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Title: Haiti
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2024, 11:54:42 AM
Excellent example of why I'm glad I live in a free state in a 2nd Amendment country. What a shitshow.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/americas/haiti-ariel-henry-gangs-protests-bsap-intl-latam/index.html
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 04, 2024, 11:57:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMLkBTgxPhU
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: BobR on March 04, 2024, 03:56:46 PM
I'll take it seriously when they start cross dressing and wearing kapok life jackets to ward off the danger from bullets fired at them!

That country has been near the bottom or on the bottom of the dung heap when it come to crap holes for so long now I am surprised any one is surprised at this type of reporting.

bob
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2024, 04:27:42 PM

That country has been near the bottom or on the bottom of the dung heap when it come to crap holes for so long now I am surprised any one is surprised at this type of reporting.

bob

It's an excellent long time example of international do-gooder "but if we just throw more money their way..." rinse and repeat.

EDIT: I just looked it up, and apparently $13 billion since the 2010 earthquake. Even the NY Times labeled it "a perpetual aid state". The US is sending them $65 million for this current mess.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: K Frame on March 04, 2024, 04:42:19 PM
Coming soon to multiple cities in the United States near you...

Oh... wait...
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: dogmush on March 04, 2024, 05:09:17 PM
Coming soon to multiple cities in the United States near you...

Oh... wait...

We have our problems here, but I've never been to any American city even approaching how bad Port-Au-Prince was when I was there in 1998, and it hasn't gotten any better.  Haiti is on a level with some of the worst cities in West Africa.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 04, 2024, 05:14:15 PM
Not exactly reassuring it can get worse
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2024, 05:21:05 PM
We have our problems here, but I've never been to any American city even approaching how bad Port-Au-Prince was when I was there in 1998, and it hasn't gotten any better.  Haiti is on a level with some of the worst cities in West Africa.

I'm assuming for work (unless you're one of those extreme vacation guys   :laugh: ). Did you go feet dry, or stay on the water?
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: HankB on March 04, 2024, 05:49:57 PM
It's an excellent long time example of international do-gooder "but if we just throw more money their way..." rinse and repeat.

EDIT: I just looked it up, and apparently $13 billion since the 2010 earthquake. Even the NY Times labeled it "a perpetual aid state". The US is sending them $65 million for this current mess.
Q: And how much of that is flowing back here under the table to select individuals?
A: Enough to keep the money train going.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 04, 2024, 05:57:07 PM
Q: And how much of that is flowing back here under the table to select individuals?
A: Enough to keep the money train going.

I seem to recall the Clintons supposedly had money moving in and out of Haiti.

Hold on, there's a knock on the door.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2024, 06:01:57 PM
I seem to recall the Clintons supposedly had money moving in and out of Haiti.

Hold on, there's a knock on the door.

RIP.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: dogmush on March 04, 2024, 09:02:57 PM
I'm assuming for work (unless you're one of those extreme vacation guys   :laugh: ). Did you go feet dry, or stay on the water?

Feet dry. We were delivering "Aid".  I actually had an old lady curse the HMMWV I was in.  Not "swear at", curse.  As in she leaped into the road, cut the head off a live chicken, and painted a symbol in blood on the hood while screaming in...Haitian I guess?  Another language anyways.

I heard there were firefights and everything we had given the locals was stolen before the boat hit international waters, but can't confirm that.

I know some of the guys that were there after the earthquake,  and they tell stories of the outgoing tides washing bodies out to sea as the gangs used the 'quake as cover to kill folks on their *expletive deleted*it lists.

There's a fair bit of Piracy near that island as well.

Overall, it's a really bad place in a way that's really hard to internalize if you haven't been to one of the world's real shitholes.

Baghdad circa 2009 was better.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: K Frame on March 05, 2024, 08:02:57 AM
We have our problems here, but I've never been to any American city even approaching how bad Port-Au-Prince was when I was there in 1998, and it hasn't gotten any better.  Haiti is on a level with some of the worst cities in West Africa.

Just wait. We Americans can rise to the top given any challenge. And I'm pretty sure that the Liberals see this as a challenge.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2024, 08:16:39 AM
Just wait. We Americans can rise to the top given any challenge. And I'm pretty sure that the Liberals see this as a challenge.

