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25 k lead is looking good
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I wouldn't get too excited. Franken will steal this election.
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I wouldn't get too excited. Franken will steal this election.
I thought only Republicans stole elections from their rightful Democrat winners
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I wouldn't get too excited. Franken will steal this election.
If it can be stolen, the representative of the Democratic (sic) party will steal it.
One of the weirdest comments I saw the day after the election was some self-appointed genius' remark to the effect of, "Isn't that amazing? There weren't any disputes about the presidential election!"
Not when the extreme leftists win.
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All Al needs to do is move to New York state for like 20 minutes then he can be appointed to full fill Hillary's seat.
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He wouldn't do that. (the NY thing, not the steal thing)
This whole thing is personal for him; he was a good friend of Paul Wellstone, and he took Coleman's winning somewhat personal.
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I wouldn't get too excited. Franken will steal this election.
I'm really hoping this board doesn't turn into a slightly more literate version of DU during the Obama's years.
The Franken-Coleman election is going to be decided based on the ballots of people that couldn't properly fill them out. You could flip a coin for all I care at this point.
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I was looking through my trunk, and found a bunch of Minnesota absentee ballots . . . all, amazingly enough, cast for Coleman.
Where do I need to send them to be sure every vote is counted?
And how many does Coleman need much postage do I need?
:angel:
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I'm really hoping this board doesn't turn into a slightly more literate version of DU during the Obama's years.
The Franken-Coleman election is going to be decided based on the ballots of people that couldn't properly fill them out. You could flip a coin for all I care at this point.
That depends on how many ballots "turn up" from car trunks, etc.
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That depends on how many ballots "turn up" from car trunks, etc.
The car trunk story was debunked.
http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2008/11/13/4585/hannity_and_pawlenty_still_passing_car_ballot_fiction
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The car trunk story was debunked.
http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2008/11/13/4585/hannity_and_pawlenty_still_passing_car_ballot_fiction
I'm glad to see that one wasn't true. I guess the "yes, you can register a park bench as a residence" now retakes its place as tied for top election fiasco, along with investigating people who dare to question Obama, and public officials stating they will go after "liars."
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I must be truly embarrassed for my nation, if Franken becomes a senator. A flocking SENATOR!!
But it will be a fitting outcome for the election year that gave us Barack Obama. =)
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I suppose the best thing about this electoral cycle is the "I told you so" opportunities in the future.
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Tonight's update
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 909114
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 890899
Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 908063 41.95
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 889891 41.11
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 363852 16.81
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 1401 0.06
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 1400 0.06
Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 74.18 %
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I suppose the best thing about this electoral cycle is the "I told you so" opportunities in the future.
Oh, I am deriving glorious gloating opportunities from it.
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I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around anyone voting for Al Franken for a small City Council position, much less a senator.
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Update
Statewide Recount Results for US Senate Totals
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 980121
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 977580
Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 978751 41.58
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 976187 41.47
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 395548 16.80
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 1758 0.07
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 1836 0.08
Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 80.62 %
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Oh, I am deriving glorious gloating opportunities from it.
I have a friend who backed McCain from day one of the primaries. We were all really surprised he didn't pick someone more conservative.
And now we get to mock him, next time he's in town. It will be delicious. :laugh:
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I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around anyone voting for Al Franken for a small City Council position, much less a senator.
Al Franken - Councilman of Perfection, NV. That I could see . . . especially if nobody else was running.
But U.S. Senator?
I wonder how many Minnesotans voted for Franken just as a protest vote or a joke . . . and are now regretting it? (On the other hand, they did elect - and re-elect - Paul Wellstone. ;/ )
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I have a friend who backed McCain from day one of the primaries. We were all really surprised he didn't pick someone more conservative.
And now we get to mock him, next time he's in town. It will be delicious. :laugh:
There's a person on my campus who claims to be an Objectivist-Libertarian and spent the primary season explaining to me how nice moderate Republicans are. Then he rooted for McCain. You imagine my mocking.
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In the Soviet Obamanation, mocking imagines YOU.
