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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ron on November 25, 2017, 11:47:45 AM
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/24/trump-permit-citizens-buy-military-surplus-1911-pistols/
President Trump is set to sign the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act, which contains an amendment that allows U.S. citizens to acquire military surplus 1911 pistols.
The sales will occur under the auspices of the Civilian Marksmanship Program, which has been selling approved military surplus weapons to citizens for more than 100 years.
Just a drive by post, thought you guys should know.
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Now let's see him direct the State Department to allow importation of the M1 Carbines in Korea. My understanding is they're U.S. property anyhow, they're just not "for sporting purposes."
I gotcha yer "sporting purpose" right here... >:D
I don't know if any or many of them are the M2 full-auto variations.... anyone know?
Terry
REF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_carbine
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Another example of Democrat idiocy. The transfer of these old M1911A1s to the CMP was actually established two or three years ago, under Obama, but it somehow just didn't happen. This new act basically requires it to take place. As it should. The Democrats, of course, weep and wail and rend garments over releasing all these weapons of war onto the streets. Aside from the fact that an M1911A1 only holds 8 rounds, compared to however many thousand rounds a Glock holds, these things are collector guns and they'll be sold at collector prices, all through legitimate channels. The average street thug or Islamist terrorist isn't going to spend $1,000 and up for an antique firearm with a limited capacity when he can buy a Glock on any street corner for a couple of hundred dollars -- off paper.
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Another example of Democrat idiocy. The transfer of these old M1911A1s to the CMP was actually established two or three years ago, under Obama, but it somehow just didn't happen. This new act basically requires it to take place. As it should. The Democrats, of course, weep and wail and rend garments over releasing all these weapons of war onto the streets. Aside from the fact that an M1911A1 only holds 8 rounds, compared to however many thousand rounds a Glock holds, these things are collector guns and they'll be sold at collector prices, all through legitimate channels. The average street thug or Islamist terrorist isn't going to spend $1,000 and up for an antique firearm with a limited capacity when he can buy a Glock on any street corner for a couple of hundred dollars -- off paper.
I'm glad to see this finally happening. It will be interesting to see the arguments that the antis use. A 100+ year old pistol design that holds under 10 rounds. That's nearly "the kind of firearms that the founding fathers had". :laugh:
Seems like there should be some good PR campaigns that the pro gun side can use when the antis protest this "weapon of war".
As for the average street thug - I'm not sure that half of them could even rack the slide of a 1911.
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As for the average street thug - I'm not sure that half of them could even rack the slide of a 1911.
One of the things I like about carrying a 1911 is that in the unlikely event a goblin grabs it out of my holster, he probably won't be able to shoot it because he most likely won't know about the thumb safety.
Of course, if a goblin grabs my gun out of my holster, I deserve to be shot due to loss of situational awareness ...
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Just throw a spare magazine at him, everyone on the internet knows that 8 rounds of .45 ACP at low velocity will blow him off his feet.
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Ben wisecracked,
I'm glad to see this finally happening. It will be interesting to see the arguments that the antis use. A 100+ year old pistol design that holds under 10 rounds. That's nearly "the kind of firearms that the founding fathers had."
Dayam, I wish I'd thought of that one. Will filch.
Terry
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How come Trump not letting us buy .46 caliber guns, huh?
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Just throw a spare magazine at him, everyone on the internet knows that 8 rounds of .45 ACP at low velocity will blow him off his feet.
:rofl:
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Does anyone know where the resistance was to make this happen? I assume it was on the military side, but I recall hearing the Army office that was supposed to authorize it was not filled until this year.
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Does anyone know where the resistance was to make this happen? I assume it was on the military side, but I recall hearing the Army office that was supposed to authorize it was not filled until this year.
No, the resistance wasn't from the .mil. It was from the Democrats, and the embedded liberals within the .gov. The military wants to get rid of the 1911s, because they don't want the expense and the responsibility of storing them and keeping track of them. In fact, I have a suspicion that the transfers began (physically) several months ago. Over on The Firing Line (I think, or maybe it was M1911.org, or maybe both) a newbie showed up asking some very specific questions about a military M1911A1 with a couple of unusual markings. He didn't say who he was, but he said something about grading a bunch of guns. Hmmm ...
His location was given as Anniston, AL ... and the headquarters of the CMP is Anniston, AL.
