragic. As often happens in life, the choice is between bad and worse, not bad and good.

But America has made that choice before. When forced to choose between bad and worse, we supported Stalin against Hitler, and we supported right-wing authoritarians against Communist totalitarians.

It seems to me that anti-Trump conservatives want to remain morally pure. I understand that temptation. I am tempted, too. But if you wish to vanquish the bad, it is not possible – at least not on this side of the afterlife – to remain pure.

The most moving interview of my 33 years in radio was with Irene Opdyke, a Polish Catholic woman. Opdyke became the mistress of a married Nazi officer in order to save the lives of 12 Jews. She hid them in the cellar of the officer’s house in Warsaw. There were some Christians who called my show to say Opdyke’s actions were wrong, that she had in fact sinned because she knowingly committed a mortal sin. In their view, she compromised Catholic/Christian doctrine.

In my view – and, I believe, the view of most Catholics and other Christians – she brought glory to her God and her faith. Why? Because circumstances almost always determine what is moral, even for religious people like myself who believe in moral absolutes. That’s why the act of dropping atom bombs on Japan was moral. The circumstances (ending a war that would otherwise continue taking millions of lives) made moral what under other circumstances would be immoral.

In the 2016 presidential race, I am not interested in moral purity. I am interested in defeating the left and its political arm, the Democratic Party. The notion (expressed by virtually every anti-Trump conservative) that we can live with another four years of a Democratic president is, forgive me, mind-boggling.

To that end, with at least one, and probably multiple, additional leftists on the Supreme Court, a Republican presidential victory in 2020 would mean little. All the left needs is the judicial branch, especially the Supreme Court. Left-wing judges pass so many left-wing laws that they render those who control Congress, and even the White House, almost irrelevant.

Here, then, are nine reasons (there are more) why a conservative should prefer a Trump presidency to a Democratic presidency:

* Prevent a left-wing Supreme Court.

* Increase the defense budget.

* Repeal, or at least modify, the Dodd-Frank act.

* Prevent Washington, D.C., from becoming a state and giving the Democrats another two permanent senators.

* Repeal Obamacare.

* Curtail illegal immigration, a goal that doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with xenophobia or nativism (just look at Western Europe).

* Reduce job-killing regulations on large and small businesses.

* Lower the corporate income tax and bring back hundreds of billions of offshore dollars to the United States.

* Continue fracking, which the left, in its science-rejecting hysteria, opposes.

For these reasons, I, unlike my friends, could not live with my conscience if I voted to help the left win the presidency.

I just don’t understand how anyone who understands the threat the left and the Democrats pose to America would refuse to vote for the only person who at this point can stop them."

Dennis Prager
About the Author: Dennis Prager is a nationally syndicated radio show host and creator of PragerUniversity.com. His latest book is “Still the Best Hope: Why the World Needs American Values to Triumph.”

 




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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2016, 10:05:59 PM »
Is this the same column written every four years, about whomever the GOP is running?
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2016, 11:32:51 PM »
Is this the same column written every four years, about whomever the GOP is running?

Not quit.  The names are changed to protect the innocent. [tinfoil]
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2016, 12:02:39 AM »
In the 2016 presidential race, I am not interested in moral purity. I am interested in defeating the left and its political arm, the Democratic Party.

To achieve that goal one would need a Republican candidate that doesn't embody the majority of the left's political arm.  Whatever he is saying right now, on most things, Trump is more in agreement with the long term goals of the left than the right.
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2016, 12:19:54 AM »
As a trump supporter this is the first article to make me doubt my choice.  If michael medved and ben shapiro end up supporting trump i think i just might have to greenbertarian or liberino.
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2016, 07:45:02 AM »
Not quit.  The names are changed to protect the innocent. [tinfoil]

We're talking about politicians, there are no innocent.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2016, 07:47:03 AM »
 
As a trump supporter this is the first article to make me doubt my choice.  If michael medved and ben shapiro end up supporting trump i think i just might have to greenbertarian or liberino.

[tinfoil]
See, that's what they want you to do. That's why Trump has gotten so many WTF endorsements like David Duke and such.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2016, 10:15:35 AM »
Prager is wrong. My decision not to vote for Trump has nothing to do with "purity" or I wouldn't have already swallowed my bile and voted for Romney.

My decision not to vote for trump is that he's a salesman and a performer. His campaign is all an act. I cannot trust the man AT ALL.

I cannot vote for someone that I have ZERO trust in.

Now, he can EARN my trust, but not this year. So, I hope he wins and proves me wrong in my distrust. But he's not getting my (insignificant) vote this year.
I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.

So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought

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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2016, 10:44:57 AM »
Prager is wrong. My decision not to vote for Trump has nothing to do with "purity" or I wouldn't have already swallowed my bile and voted for Romney.

My decision not to vote for trump is that he's a salesman and a performer. His campaign is all an act. I cannot trust the man AT ALL.

I cannot vote for someone that I have ZERO trust in.


Now, he can EARN my trust, but not this year. So, I hope he wins and proves me wrong in my distrust. But he's not getting my (insignificant) vote this year.