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Last update
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 1046101
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 1042208
Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 1044255 41.56
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 1040285 41.41
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 423102 16.84
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 2292 0.09
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 2448 0.10
Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 86.04 %
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Well, it seems the gap is narrowing. From 25,000 to less than 2,000.
And the challenges cover the spread.
Is there any sequence as to the way the voting districts are counted, that could explain the narrowing gap?
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UPDATE:
Franken's court challenge to get disqualified absentee ballots counted was rejected.
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Well, it seems the gap is narrowing. From 25,000 to less than 2,000.
I see the gap in the recounted ballots at 3970, not just under 2k . . . are you using Democrat arithmetic?
:laugh:
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Hey, at least Franken will leave the country if he loses... :laugh: ;)
http://feedyouradhd.blogspot.com/2008/11/franken-vows-to-leave-country.html
Disgusted with an elections process that won’t allow him to steal enough votes to win, (not so funny) comedian Al Franken (D) vowed today to leave the country as soon as possible.
“Damn. I really thought those crackpots on the Board of Canvassers were going to let me win this thing, but they apparently believe in fair elections up here,” Franken said, flapping his ample lips. “This is ridiculous. If a man can’t steal an election, how can we say there is liberty and freedom to pursue happiness in this country? I’m going to leave this friggin’ place. It’s not socialist enough yet. I’ll go live with Sean Penn…or maybe Alec Baldwin. He’s funnier than I am.”
Franken made his statement after the Minnesota Board of Canvassers unanimously rejected his request to count 12,000 absentee ballots in a recount of the state’s hotly contested Senate race.
At the start of the recount Franken trailed Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.) by 215 votes, of the 2.9 million ballots cast. Officials have recounted about 80 percent of the ballots, and Coleman maintains a slim lead.
The two campaigns are challenging about 3,600 votes, including 500 for Prince, 427 for former Minnesota governor Jesse “The Body” Ventura, and another 427 for Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson.
“Clearly those voters intended to vote for me,” Franken said. “None of those guys is a Republican, anyway. You know everybody loves me here. Just look at me: I have an electable face!”
Franken has fallen on hard times since the progressive Air America radio network failed to win advertisers and had to go underground (like your humble narrator) to the Internet. Most recently he was selling shoes at a discount store in Minneapolis at the Mall of America under the name of Al Bundy.
Baldwin could not be reached for comment. He and Penn were attending a charity event at a terrorist training camp in Pakistan.
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Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 1103291
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 1107528
Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 1100922 41.37
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 1105030 41.52
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 449235 16.88
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 2876 0.11
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 3067 0.12
Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 91.13 %
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Well that's a kick in the crotch. =|
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Well that's a kick in the crotch. =|
It ain't over yet.
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There's a 4,000 vote gap. 6,000 votes to be counted.
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According to this morning's Star Tribune, Coleman is up by 340 votes.
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Be careful if Franken shows up at the recount place wearing some of those baggy Sandy Berger pants...
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I wonder how fresh the ink is on some of those Franken ballots?
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I just know that everybody in America is wondering how this is going to affect.......
Al Franken ;/
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Al Franken
Shoot, I hope this does not cause him to stop making all that fine satire music we've enjoyed over the years. =D
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Coleman lost 37 votes as of yesterday at this time, according to the Star Tribune.
He's now up by 303 votes.
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I hope the Mpls Red Star's source is better and more accurate than the MN .gov link at the beginning of this thread, which shows Franken with a lead of 2535, with 92.69% of the recount done. (Not including challenged ballots.)
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According to FNC this morning, a number of ballots not previously counted, have now been "found".
I smell a rat.
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Latest update
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 1122217
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 1124840
Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 1119878 41.38
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 1122413 41.47
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 458290 16.93
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 2910 0.11
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 3093 0.11
Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 92.69 %
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Then where the hell is the Star Tribune getting their figures?
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Even the Associated Press is saying that Coleman is ahead...
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New ballots "found" . . . ???
Found??
If someone took the trouble to lift fingerprints off those new "found" ballots, I wonder if one or two sets would show up with significantly more frequency than others.
Sounds like a job for Jim March.