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How come Trump not letting us buy .46 caliber guns, huh?
Depending on barrel erosion, he might be.
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So Trump is selling us out-of-tolerance and possible unsafe weapons!?
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So Trump is selling us out-of-tolerance and possible unsafe weapons!?
Don't think of it as unsafe; just adventurous.
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I'm glad to see this finally happening. It will be interesting to see the arguments that the antis use. . . .
I saw a "news" piece claiming .gov was going to sell SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL GUNS THE ARMY HAS to civilians.
Nope, not 155mm howitzers, not 20mm rotary cannon, not 25mm chain guns, not 120mm tank guns . . . but .45 caliber pistols.
THAT is one of the arguments the antis are using. :facepalm:
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It's a little known fact that the Enola Gay didn't actually drop an A-bomb on our Japanese friends, instead bombardier Thomas Ferebee just leaned out of the bomb-bay doors, fired one round from his Air Force issued 1911 and Hiroshima went poof.
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I saw a "news" piece claiming .gov was going to sell SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL GUNS THE ARMY HAS to civilians.
Nope, not 155mm howitzers, not 20mm rotary cannon, not 25mm chain guns, not 120mm tank guns . . . but .45 caliber pistols.
THAT is one of the arguments the antis are using. :facepalm:
Well, after all, if a .45 hits the tip of your pinky finger it'll blow you clear across the room and through the wall.
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Well, after all, if a .45 hits the tip of your pinky finger it'll blow you clear across the room and through the wall.
Yeah, but that's the .45 Colt revolver cartridge. That extra 25 grains of bullet weight makes all the difference ;)
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I saw a "news" piece claiming .gov was going to sell SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL GUNS THE ARMY HAS to civilians.
Nope, not 155mm howitzers, not 20mm rotary cannon, not 25mm chain guns, not 120mm tank guns . . . but .45 caliber pistols.
THAT is one of the arguments the antis are using. :facepalm:
Seems like that's ripe for the counter argument that it's a slow, plodding round that travels only half as fast as their modern stuff. =D
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Seems like that's ripe for the counter argument that it's a slow, plodding round that travels only half as fast as their modern stuff. =D
That's what the liberals would be arguing if we were proposing to sell the M9 pistols that are becoming obsolete with the introduction of the new sigs.
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Yeah, and that M9 ammo is specifically "for war."
Eeeeek !
It's even labeled as "parabellum."
Definitely not a "sporting purpose."
I gotcher "sporting purpose" right here. <grabs crotch>
Terry, 230RN
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Oh mah gerd! Won't someone think of the little chillruns of color?
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Oh mah gerd! Won't someone think of the little chillruns of color?
Noveske did
https://www.noveske.com/products/ghettoblaster (https://www.noveske.com/products/ghettoblaster)
(Probably the same marketing genius who did the Charter Arms "Bonnie & Clyde" ad campaign several decades ago.)
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Yeah, and that M9 ammo is specifically "for war."
Eeeeek !
It's even labeled as "parabellum."
Definitely not a "sporting purpose."
I gotcher "sporting purpose" right here. <grabs crotch>
Terry, 230RN
The M9's were made in the US correct? "Sporting purpose" should never apply.
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The M9's were made in the US correct? "Sporting purpose" should never apply.
Same with 1911's and the "Korean" carbines, since they were made in the US.
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Oh, I guess I was referring to the concept of "sporting purpose" in terms of "The Second Amendment isn't about hunting ducks."
But you're both right. It's really about stuff made in other countries.
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Noveske did
https://www.noveske.com/products/ghettoblaster (https://www.noveske.com/products/ghettoblaster)
(Probably the same marketing genius who did the Charter Arms "Bonnie & Clyde" ad campaign several decades ago.)
Oh good God... the people who came up with that should be beaten severely.
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I guess I need to make sure my login to the CMP site is still working and get my information updated so I am clear to buy a firearm from them. I don't want anything to hold me up if I find out they are for sale. I figure they will go fast. I heard the bill this is in passed Congress so it is only a matter of time.
I will be curious to see if they will be mostly Colt or how many other manufacturers there are.
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. . . I will be curious to see if they will be mostly Colt or how many other manufacturers there are.
