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The California gang rape
« on: October 28, 2009, 06:19:57 PM »
I caught the story of the 15 year-old girl being gang-raped by 10 guys for 2.5 hours while two dozen others watched.

There's the obvious questions and feelings, such as hoping these guys get passed around in prison like porn magazines, or wondering why the hell even one person didn't have the conscience to call a teacher or a cop or anybody who could have stopped this.

The thing that struck me is that probably nothing will happen to the people who watched this happen. There's no "zero tolerance" rules for watching a gang rape. If any one of these people maybe scribbled a drawing of a Glock while watching this gang rape, well, there's going to be hell for him to pay. But the others? Too bad. Maybe they'll get a couple of hours of detention, although I could see the ACLU stepping in on that.

What a sick, sick society.

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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 06:26:12 PM »
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 07:49:31 PM »
What a sick, sick society.

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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 08:05:12 PM »
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For more than two hours on a dark Saturday night, as many as 20 people watched or took part as a 15-year-old California girl was allegedly gang raped and beaten outside a high school homecoming dance, authorities said.

How the barbarians celebrate homecoming, I guess.
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 08:49:49 PM »
How could someone stand idly by and still be able to live with themselves? I know I couldnt.
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 10:00:53 PM »
The end results of a litigous and morally relativistic society. I wonder how many Romans saw the collapse coming? I think our barbarian hordes will be internal...
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 10:22:03 PM »
Nothing a good coat of fire won't fix.

True, that.

How could someone stand idly by and still be able to live with themselves? I know I couldnt.

Did a little digging, folks.

Well, for one thing, they truly are different from us.  Gawk at Richmond (CA) High School's (HS where the crime occurred) demographics:
http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/ca/other/607#students
78% Hispanic
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50+% of the total student population doesn't speak English in their home and 74% get subsidized lunches.

We're talking illegal aliens and anchor babies, for the most part.  The few actual English-speaking, American-born hispanics are likely to be rare as hen's teeth...likely on the order of the number of those students considered caucasian (2%).

How many of these youths are affiliated with gangs?  Well, this indicates that the gang problem in Richmond is mighty significant:
http://www.ci.pinole.ca.us/police/docs/wc_gang_presentation.ppt

The end results of a litigous and morally relativistic society. I wonder how many Romans saw the collapse coming? I think our barbarian hordes will be internal...

Well, the barbarian hordes overrunning us are coming from the south.  Seems Rome had a problem controlling its borders and unwanted barbarian settlers, too.
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 01:23:43 AM »
its the "don't snitch" mentality
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2009, 03:46:25 AM »
Well, for one thing, they truly are different from us.  Gawk at Richmond (CA) High School's (HS where the crime occurred) demographics:
http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/ca/other/607#students
78% Hispanic
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50+% of the total student population doesn't speak English in their home and 74% get subsidized lunches.

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Looks like the sick society isn't ours, in this case. Regardless, my mind still has trouble fathoming the mentality that allows one to be a willing spectator of an act like this. In a weird way, I'm more disturbed by the large audience, than I am the scumbag rapists themselves...
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 07:32:28 AM »
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Looks like the sick society isn't ours, in this case.

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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 08:21:45 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

"While Genovese's neighbors were vilified by the article, "Thirty-Eight onlookers who did nothing" is a misconception."

In truth, I think both events are what they are: horrible, tragic, and yet outstanding events that are not very instructive as to what the rule is.

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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 08:55:07 AM »
As my wife and I watched the CNN report in horror, one question came to mind:

What would be the repercussions of an armed citizen using deadly force to stop said attack?

She entered the hospital in critical condition - surely it can be argued that deadly force was justified in saving her life? ???

(Assuming anybody with enough intestinal fortitude in the vicinity would take action...)
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 09:20:22 AM »
Afaik rape is on the short list of crimes one can always use deadly force to stop. Murder, rape, kidnapping, and arson of an occupied structure being the others.
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 09:45:33 AM »
"While Genovese's neighbors were vilified by the article, "Thirty-Eight onlookers who did nothing" is a misconception."

In truth, I think both events are what they are: horrible, tragic, and yet outstanding events that are not very instructive as to what the rule is.

Plural of anecdote =/= data.

Very true about the Genovese case. The police switchboard was flooded with calls, and a few bystanders captured her attacker. The whole concept of "Apathetic New Yorkers who watched out their windows, or turned up their TV's to drown out her screams.." was caused by a very poorly written news story that gelled everyone's first impressions of the case. Some people may have done that, but several reacted as well.
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2009, 09:58:44 AM »
Yep, the Kitty Genovese story was mis-reported.