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Then where the hell is the Star Tribune getting their figures?
Basically what they're doing is they're comparing recount figures to original count figures for the precincts that have reported recount results, and are assuming no change from the original count for the precincts that have not yet reported recount results.
It'll all come down to how the ballot challenges come out. Both sides have challanged around 3000 ballots and if the courts side more with Franken he might be able to steal it. But at the current rate, Franken would have to win around 10% more of the challanges than Colman just to even up the count.
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Aparently Franken has some magic formula that predicts how many challenges he'll win; and he's releasing that number to the press.
The topsy-turvy Minnesota Senate race just took another twist when the Al Franken camp announced on a conference call with reporters that it believes Franken is now ahead of Sen. Norman Coleman in the recount -- by less than two dozen votes.
This is predicated on the Franken camp's methodology for counting challenged ballots, which is not unreasonable but also not foolproof.
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Aparently Franken has some magic formula that predicts how many challenges he'll win; and he's releasing that number to the press.
The formula is easy:
i) you find out you are behind by 200 votes
ii) you "search the back seat of a staffers car" for 300 votes
iii) you are now ahead by 100 votes.
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The formula is easy:
i) you find out you are behind by 200 votes
ii) you "search the back seat of a staffers car" for 300 votes
iii) you are now ahead by 100 votes.
The staffers car story was debunked.
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The staffers car story was debunked.
According to FNC, the newly "found" ballots were found in a machine that failed on election day.
Apparently they gave Al Franken a 36 vote bounce.
I still smell a rat.
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Last update
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 1177465
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 1188736
Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 1174964 41.24
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 1186134 41.63
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 481922 16.91
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 3085 0.11
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 3241 0.11
Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 97.58 %
* These totals do not include results for 633 challenged ballots that were withdrawn by the Al Franken campaign.
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According to FNC, the newly "found" ballots were found in a machine that failed on election day.
Apparently they gave Al Franken a 36 vote bounce.
I still smell a rat.
I will find a link to the debunking, but basically what I remember was, electionworkers didn't get the box to the clearinghouse before it closed, so they ended up taking the box to city hall, and both parties minders agreed on how it was to be secured until the next day.
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Today's Ann Coulter column included this point made by John Lott:
"Just this week, liberal Ramsey County "discovered" 171 new votes from a single voting machine in a single precinct. An analysis by John Lott shows that these newly "discovered" votes represent yet another statistical improbability that favors Franken: Despite the fact that Maplewood precinct No. 6 gave Franken only 45.4 percent of the original, untampered-with vote, the newly "discovered" votes gave Franken 53.2 percent of the vote."
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According to today's Star Tribune, Coleman's lead is back up to 316 votes.
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I will find a link to the debunking, but basically what I remember was, electionworkers didn't get the box to the clearinghouse before it closed, so they ended up taking the box to city hall, and both parties minders agreed on how it was to be secured until the next day.
This is a different story.
I believe the one story of which you speak, was the ballots in the trunk of the car of an election worker. A story which was debunked.
I am speaking of the 174 (?) ballots found in the ballot machine, just a couple days ago.
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According to the Star Tribune, the recount is over and Coleman has a 251 vote lead.
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If Coleman has the lead with anything less than a couple of thousand votes, somehow I think it really won't be over. If it were Franken with 251, then that would be a significant and indisputable lead.
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According to the Star Tribune, the recount is over and Coleman has a 251 vote lead.
Bet you Franken will sue. Air America didn't know when to quit, either.
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Bet you Franken will sue. Air America didn't know when to quit, either.
I wonder if Franken will use the Air America fundraising scheme to pay for the suit? Does he have access to any charities he can embezzle funds from?
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Last update
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 1210995
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 1210285
Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 1208344 41.41
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 1207657 41.38
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 495475 16.98
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 3280 0.11
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 3375 0.12
Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 99.93 %
* These totals do not include results for any challenged ballots that were withdrawn by the candidates.
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According to the Star Tribune, the recount is over and Coleman has a 251 vote lead.
I don't know how the recount can be over, when the issue of the disputed ballots still remains to be resolved.