A turd on top of a pile of turds is still a turd
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: RocketMan on March 05, 2024, 08:33:14 AM
A turd on top of a pile of turds is still a turd

No, that is "equity".  According to leftists, it's the mostest wonderfulest thing on the whole wide planet.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: HankB on March 05, 2024, 06:47:54 PM
. . . Overall, it's a really bad place in a way that's really hard to internalize if you haven't been to one of the world's real shitholes . . .
A friend of mine went to medical school in the Dominican Republic during the late '70s and early '80s. To refresh your geographic memories, the D.R. occupies roughly the eastern 2/3 of the island of Hispaniola, with Haiti on the West.

From his descriptions, the D.R. was a crappy excuse for a country (he had a lot to say about the place and the people, none of it good.) But even the people there told him "DON'T GO TO VISIT HAITI, IT'S A CRIME RIDDEN S***HOLE PLACE!"
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2024, 07:21:51 PM
A friend of mine went to medical school in the Dominican Republic during the late '70s and early '80s. To refresh your geographic memories, the D.R. occupies roughly the eastern 2/3 of the island of Hispaniola, with Haiti on the West.

From his descriptions, the D.R. was a crappy excuse for a country (he had a lot to say about the place and the people, none of it good.) But even the people there told him "DON'T GO TO VISIT HAITI, IT'S A CRIME RIDDEN S***HOLE PLACE!"

Friend of mine was from the DR. Said the only time it was worth a darn was when the US occupied it.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Pb on March 05, 2024, 09:16:19 PM
So... Haiti seems like one of the worst places in the world.

I'm curious as to why...?
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2024, 09:48:48 PM
Fun Fun Fun

Quote
Heavily armed gangs have tried to seize control of Haiti's main airport after 4,000 inmates escaped prison and started 'massacring people indiscriminately'. 

Shocking videos have emerged of men and women fleeing in fear as shots ring out across the Toussaint Louverture International Airport.

It marks a further escalation in the raging violence that broke out when a top gang leader pushed to overthrow the prime minister, with gangs storming public buildings and the National Penitentiary, freeing an estimated 4,000 inmates.

Haiti gangs try to take control of main AIRPORT and are 'massacring people indiscriminately'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13160995/haiti-jailbreak-gang-prison-escape-inmate-airport-control.html

The gangs have better trigger discipline than some police here
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: HankB on March 06, 2024, 07:56:07 AM
So... Haiti seems like one of the worst places in the world.

I'm curious as to why...?
It would be interesting if someone researched and published a book - "Turd World S***hole Countries" - that would look for common factors, considering everything from foreign influence to local religions to resources to governance to demographics. 
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Northwoods on March 06, 2024, 04:03:33 PM
https://youtu.be/KpOtkVRnH54?si=lZ_bV-9QYSjxHr_6
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2024, 10:11:10 AM
How long before boots on the ground?

'Haiti will go hungry soon' as looting sparks food shortage crisis and society 'plunges into chaos' - with experts warning 'the country is falling apart' as 'Barbecue' gang leader's thugs take control
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13172445/haiti-barbecue-gang-food-shortage-looting-crisis.html
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: MillCreek on March 08, 2024, 10:15:47 AM
It would be interesting if someone researched and published a book - "Turd World S***hole Countries" - that would look for common factors, considering everything from foreign influence to local religions to resources to governance to demographics.

I was scrolling down this thread this morning and thinking 'Wow, Haiti sounds like the very definition of a third world s***hole country', and then I saw this.  Great minds think alike.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Devonai on March 08, 2024, 05:52:34 PM
Speaking as a soldier, I'd be okay with deploying there, as long as the ROE are a little "fluid."
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Pb on March 08, 2024, 06:44:28 PM
Speaking as a soldier, I'd be okay with deploying there, as long as the ROE are a little "fluid."

Like what? 
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Devonai on March 08, 2024, 07:17:00 PM
Nuke the site from orbit.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: MillCreek on March 08, 2024, 09:09:49 PM
It's the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: BobR on March 08, 2024, 09:13:49 PM
It's the only way to be sure.

One word: Cockroaches.

Nothing will clean that place up!

bob
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Northwoods on March 08, 2024, 09:59:46 PM
An black friend has said that among the black community Haitians are considered the bottom of the barrel.  And that was 15 years ago.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 09, 2024, 07:10:55 AM
Nuke the site from orbit.

One word: Cockroaches.