But, there are still plenty of folks who stand by and do nothing as folks are brutalized.

Sometimes, it is fear that causes the inaction, as the brutalizer is known and is known to have friends (gang, mob, whatever).

Other times it really is just a lack of sympathy for the victim.  I think that dense urban living generates a bit of learned sociopathy in the urbanites.
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2009, 10:08:15 AM »
Did this actually happen, or is the whole story an allegory for the way the California government is taking away rights from its citizens ?

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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 10:22:23 AM »
Silver Bullet, am I to believe that you doubt the event in question?  =|
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2009, 10:30:24 AM »
When Charlie Young was beaten to death here in Milwaukee by a mob of thugs with sticks and rocks and 2"x4"s and feet, there were people who saw it. As I recall, the police had a hard time getting information.

Many, many years ago such stories would have been in the media from coast to coast for months, as the newspapers reported each and every bit of progress on the cases. Take the Lizzie Borden story as an example.

Now there's just so much of this sort of thing that one story gets maybe eight column inches on the sixth page of the main section of the paper, and that's it.

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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2009, 11:04:22 AM »
Silver Bullet, am I to believe that you doubt the event in question?  =|

No.  Sorry, I should have attached a smiley or something.  The idea that a victim was being attacked while everyone else stood around and watched struck me as a metaphor for statist governments who gradually take away citizens' rights while the citizens do nothing.

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Another example of witnesses doing nothing
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2009, 01:08:40 PM »
This happened very recently here.  Yet another good reminder to not expect anyone to help you if you're in trouble, even in the "aloha" state (non-capitalized on purpose). 


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Tourists Troubled Witnesses Didn't Report Death
Hotel Employee Admit Seeing Suspicious Activity
POSTED: 7:11 pm HST October 13, 2009
UPDATED: 7:34 pm HST October 13, 2009


WAIKIKI, Hawaii -- Residents and visitors alike said they are troubled Tuesday by the news that several hotel employees did nothing to help when they saw a couple struggling near the area where a woman's body was later discovered.

One witness even reported seeing "a man on top of a woman choking her with both hands," but did not call for help.

Bryanna Antone's body was found Oct. 2 in the waters off the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. Antone was visiting from New Mexico.

Three Royal Hawaiian hotel employees interviewed by police after Antone's body was discovered told police they saw a man struggling with someone.

The most graphic description was revealed in court documents.

A hotel cook said he saw a male on top of a female either shoving or choking her with both hands near the throat area, making repeated choking movements that lasted about 10 minutes.

Yet the cook and two other witnesses failed to report anything.

Tourists KITV spoke with said they should have called.

"The woman could have been saved and that's really tragic. I think people should take more responsibility. If you see something, you really have the responsibility to do something," said visitor Kowkab Simaan.

The alleged killer, Aaron Susa, pleaded not guilty to a second degree murder charge.

Victim's rights activist, Nanci Kreidman said the inaction is troubling.

"When you see someone being hurt it is your business to help. There should be no confusion about that call 911," Kreidman said.

The Royal Hawaiian Hotel said its employee policy is to report any suspicious or unusual behavior to hotel security.

"It's just sad they didn't pick up their cell phone or whatever call 911 or hotel security and ask someone to go see what the heck is going on out there," said Waikiki neighborhood board chairman Bob Finley.

A coroner told police Antone had a fractured larynx and bruises on her neck and chest but her cause of death has no yet been released.
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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2009, 01:25:06 PM »
As my wife and I watched the CNN report in horror, one question came to mind:

What would be the repercussions of an armed citizen using deadly force to stop said attack?

She entered the hospital in critical condition - surely it can be argued that deadly force was justified in saving her life? ???

(Assuming anybody with enough intestinal fortitude in the vicinity would take action...)
Afaik rape is on the short list of crimes one can always use deadly force to stop. Murder, rape, kidnapping, and arson of an occupied structure being the others.

Personally, I wouldn't care about the legalities of it. I'd intervene.







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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2009, 01:32:07 PM »
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Personally, I wouldn't care about the legalities of it. I'd intervene.


I'd call the cops.  Hard to win a 10-30 on one fight, even with a gun.  (one of them could easily be packing too)

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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2009, 01:34:24 PM »


I'd call the cops.  Hard to win a 10-30 on one fight, even with a gun.  (one of them could easily be packing too)

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Re: The California gang rape
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2009, 01:37:33 PM »
Most of the people who'd gang rape a 15 y/o don't have the intestinal fortitude to charge the guy who just turned their buddies head into a pink mist. I have more respect for rabid dogs than I do for these untermensch.
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