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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/24/trump-permit-citizens-buy-military-surplus-1911-pistols/

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President Trump is set to sign the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act, which contains an amendment that allows U.S. citizens to acquire military surplus 1911 pistols.
The sales will occur under the auspices of the Civilian Marksmanship Program, which has been selling approved military surplus weapons to citizens for more than 100 years.

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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2017, 12:42:09 PM »
Now let's see him direct the State Department to allow importation of the M1 Carbines in Korea.  My understanding is they're U.S. property anyhow, they're just not "for sporting purposes."

I gotcha yer "sporting purpose" right here...   >:D

I don't know if any or many of them are the M2 full-auto variations.... anyone know?

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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2017, 12:54:03 PM »
Another example of Democrat idiocy. The transfer of these old M1911A1s to the CMP was actually established two or three years ago, under Obama, but it somehow just didn't happen. This new act basically requires it to take place. As it should. The Democrats, of course, weep and wail and rend garments over releasing all these weapons of war onto the streets. Aside from the fact that an M1911A1 only holds 8 rounds, compared to however many thousand rounds a Glock holds, these things are collector guns and they'll be sold at collector prices, all through legitimate channels. The average street thug or Islamist terrorist isn't going to spend $1,000 and up for an antique firearm with a limited capacity when he can buy a Glock on any street corner for a couple of hundred dollars -- off paper.
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2017, 01:11:56 PM »
Another example of Democrat idiocy. The transfer of these old M1911A1s to the CMP was actually established two or three years ago, under Obama, but it somehow just didn't happen. This new act basically requires it to take place. As it should. The Democrats, of course, weep and wail and rend garments over releasing all these weapons of war onto the streets. Aside from the fact that an M1911A1 only holds 8 rounds, compared to however many thousand rounds a Glock holds, these things are collector guns and they'll be sold at collector prices, all through legitimate channels. The average street thug or Islamist terrorist isn't going to spend $1,000 and up for an antique firearm with a limited capacity when he can buy a Glock on any street corner for a couple of hundred dollars -- off paper.

I'm glad to see this finally happening. It will be interesting to see the arguments that the antis use. A 100+ year old pistol design that holds under 10 rounds. That's nearly "the kind of firearms that the founding fathers had".  :laugh:

Seems like there should be some good PR campaigns that the pro gun side can use when the antis protest this "weapon of war".

As for the average street thug - I'm not sure that half of them could even rack the slide of a 1911.
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2017, 01:33:41 PM »
As for the average street thug - I'm not sure that half of them could even rack the slide of a 1911.

One of the things I like about carrying a 1911 is that in the unlikely event a goblin grabs it out of my holster, he probably won't be able to shoot it because he most likely won't know about the thumb safety.

Of course, if a goblin grabs my gun out of my holster, I deserve to be shot due to loss of situational awareness ...
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2017, 03:20:16 PM »
Just throw a spare magazine at him, everyone on the internet knows that 8 rounds of .45 ACP at low velocity will blow him off his feet.
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2017, 05:26:34 PM »
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I'm glad to see this finally happening. It will be interesting to see the arguments that the antis use. A 100+ year old pistol design that holds under 10 rounds. That's nearly "the kind of firearms that the founding fathers had."

Dayam, I wish I'd thought of that one.  Will filch.

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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2017, 06:40:49 PM »
How come Trump not letting us buy .46 caliber guns, huh?
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2017, 07:37:33 PM »
Just throw a spare magazine at him, everyone on the internet knows that 8 rounds of .45 ACP at low velocity will blow him off his feet.
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2017, 07:40:28 PM »
Does anyone know where the resistance was to make this happen?  I assume it was on the military side, but I recall hearing the Army office that was supposed to authorize it was not filled until this year.
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2017, 09:00:25 PM »
Does anyone know where the resistance was to make this happen?  I assume it was on the military side, but I recall hearing the Army office that was supposed to authorize it was not filled until this year.