I wish I could get the 1911 my Dad carried in WWII - he told me it was made by Ithaca. I've seen a few ex-USGI Ithaca 1911s for sale over the years, but unfortunately, the serial number of the one Dad had is lost to history. =(
I'll be very curious about price and condition once the CMP starts releasing them for sale . . . somehow, I'm not very optimistic about finding a good shooter at a good price.
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I know some M1 carbines were made by companies like Singer Sewing Machine. Were any issue 1911s manufactured by "non-firearm" companies?
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I know some M1 carbines were made by companies like Singer Sewing Machine. Were any issue 1911s manufactured by "non-firearm" companies?
Singer did make some 1911s... now they are very expensive!
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I know some M1 carbines were made by companies like Singer Sewing Machine. Were any issue 1911s manufactured by "non-firearm" companies?
Yes, a whole bunch.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/robert-farago/1911s-second-world-war/
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I know some M1 carbines were made by companies like Singer Sewing Machine. Were any issue 1911s manufactured by "non-firearm" companies?
Really? Remington-Rand was an office machine company. They made more M1911A1s during WW2 than anyone else, including Colt.
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Really? Remington-Rand was an office machine company. They made more M1911A1s during WW2 than anyone else, including Colt.
My Dad has one of those. He said he traded it for a P38 many years ago. He got the better end of that one.
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I got all my quals together to order a Garand from them, then dropped the project. (Incidentally, there's some benefit to seniors, FYI.) I've still got all the stuff together, if they release the Carbines again, I may be all over that, but last I heard, the surplus 1911s were close to present high-end commercial prices.
I got my first used 1947-manufactured C-prefixed 1911 for a whole $65, so my thinking may be colored by that.
Terry, 230RN
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Last I was haunting the forums the CMP 1911's were expected to be $1000-$1500 depending on grade for basic mixmaster and the nice and/or correct ones are expected to go to auction.
Which is more expensive than a new, commercial 1911, but way less than the going rate for a USGI gun.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. When the CMP email hits my phone, I'm swiping plastic on one of these.
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Oh, I guess I was referring to the concept of "sporting purpose" in terms of "The Second Amendment isn't about hunting ducks."
But you're both right. It's really about stuff made in other countries.
Sporting purpose is only for foreign made stuff? ???
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Last I was haunting the forums the CMP 1911's were expected to be $1000-$1500 depending on grade for basic mixmaster and the nice and/or correct ones are expected to go to auction.
Which is more expensive than a new, commercial 1911, but way less than the going rate for a USGI gun.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. When the CMP email hits my phone, I'm swiping plastic on one of these.
Same for me.
I was thinking I might try to get two, but it might be best to get one than spend that sort of money on a nice new 1911 from Colt or other.
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Both of the subs I was one were stocking 1911s in the small arms locker.
We had several different "brands" and while my memory may be failing I seem to remember that we had a Singer on my first boat, I remember the Torpedoman that was the small arms petty officer making a big deal about it. I also saw, handled and shot several Remington-Rands and Colts.
In addition to the 1911s we stocked M14s and Remington 870s and Mossberg 500s with folding stocks.
I had the distinction of being the best shot with the M14 outside of weapons department and was awarded the dubious honor of being topside aft armed guard during "special" weapons handling evolutions. That damn thing gets heavy after 8-10 hours standing on a steel deck wearing a kapok life jacket in the Summer sun.
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Sporting purpose is only for foreign made stuff? ???
The 'sporting purpose' clause is part of the import restriction law. That is why we can o longer get the super cheap AKs, SKS, etc.
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The 'sporting purpose' clause is part of the import restriction law. That is why we can o longer get the super cheap AKs, SKS, etc.
I believe that is due to a general ban on Russian firearms. Pretty sure sporting purpose applies to domestic firearms, 12 gauges would normally be restricted except they usually fit the "sporting purpose" definition except in rare cases like the Street Sweeper.
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... last I heard, the surplus 1911s were close to present high-end commercial prices.
NOBODY knows what the prices will be, because the CMP hasn't released any pricing, and is still early on in the process of sorting and grading. If they find any pristine, all-original examples, I would expect them to be priced competitively for what they are. The mix-masters and such will probably be graded as rack grade or field grade and sold for prices that ordinary mortals can afford.