Every word you wrote applied to Romney when you voted for him: former tax/fee-hiking Gov of Mass, former stridently pro-choice Senatorial candidate, RKBA opponent / gun banner, Romney-Care namesake, globular warmist...

Yes, the same Mitt Romney who, as Gov of Mass, issued an executive order to the bureaucrats to issue homosexual pseudomarriage licenses.  Before there was either law or judicial ruling requiring such.

Why Liberals Should Embrace Romney the Progressive Champion
Cheering the latest Mittamorphosis.


It is time for liberals to cheer Mitt Romney.

Not because his possible entry into the 2016 Republican presidential contest could cause chaos for the GOP. But because Romney, apparently seeing the error of his "severely conservative" ways, has become a progressive crusader. Initial news reports noted that Romney was telling Republicans privately that should he mount a third presidential bid he would run to the right of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, an all-but-announced contender. Yet in public remarks, Romney has been sounding like a born-again lefty. At an investment management conference in Utah this week, Romney told the crowd that a new-and-improved candidate Romney would focus on climate change, poverty, and education.

Yes, climate change, poverty, and education. In a bizarre Freaky Friday sort of way, Romney appears to have been body-snatched—perhaps by the ghost of Ted Kennedy.

The argument you made does not hold water, unless one uses a circumlocution such as, "I trusted Romney to be a liar and support those lefty issues on which he claimed to flip rightwards."
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2016, 10:52:58 AM »
Prager is wrong. My decision not to vote for Trump has nothing to do with "purity" or I wouldn't have already swallowed my bile and voted for Romney.

My decision not to vote for trump is that he's a salesman and a performer. His campaign is all an act. I cannot trust the man AT ALL.

I cannot vote for someone that I have ZERO trust in.

Now, he can EARN my trust, but not this year. So, I hope he wins and proves me wrong in my distrust. But he's not getting my (insignificant) vote this year.

If you have considered voting Romney or Bush, Clinton is probably your candidate.  There's pretty much no difference between them.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2016, 10:56:42 AM »
The argument you made does not hold water, unless one uses a circumlocution such as, "I trusted Romney to be a liar and support those lefty issues on which he claimed to flip rightwards."

On Romney, I chose to reward him for changing his positions, and take the chance that he'd follow through on his promises, as he had a record of doing what he said he would do. I recognize I was taking a chance, and I believe I was even relieved that he had lost (and posted as such here) because I didn't really trust him to govern conservatively.

Trump has no record that I can look to. Or rather, he has no political record, but he does have a business record of putting the screws to others in order to benefit Trump, with no relationship to what he's promised in the past. That record, added to his changing positions on a whim, makes it impossible for me to trust him enough to vote for him.

As I said, if he develops a record of doing in office what he says he will do, I can vote for him next time. He can't get my vote this year.
I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.

So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2016, 10:58:25 AM »
If you have considered voting Romney or Bush, Clinton is probably your candidate.  There's pretty much no difference between them.

For all the other differences, Bush was consistent on the issue of life and Romney, at least, changed his position towards life. Clinton has changed her position towards more murders.

I will agree, however, that all were in the pockets of crony capitalists, with Clinton being corrupt, lawless, and far more money-grubbing, though.
I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.

So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought

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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2016, 11:07:43 AM »
On Romney, I chose to reward him for changing his positions, and take the chance that he'd follow through on his promises, as he had a record of doing what he said he would do. I recognize I was taking a chance, and I believe I was even relieved that he had lost (and posted as such here) because I didn't really trust him to govern conservatively.

Trump has no record that I can look to. Or rather, he has no political record, but he does have a business record of putting the screws to others in order to benefit Trump, with no relationship to what he's promised in the past. That record, added to his changing positions on a whim, makes it impossible for me to trust him enough to vote for him.

As I said, if he develops a record of doing in office what he says he will do, I can vote for him next time. He can't get my vote this year.

You won't be  voting for Trump  in 2020.....your choice will be either Hillary or  "PERSON X." :mad:

And you can thank the Trumpster for this. :mad:
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2016, 11:45:20 AM »

My decision not to vote for trump is that he's a salesman and a performer. His campaign is all an act. I cannot trust the man AT ALL.

I cannot vote for someone that I have ZERO trust in.


I sympathize with your reasoning. That being said, the issue of trust is why I will vote for Trump. I can trust Dame Hillary Clinton to be more corrupt, more anti-American (anti-human, really) in her policies, more nauseating in her public appearances, and so on. Not to mention that I can count on the press to be most entertaining under Trump.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2016, 11:54:29 AM »

I sympathize with your reasoning. That being said, the issue of trust is why I will vote for Trump. I can trust Dame Hillary Clinton to be more corrupt, more anti-American (anti-human, really) in her policies, more nauseating in her public appearances, and so on. Not to mention that I can count on the press to be most entertaining under Trump.

I trust Trump will serve his mountainous vanity and ego and work diligently to keep from becoming known as a loser for not accomplishing his cardinal issues. 

Politics/gov't works best when it harnesses human foibles to do the right thing for the wrong reasons. 
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