Nothing will clean that place up!

bob

Too bad the Russians probably won't let us have a few Tsar Bombs.
25 years ago could have gotten one for a box of Pop Tarts
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Pb on March 09, 2024, 10:03:51 AM
An black friend has said that among the black community Haitians are considered the bottom of the barrel.  And that was 15 years ago.

Who is on top in the black community?
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Northwoods on March 09, 2024, 12:13:56 PM
Who is on top in the black community?

No idea.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Declaration Day on March 09, 2024, 01:49:38 PM
Who is on top in the black community?

I can answer that, for Detroit anyway.

Retired pimps who open churches in nearly-vacant strip malls.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: dogmush on March 09, 2024, 02:19:25 PM
Who is on top in the black community?

It depends on who you ask.

But they all agree Haitians are the bottom.  It's like that old Tom Lehrer lyric.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2024, 09:56:33 AM
The US is starting to pull personnel out of Haiti, and there's also some talk of deploying a Marine Security team.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4522210-us-embassy-in-haiti-begins-evacuations-amid-heightened-gang-violence/
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2024, 05:37:04 PM
(https://yt3.ggpht.com/7lo3LiKBkZwLCQkef266DGDdmogxVbHaW_jPADr1c8pTg426DDKlvzUBOuhuDK1Q-4MKMPVURZk2=s1565-nd-v1)
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2024, 07:53:17 AM
It's obviously Donald Trump's fault that Haiti is such a festering shithole.

Don't you people know that only liberal infusions of money will save Haiti?
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2024, 08:22:33 AM

Don't you people know that only liberal infusions of money will save Haiti?

Obviously what Haiti needs is Tranny read time for the kiddies.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2024, 09:17:23 AM
It's obviously Donald Trump's fault that Haiti is such a festering shithole.

Don't you people know that only liberal infusions of money will save Haiti?
The Clintons already did that with a charitable fund.  That must be why it is so great there now.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2024, 09:36:10 AM
The Clintons already did that with a charitable fund.  That must be why it is so great there now.

Haiti did not kill itself
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: zxcvbob on March 12, 2024, 10:24:49 AM
So... Haiti seems like one of the worst places in the world.

I'm curious as to why...?

This has a lot to do with it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti_Independence_Debt  The other reason is government corruption (look up Jean-Claude Duvalier)

Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Northwoods on March 12, 2024, 10:36:16 AM
This has a lot to do with it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti_Independence_Debt  The other reason is government corruption (look up Jean-Claude Duvalier)



Had a boss at Boeing that fled Haiti to avoid being killed by Baby Doc's goons.  But he was in danger because he was a commie.  Worst boss, by far, I ever had.  Anyone in the group who wasn't at least a commie sympathizer was, in his mind, an ally of Baby Doc.  And he treated them like *expletive deleted*it.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2024, 07:14:41 PM
Haitian Cannibal Gangs Pour Over US Border After Seeing How Fat Americans Are
https://babylonbee.com/news/haitian-cannibal-gangs-pour-over-us-border-after-seeing-how-fat-americans-are
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 12, 2024, 07:44:06 PM
Who is on top in the black community?

Wakanda
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: HankB on March 13, 2024, 07:59:03 AM
Who is on top in the black community?
I once overheard a Jamaican who indignantly denied he WAS black, saying he was a JAMAICAN, dammit, not a (N-word), He certainly thought he was at - or even above - the top.
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2024, 08:56:58 AM
Amid allegations that cannibalism has now become a thing, the Che-wannabe gang leader running the riots has the nickname of "Barbeque".

https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2024/03/12/is-the-haitian-cannibalism-video-not-what-it-seems-n2393881
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2024, 08:58:30 PM
John Kerry Praises Haitian Cannibals' Efforts To Reduce Humanity's Carbon Footprint
https://babylonbee.com/news/john-kerry-praises-haiti-cannibals-for-efforts-to-reduce-carbon-footprint
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2024, 09:06:25 PM
Blaming US gun laws

Guns and weapons trafficked from US fueling Haiti gang violence
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/14/haiti-gang-violence-us-guns-smuggling

'Lax' U.S. Gun Laws Now Blamed For Violence in Haiti
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/03/14/lax-gun-laws-in-us-now-blamed-for-violence-in-haiti-n1224187
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 15, 2024, 09:50:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GItjILCXIAAKLDR?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Haiti
Post by: Jim147 on March 16, 2024, 04:10:25 PM
At least they have those nice US taxpayer Land Rovers around and not some crappy imports. Yes, that was a joke.