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It won't be over until Franken concedes, and I don't think he plans to concede just yet.
And I believe the various public officials involved with the recount will allow Franken to keep this thing alive for awhile longer, at least until some other legal action forces them to wrap this up.
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Too bad they didn't have a run-off provision like in GA. That would have made the recount unnecessary. Whoever won, at least there wouldn't be so much acrimony.
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Too bad they didn't have a run-off provision like in GA. That would have made the recount unnecessary. Whoever won, at least there wouldn't be so much acrimony.
Very true.
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Looks like at 710 vote lead for Coleman......
Anybody want to give odds on them finding..... oh say.... 800 Franken ballots ??
(And how come they NEVER find any missing Republican ballots ??) ;/ :mad:
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Looks like at 710 vote lead for Coleman......
Anybody want to give odds on them finding..... oh say.... 800 Franken ballots ??
(And how come they NEVER find any missing Republican ballots ??) ;/ :mad:
You were saying?
Franken's campaign said that a dozen "UOCAVA" ballots had been found in a Minneapolis-area warehouse by election officials searching for 133 ballots gone missing during the hand recount in the urban center's 3rd ward, 1st precinct. The ballots come from uniformed and overseas voters and were previously unopened and counted, Franken officials said.
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/12/08/more-ballots-found-in-minnesota-senate-recount/ (http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/12/08/more-ballots-found-in-minnesota-senate-recount/)
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If Coleman's lead is 710, why would they even bother opening and counting 133 missing ballots?
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Too bad they didn't have a run-off provision like in GA. That would have made the recount unnecessary. Whoever won, at least there wouldn't be so much acrimony.
Very true, and then they'd be forced to cheat all over again... Pretty much clinching a Coleman win, because you'd never be able to rile up the Obamanoids to come out in those numbers again.
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If Coleman's lead is 710, why would they even bother opening and counting 133 missing ballots?
It reduces the number of ballots they have to "find" over the next few days.
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Considering how angry Franken was when "Bush stole the election" I just know that he wouldn't do the same thing.
Yeah, I don't buy it either. It's a shame, I actually LIKE Al Franken, but I like lots of people I don't want in the Senate, or politics in general.
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Considering how angry Franken was when "Bush stole the election" I just know that he wouldn't do the same thing.
Yeah, I don't buy it either. It's a shame, I actually LIKE Al Franken, but I like lots of people I don't want in the Senate, or politics in general.
Buffett is a fanstastic rocker as well. I still wouldn't trust the dude to make our laws...
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I used to be a huge fan of this guy.
What happened? did I grow up or did he get really immature?
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I used to be a huge fan of this guy.
What happened? did I grow up or did he get really immature?
He hates Bush
Paul Wellstone, his friend, died.
He took both personally, and I think he feels somehow beating Norm Coleman will do something.
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I used to be a huge fan of this guy.
What happened? did I grow up or did he get really immature?
I'm thinking you must have matured. I have never liked his so called comedy, has always invoked a combination gag/push his face in reflex with me.
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I have always found him to be painfully unfunny.
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Even when he was trying to be funny his "humor" came across as strained.
Now that he's been political for a while, his "humor" isn't even funny . . . it's in the realm of "Oooh, look at me, I'm so clever I can call him names! And make funny faces at people I don't like!" ;/
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The Stewart Smalley episode with Michael Jordan was a gut-buster. But that was mainly because of Jordan.
Imagine Al Franken trying to convince Michael Jordan that he (Michael Jordan) is not a contemptible failure that everyone hates. :lol:
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So, is Coleman's victory "official" yet?
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So, is Coleman's victory "official" yet?
I hear they're waiting for the ink to dry on some additional Franken ballots . . .
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Good gravy! They're going to give that election to Franken one way or another. Just get it done, already!