That said, there are numerous reasons (unrelated to accuracy or lack thereof) why none of these should be regarded as "shooters." They are collector pieces. Those who want a budget 1911 to shoot would do well to buy a new one from Rock Island or S.A.M. or Tisas.
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I believe that is due to a general ban on Russian firearms. Pretty sure sporting purpose applies to domestic firearms, 12 gauges would normally be restricted except they usually fit the "sporting purpose" definition except in rare cases like the Street Sweeper.
"Sporting Purpose" was why all the Russian guns (and other AK's) would come in with 10 round mags and have to be converted to use standard AK mags (see the Century drunken monkeys and the WASR). The conversion also had to include changing a certain number of parts to American made to get around the import restrictions so it wasn't foreign anymore or something. A lot of that dried up when the ATF wouldn't let them import the barrels anymore.
It also came up when the SKS rifles were imported. People were installing high capacity mags or adding Tech Sight peep sights. It was noted on forums that they might be technically in violation of the "sporting purpose" import restrictions since they hadn't changed out the foreign made parts.
None of that was an issue with US made guns.
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That said, there are numerous reasons (unrelated to accuracy or lack thereof) why none of these should be regarded as "shooters." They are collector pieces. Those who want a budget 1911 to shoot would do well to buy a new one from Rock Island or S.A.M. or Tisas.
I'm going to shoot the one I buy, although probably not a lot.
It would be a lot of fun to get a real M97 as well, and run a three gun match with an M97, a 1911A1, and my M1 Garand.
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Is the 1911 the longest serving piece of equipment, of any kind, in the US military?
The USS Constitution doesn't count because reasons.
Anyone have any idea of what might be the longest serving piece of equipment is in any current military?
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Is the 1911 the longest serving piece of equipment, of any kind, in the US military?
The USS Constitution doesn't count because reasons.
Anyone have any idea of what might be the longest serving piece of equipment is in any current military?
I'd say the M2 in the US military. 1933 and counting. The 1911 only beats it if you count the Colts that MARSOC are using as "M1911". There has been arguments among the devout as to whether they count.
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Is the 1911 the longest serving piece of equipment, of any kind, in the US military?
I think I remember something about USCG (and possibly USN) still using some .45-70s as line launchers.
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I think I remember something about USCG (and possibly USN) still using some .45-70s as line launchers.
They aren't then actual weapons. They are purpose built and use .45-70 blanks.
http://www.navalcompany.com
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I'm going to shoot the one I buy, although probably not a lot.
Most people will, except buyers of any all-original, pristine collector samples. But the curator of the Army weapons museum at Aberdeen Proving Ground summed up why we shouldn't. Not an exact quote (I could try to find what he wrote, but it was ten or fifteen years ago) but, basically, he said any of the old weapons WILL fail when shot. The problem is that you can never know which shot will be THE shot that does the damage. The 1911 is prone to breakage in three areas on the slide, as a result of the fact that they weren't fully heat treated, only spot treated in three places.
If the gun is already a mixmaster, a broken slide isn't the end of the world because you can slap another slide on it (if you can find one) and you still have a mixmaster. If you break an all-original example, though, even if you can find another slide from the same manufacturer and the same year -- it still can't make the pistol original again. The best it can be after that is "correct."
I had a WW1 M1911 for a number of years. I finally sold it this year because I knew I was never going to shoot it, and it wasn't doing anything for me sitting in the safe. I don't know how many times over the years I took it out, deliberated about shooting it, and then told myself to be good and not take the risk.
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There aren't going to be many "pristine" examples. The vast, vast, vast majority are going to be mix-masters Most have been around since WWII so they've been re-barreled probably at least once, any parts that broke or were damaged got swapped out with whatever parts were on-hand (PLL) or came in through the supply system with no regard for manufacture.
Now my AD unit was the extreme in use and abuse of our 1911's (MP's draw and carry their weapons every day), so they got the crap beat out of them. Plus we had to qualify every 90 days, so we shot the *expletive deleted*it out of them. I know our armorer was always working on out 1911's to keep up. We were always worried that if we Private Joe one of the spares we carried, and he had to shoot someone/something, the first question that was going to asked was "When did you last qualify with that weapon ?" We knew that "I didn't, that's one of the company's spares" was going to be a really bad answer,
We frequently had the CQ help during the day in the arms room, doing the simple things, like parts swaps/replacements just to keep up with all the work on all the weapons (160-1911's, 70-M16A2's, 45-M203's, 45-M60's and 4-M2's)
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I'd say that the chance of any "pristine" examples coming through the CMP are pretty much zero.