No, the resistance wasn't from the .mil. It was from the Democrats, and the embedded liberals within the .gov. The military wants to get rid of the 1911s, because they don't want the expense and the responsibility of storing them and keeping track of them. In fact, I have a suspicion that the transfers began (physically) several months ago. Over on The Firing Line (I think, or maybe it was M1911.org, or maybe both) a newbie showed up asking some very specific questions about a military M1911A1 with a couple of unusual markings. He didn't say who he was, but he said something about grading a bunch of guns. Hmmm ...

His location was given as Anniston, AL ... and the headquarters of the CMP is Anniston, AL.
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2017, 09:30:31 PM »
How come Trump not letting us buy .46 caliber guns, huh?

Depending on barrel erosion, he might be.

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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2017, 09:47:42 PM »
So Trump is selling us out-of-tolerance and possible unsafe weapons!?
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2017, 10:10:02 PM »
So Trump is selling us out-of-tolerance and possible unsafe weapons!?

Don't think of it as unsafe; just adventurous.

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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2017, 10:11:26 PM »
I'm glad to see this finally happening. It will be interesting to see the arguments that the antis use.  . . .
I saw a "news" piece claiming .gov was going to sell SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL GUNS THE ARMY HAS to civilians.

Nope, not 155mm howitzers, not 20mm rotary cannon, not 25mm chain guns, not 120mm tank guns . . . but .45 caliber pistols.

THAT is one of the arguments the antis are using.  :facepalm:
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2017, 10:16:44 PM »
It's a little known fact that the Enola Gay didn't actually drop an A-bomb on our Japanese friends, instead bombardier Thomas Ferebee just leaned out of the bomb-bay doors, fired one round from his Air Force issued 1911 and Hiroshima went poof.
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2017, 10:18:05 PM »
I saw a "news" piece claiming .gov was going to sell SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL GUNS THE ARMY HAS to civilians.

Nope, not 155mm howitzers, not 20mm rotary cannon, not 25mm chain guns, not 120mm tank guns . . . but .45 caliber pistols.

THAT is one of the arguments the antis are using.  :facepalm:

Well, after all, if a .45 hits the tip of your pinky finger it'll blow you clear across the room and through the wall.
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2017, 10:38:58 PM »
Well, after all, if a .45 hits the tip of your pinky finger it'll blow you clear across the room and through the wall.

Yeah, but that's the .45 Colt revolver cartridge.  That extra 25 grains of bullet weight makes all the difference ;)
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2017, 10:45:39 PM »
I saw a "news" piece claiming .gov was going to sell SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL GUNS THE ARMY HAS to civilians.

Nope, not 155mm howitzers, not 20mm rotary cannon, not 25mm chain guns, not 120mm tank guns . . . but .45 caliber pistols.

THAT is one of the arguments the antis are using.  :facepalm:

Seems like that's ripe for the counter argument that it's a slow, plodding round that travels only half as fast as their modern stuff.  =D
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2017, 01:09:46 AM »
Seems like that's ripe for the counter argument that it's a slow, plodding round that travels only half as fast as their modern stuff.  =D

That's what the liberals would be arguing if we were proposing to sell the M9 pistols that are becoming obsolete with the introduction of the new sigs.

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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2017, 02:29:28 AM »
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Yeah, and that M9 ammo is specifically "for war."

Eeeeek !

It's even labeled as "parabellum."

Definitely not a "sporting purpose."

I gotcher "sporting purpose" right here.  <grabs crotch>

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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2017, 07:01:37 AM »
Oh mah gerd! Won't someone think of the little chillruns of color?
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2017, 12:08:13 PM »
Oh mah gerd! Won't someone think of the little chillruns of color?
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Re: President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2017, 08:23:21 PM »
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Yeah, and that M9 ammo is specifically "for war."

Eeeeek !

It's even labeled as "parabellum."

Definitely not a "sporting purpose."

I gotcher "sporting purpose" right here.  <grabs crotch>

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The M9's were made in the US correct?  "Sporting purpose" should never apply.
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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2017, 10:01:03 PM »
The M9's were made in the US correct?  "Sporting purpose" should never apply.

Same with 1911's and the "Korean" carbines, since they were made in the US.
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