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Al Franken gets boosts in Minnesota Senate recount
And it's Franken going for the steal !!! :mad:
Whenever a Democrat say "it's a great day for Democracy", you know they just screwed over Republicans....
http://www.wlsam.com/news.asp?c=5149&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhosted%2Eap%2Eorg%2Fdynamic%2Fstories%2FM%2FMINNESOTA%5FSENATE%3FSITE%3DWLSAM%26SECTION%3DHOME%26TEMPLATE%3DDEFAULT
By BRIAN BAKST
Associated Press Writer
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) -- Democrat Al Franken won a pair of victories Friday before the state board overseeing the Senate recount, including a decision that as many as 1,500 incorrectly rejected absentee ballots should be included.
The board also opted to recommend use of election night results in a Franken-leaning Minneapolis precinct where 133 ballots went missing, a decision that could have cost him 46 votes if it had gone the other way. [what about those 20,000 Coleman votes I found in the trunk of my car ??]
"It was a great day for democracy," Franken attorney Marc Elias said after a hearing that drew protesters urging use of rejected absentee votes.
Franken had fought especially hard to include the absentees as he tries to overtake Republican Sen. Norm Coleman in the drawn-out recount.
Coleman's campaign lawyers said they would go to court over the absentee ballot ruling.
With all precincts recounted, Coleman has a 192-vote edge over Franken - down slightly from his 215-vote lead entering the recount.
But there's a long way to go. That margin doesn't include the absentees. Nor does it include any of the 6,655 ballot challenges the two campaigns filed during the recount. Both sides have withdrawn hundreds - including 750 Friday by Franken - but the state Canvassing Board will tackle some 3,450 starting Tuesday.
The board's decision on improperly rejected absentees doesn't guarantee they will be opened and counted because it doesn't have the power to order counties to do so. Most counties have gone forward with a voluntary sorting, though others have balked.
But Secretary of State Mark Ritchie said he's not worried about getting counties aboard.
"They are sobered and they would like to correct those errors," he said.
Coleman's campaign planned to file a petition with the state Supreme Court as soon as Friday to seek uniform rules for dealing with the absentee ballots, arguing that leaving the task to counties would create inconsistencies.
Coleman lawyer Tony Trimble said the campaign is asking counties to hold off on any action involving the ballots until the court weighs in.
At least 638 absentee ballots are known to have been rejected for something other than the four legal reasons for disqualification. That's based on an assessment of about half of Minnesota's counties by the secretary of state's office. State officials estimate the total could top 1,500.
It's not known which candidate stands to benefit most from those ballots.
"It would be unjust and disrespectful to those voters not to count those votes," said Judge Edward Cleary, one of four who sit with Ritchie on the board.
About 30 demonstrators gathered outside the Capitol hearing room to urge Canvassing Board members to count the absentee ballots. They held handmade signs saying "Let the people's votes count" and "Count every vote." Some wore "Count every vote" stickers.
The board acted after receiving a legal opinion from the office of Minnesota Attorney General Lori Swanson, a Democrat, that the ballots should be counted.
"There is no doubt that voters who have complied with all legal requirements, but whose ballots were improperly rejected, should have their vote counted," it read.
The opinion laid out several options for getting the ballots into the count, some involving court action and others through administrative means. It says that the campaigns are free to seek court orders to compel counties to take part.
The board voted unanimously to rely on tapes from a ballot counting machine rather than results from the manual recount in a precinct in the University of Minnesota area in Minneapolis. Coleman's campaign had argued against using anything but the recount figures.
A packet of ballots from the precinct couldn't be found after an exhaustive search of the city's elections warehouse. Consequently, the recount showed 133 fewer votes than the number of people who signed in on Election Day or who voted absentee.
Because Franken decisively won the precinct, he stood to lose the most votes if the board went with the recount tally over the machine tapes.
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So if a recount in a particular precinct favors Coleman, then ignore the recount and use the original records, even if they include ballots that for all anyone knows are fictitious, or were counted twice.
Of course, if a recount favors Franken, then the recount MUST be more accurate and MUST be used, to the exclusion of the original records.
What chutzpah - they're not even PRETENDING to do anything but commit election fraud . . . and it looks like The Stupid Party is just going to stand around and take it!