One of the big reasons why the 1911 was replaced was the seriously degraded nature of most of the guns then in government stores; guns that were just about at the end of their service life after having been used in three major conflicts.
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Can we get a two-fer? Buy a M1911 and receive a M9 free!
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New email today from the CMP.
To all CMP constituents:
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
Some preliminary decisions:
- Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
- All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
- Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) successful completion of a NICS background check, 6) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.
- The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person and successfully complete another NICS check by the recipient FFL holder before the pistol can be transferred.
- Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
- No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
- CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
- Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
- Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
- Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
- The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
- Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
- When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
- As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org
The one about needing to send FFL information is interesting.
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Seems like a bunch of work to get a probably beaten up M1911, with the outside chance of getting one that is actually nice.
I'm a shooter, not a collector, so I won't be buying a CMP M1911. You guys can fight over my one pistol.
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Seems like a bunch of work to get a probably beaten up M1911, with the outside chance of getting one that is actually nice.
I'm a shooter, not a collector, so I won't be buying a CMP M1911. You guys can fight over my one pistol.
CMP M1 Garands went for reasonable prices, taking into account both their condition and the fact that they're not made any more. (IIRC, a relative handful were made & sold commercially - but not enough to significantly affect the market.) I know I enjoy shooting mine, and it was very satisfying to have it shipped right to my door.
Considering the flood of good - REALLY good - 1911 pattern pistols on the market now, I suspect the asking prices of these USGI guns will be higher than their condition will justify. Unless - somehow - I could identify and get the specific Ithaca-built 1911 my Dad carried in WWII (if it even still exists) I'll also pass on this "opportunity."
So go ahead and help yourself to "my" little piece of history - and enjoy jumping through all the hoops to get it. ;)
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Seems like a bunch of work to get a probably beaten up M1911, with the outside chance of getting one that is actually nice.
I'm a shooter, not a collector, so I won't be buying a CMP M1911. You guys can fight over my one pistol.
Agreed.
I haven't owned a surplus gun since I had a Mosin, and it was a useless piece of *expletive deleted*it.
I can't imagine these 1911's being in good condition after having been used for decades.
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The service grade Springfield M1 Garand that I got for I think $450 is a fine shooter that I can sell for at least twice what I paid for it. Doesn't look like this will be the case for the 1911s.
Were I to buy one, it would be as a safe queen investment. There's nothing wrong with wanting to do that. While I also have some Nosins that are shootable but not fun, and also didn't go up in value much, I also have some K31s that tripled in value. So from the investment side, there's nothing wrong with taking a chance on one of these 1911s. Though I don't know, given the projected CMP prices, that they will appreciate a whole lot.
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Again, they are history. A gun that fought from WWI up to Desert Storm. I would love to get the one I carried in Germany (However unlikely and improbable that may be.) I will probably take mine and shoot it once, then it'll become an investment/safe queen.
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I got this "Clarification" from CMP today.
CMP 1911 Information
To all CMP constituents:
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
Some preliminary decisions further clarified:
Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.
A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check performed by the FFL holder, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.
Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one performed by CMP and the other performed by the FFL dealer the pistol is being shipped to.
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org
Because TWO NICS checks will make doubly sure that no terrorists or other persons banned or intent upon doing evil will make it through "double secret probation" background checks. ;/ ;/ ;/
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Today's CMP e-mail.
CMP 1911 Information
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
Some preliminary decisions further clarified updated 12/12/2017:
CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer's name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.
Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt. CMP will price at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, 02, 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to. These are "store front" FFLs.
A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the "store front" FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check, in which the information is provided by the FFL holder to NICS, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales. All 1911 orders will come in via USPS, UPS, Fed EX, etc.
CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery, USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, etc.
Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one 1911 type pistol.
As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grades and pricing options will be available.
Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one the information provided by CMP to NICS and the second the information will be provided to NICS by the FFL dealer in which the pistol is shipped.
Ordering Information: CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.
Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org
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Browsing the CMP web site and they have Federal Blazer .45 ACP brass case 230gr FMJ for $393/1000 with free shipping. Hmmm... *digs for credit card*
Brad