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Precincts Recounted: 100.00% (4130 of 4130) Last update was: 12/12/2008 5:01:18 PM
Statewide Recount Results for US Senate
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 1211590
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 1211375
Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 1208935 41.40
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 1208747 41.39
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 495920 16.98
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 3278 0.11
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 3377 0.12
Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 100.00 %
* These totals do not include results for any challenged ballots that were withdrawn by the candidates.
Created 12/12/2008 6:53:12 PM (0.0156)
http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/SenateRecount.asp
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So, is that the official end? Can we finally put the pacifier back in Franken's mouth?
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So, is that the official end?
Of course not. Franken hasn't won yet.
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This morning, Sen. Coleman's camp filed a petition with the MN Supreme Court, asking it to establish standards for how these 1,600-some-odd absentee ballots will be reviewed:
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/36106849.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUs (http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/36106849.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUs)
My favorite quote:
Marc Elias, Franken's lead recount attorney, called the Coleman petition "an extraordinary action to try and halt this count and re-disenfranchise these voters.
Re-disenfranchisement? Is that like wealth re-redistribution?
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In a perfect world Republican Senators would treat Franken, should he gain office, as invisible...much as a lot of his voters are "invisible."
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In a perfect world Republican Senators Americans would treat Frank, should he gain office, as invisible...much as a lot of his voters are "invisible."
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^^ agreed. Personally, I find it disturbing that this election was anywhere near this close. =|
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Me too. But I'll repeat that the election of Al Franken would have been a fitting commentary on the election of Barack Obama.
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AP is now reporting that Coleman's lead has dwindled to TWO votes...
This ain't good.
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Come on, guys, it is only fitting that a former Saturday Night Live stalwart rise to power in the Age of Mockery. That half the voters of a formerly sober state like Minnesota would actually vote for Al Franken says volumes about America today. Unfortunately, we can't just change the station.
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Strategy: Keep counting the votes until you get +1, then call for an end.
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Star Tribune is now saying Franken is leading by 250 votes.
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Recount the votes long enough and the Dem will always win.
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Holy Mackerel!! I just looked in my garage and I found 500 absentee ballots. Stop the presses and call the election board. ;/
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http://senaterecount.startribune.com/ballots/index.php?review_date=2008-12-18&index=171
Here is an example where the Minnesota Canvassing Board claims the vote is clearly for Franken.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsenaterecount.startribune.com%2Fmedia%2FballotImages%2Fminneapolis_4_8_challengedballot3.png&hash=b000b55bd040409bc05a6db9578063d5a5741d10)
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What the hell is that democratic/farmer/labor thing? I can't believe any farmers are behind this horse's ass.
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What the hell is that democratic/farmer/labor thing? I can't believe any farmers are behind this horse's ass.
You obviously haven't received any crop subsidies lately.
What chutzpah - they're not even PRETENDING to do anything but commit election fraud . . . and it looks like The Stupid Party is just going to stand around and take it!
Easy on the name calling, eh? It's we, the people who are stupid. The Republicrats and Democans sorted things out a long, long time ago. They get to take turns. We get to pick up the tab and sacrifice more and more of our civil rights in the name of "public safety," or some such high-sounding lie.
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Here is an example where the Minnesota Canvassing Board claims the vote is clearly for Franken.
No, they said it went to Coleman.
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No, they said it went to Coleman.
you're just going with what you see, Minnesota’s state election officials see a Franken vote
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Schumer states the board will be announcing Franken on Monday. Coleman is still looking to get some 600 absentee ballots counted.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090104/pl_politico/27716
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Schumer states the board will be announcing Franken on Monday. Coleman is still looking to get some 600 absentee ballots counted.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090104/pl_politico/27716
Schumer needs to have a procedural manual thrown at him. As hard as possible.
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Does anyone remember a ballot recount that was so blatantly biased? I mean, c'mon. The "missing" ballots from one town show up, are counted, and 100% of them were for Franken?
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If the GOP permits this travesty to stand, they are worthless, beyond redemption.
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Does anyone remember a ballot recount that was so blatantly biased? I mean, c'mon. The "missing" ballots from one town show up, are counted, and 100% of them were for Franken?
Florida, in 2000 for one. Ohio in 2004 for another. Minnesota will be the poster child for election fraud in 2008.
Everybody gets their turn.
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Florida, in 2000 for one. Ohio in 2004 for another. Minnesota will be the poster child for election fraud in 2008.
Everybody gets their turn.
Ummm, guess again....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount
The media reported the results of the study during the week after November 12, 2001. The results of the study showed that had the limited county by county recounts requested by the Gore team been completed, Bush would still have been the winner of the election.
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Florida, in 2000 for one. Ohio in 2004 for another. Minnesota will be the poster child for election fraud in 2008.
Everybody gets their turn.
don't know about Ohio, but Bush won FL.
Al was a sore loser.
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I mean, c'mon. The "missing" ballots from one town show up, are counted, and 100% of them were for Franken?
Monkeyleg, do you have a verifiable source for that? I have some Dem Inlaws in MN I'd really like to ask about that, if I had good data.
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Are the ballots that were date-stamped November 2 - two days before the election, and overwhelmingly for Franken - being included in the total?
Is the count from the original voting in the "Dinkytown" neighborhood of Minneapolis being included in the total, rather than the recount which was ~130 ballots (overwhelmingly for Franken) shy of the election day total?
If the GOP permits this travesty to stand, they are worthless, beyond redemption.
I normally don't do it in these forums, but I have to give THIS comment a big "+1" . . .
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If the GOP permits this travesty to stand, they are worthless, beyond redemption.
Election fraud? Acorn? Huh wha? Frank caused the Fannie meltdown? Wha? zzzz...
OMG PALIN WENT OFF MESSAGE! THAT'S IMPORTANT!
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Jane Curtin: Well, the 1970's are in their final month, and with some thoughts on this decade and the one we're about to enter, here's Weekend Update's Social Sciences Editor Al Franken.
Al Franken: Thank you, Jane. Well, the "me" decade is almost over, and good riddance, and far as I'm concerned. The 70's were simply 10 years of people thinking of nothing but themselves. No wonder we were unable to get together and solve any of the many serious problems facing our nation. Oh sure, some people did do some positive things in the 70's - like jogging - but always for the wrong reasons, for their own selfish, personal benefit. Well, I believe the 80's are gonna have to be different. I think that people are going to stop thinking about themselves, and start thinking about me, Al Franken. That's right. I believe we're entering what I like to call the Al Franken Decade. Oh, for me, Al Franken, the 80's will be pretty much the same as the 70's. I'll still be thinking of me, Al Franken. But for you, you'll be thinking more about how things affect me, Al Franken. When you see a news report, you'll be thinking, "I wonder what Al Franken thinks about this thing?", "I wonder how this inflation thing is hurting Al Franken?" And you women will be thinking, "What can I wear that will please Al Franken?", or "What can I not wear?" You know, I know a lot of you out there are thinking, "Why Al Franken?" Well, because I thought of it, and I'm on TV, so I've already gotten the jump on you. So, I say let's leave behind the fragmented, selfish 70's, and go into the 80's with a unity and purpose. That's what I think. I'm Al Franken. Jane?
Jane Curtin: Thank you, Al. That's the news. Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.
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http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=534746&catid=2
Court rejects Coleman argument; state board poised to declare Franken winner
Updated: 1/5/2009 12:29:33 PM
ST. PAUL, Minn. –– The Minnesota Supreme Court has rejected Republican Norm Coleman's request to count an additional 650 rejected absentee ballots in the state's U.S. Senate recount.
The court's ruling Monday likely paves the way for the state Canvassing Board to certify results showing Democrat Al Franken won the race. But Coleman's attorneys have said they are likely to sue if he loses the recount, meaning it could be weeks more before the outcome is final.
Coleman had argued the ballots were improperly rejected. In a five-page ruling, the high court said the dispute was among issues better handled in an "election contest," or lawsuit.
Franken leads Coleman by 225 votes after the state finished counting more than 900 absentee ballots that the state and the campaigns earlier had agreed were improperly rejected.
(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
All Material Copyright 2009 KARE-11. All Rights Reserved.
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The apparent victory of Frankensenator has put the exclamation point on the demise of representative government in this once noble Republic of ours. It is a travesty, a dirty joke, a profanation.
All we need is for Caroline Kennedy, that absurd expression of the unelected picking the unelected, to join him in the Senatorial ranks.
Every day this country looks more and more like a re-run of I, Claudius.
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Florida, in 2000 for one. Ohio in 2004 for another. Minnesota will be the poster child for election fraud in 2008.
Everybody gets their turn.
Something tells me this won't happen for Presidential election in Iowa.
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http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=534746&catid=2
Court rejects Coleman argument; state board poised to declare Franken winner
Updated: 1/5/2009 12:29:33 PM
ST. PAUL, Minn. –– The Minnesota Supreme Court has rejected Republican Norm Coleman's request to count an additional 650 rejected absentee ballots in the state's U.S. Senate recount.
The court's ruling Monday likely paves the way for the state Canvassing Board to certify results showing Democrat Al Franken won the race. But Coleman's attorneys have said they are likely to sue if he loses the recount, meaning it could be weeks more before the outcome is final.
Coleman had argued the ballots were improperly rejected. In a five-page ruling, the high court said the dispute was among issues better handled in an "election contest," or lawsuit.
Franken leads Coleman by 225 votes after the state finished counting more than 900 absentee ballots that the state and the campaigns earlier had agreed were improperly rejected.
(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
All Material Copyright 2009 KARE-11. All Rights Reserved.
Headline: Minnesota Court Declares Comedian Win, Becomes Joke.
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Stuart Smalley: You know what? I think this is the best show I've ever done. And you know what? I deserve it! [ turns to his mirror ] Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggonit, people like me!
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Just heard on the news that MN has Certified the election and Stuart Smalley is now a US Senator......
We're doom-uh-did.....
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you're just going with what you see, Minnesota’s state election officials see a Franken vote
I'm not sure if this is some kind of weird joke or what. If you go to your link (http://senaterecount.startribune.com/ballots/index.php?review_date=2008-12-18&index=171) you'll see a table above the image.
The first line indicates who challenged the ballot. There's a little 'x' in that candidate's box if they challenged it. The 'x' is in the Franken's box on that line.
The 3rd line shows how the board voted. In this case 98% of them voted that the ballot went to Coleman.
The 4th line shows who they credited with the vote, and that is Coleman again.
Were you making a joke or do you really think that the board would publish all of this hoping that nobody went through and actually added up the numbers?
I don't get it.
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I'm not sure if this is some kind of weird joke or what.
I'm guessing he posted that originally because of a John Lott / Fox News article. The website was apparently wrong (http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2008/12/19/5441/recount_how_lott_misleads) for awhile and John ran with it.
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The Senate is full of comedians and jokers. Franken will fit right in.
PS: Did anyone notice that Al Franken actually looks like the Joker?
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I heard on TV last night that a couple of dozen precincts have vote totals that exceed the number of people who actually voted . . . and Minnesota's election officials have accepted these totals. ;/
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They believe in abundance, not scarcity, that's all.
If ever there were a time to press "re-set"...
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PS: Did anyone notice that Al Franken actually looks like the Joker?
Yeah...but he looks like the Caesar Romero Joker...so I'm not impressed... :laugh:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.superherostuff.com%2Fcesar_romero_joker_1.jpg&hash=7d1c77b617e46a1c4ceb09167ba6887e1dea350b)
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Seeker:
That comparison, while somewhat apt, is gravely insulting to Mr. Romero. You should be slightly ashamed. :lol:
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Coleman is supposed to file in court today, putting Franken's "Win" in jeporady.....
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The Constitution is now a joke and Franken is just the punchline.
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The Constitution is now a joke and Franken is just the punchline.
I like how when it's, say, Fred Thompson running, the Dems go "We can't have a (successful) actor as President", but when it's Al Franken (a failed radio talk show host) running for Senate, it's A-OK.
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The Constitution is now a joke and Franken is just the punchline.
So what's actually new?
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Maybe what's new is that the jokers now seem to be the rule rather than the exception...?