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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2009, 03:21:12 PM »
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At a White House press briefing Monday afternoon, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs dodged questions about the flyover, even referring the media to the White House (that he represents).

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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2009, 04:38:09 PM »
Surprised they didn't try to spin it as a rouge AF pilot pissed at Obama and was trying to take him out. :laugh:
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2009, 04:58:44 PM »
Hmm Obama flew low over my parents house a few months back and no one panicked......



That was back when folks still thought he'd be personally air-dropping unicorns and rainbows for each of us
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2009, 07:51:11 PM »
That was back when folks still thought he'd be personally air-dropping unicorns and rainbows for each of us

Odd....those unicorns smelled pretty bad....and the rainbows were kinda brownish...
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2009, 10:59:00 PM »
Arrogant waste, fraud and abuse.  But at least they scared the sweet zombie jesus out of New York in the process. 
This administration is like Amateur hour every day.
Pulled up some links that say it costs $60,000 + an hour to operate AF1.  Figure an hour or so flight time from Andrews to New York, plus loiter time, plus flight back.  Plus time on the ground, maintenece, oh, and the Photography aircraft and the F16's (who knows how much an hour those cost), we're already over $150,000 just for the flight time of AF1.  All to scare the hell out of a bastion of liberal voting.  Nice.

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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2009, 11:43:21 PM »
I would have done it in Photoshop for 10% of that, and they would have had a nicer shot.

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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2009, 01:52:08 AM »
I would have done it in Photoshop for 10% of that, and they would have had a nicer shot.

I'd have done it for 1% of that.  Hell, maybe even .1%.   :lol:
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2009, 09:05:24 AM »
Did anyone report who was on the plane? 
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« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2009, 01:10:10 PM »
I still think this whole thing was somebody's idea of a practical joke.
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2009, 03:53:44 PM »
this may put the perceived threat into perspective:
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2009, 04:45:36 PM »
That was back when folks still thought he'd be personally air-dropping unicorns and rainbows for each of us

He's settled on putting rainbows in the water.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2009, 08:55:54 PM »
I attended Fleet Week '02, the first big celebration in NYC since 9/11. I'm from the country south, I hate cities, don't care for folks from up north, etc.  =D I had a blast in that town, in fact every time I go to NYC I find I actually like the people there. Anyway, the town took care of us that week. Back to the story...

Our "job" was to fly the media from the city out to a gator freighter so that they could film the cruise up the river to our berth next to the Intrepid. Our ugly old helos had a very unrestricted flight clearance so our pilots were flying every load of journalists right over ground zero, letting them hang in the door on gunner's belts etc. Now by the time somebody finally figured out that we had clearance to fly there the angry phone calls had gone all the way to the Pentagon, then back down to the ship's CO, then back up again smoothing things out.

We had the same clearance when we left too. After we got our almost overweight helos flying we went out and flew orbits around the Statue of Liberty, flew up the Hudson, over Central Park, went down the other side of Manhattan over Yankee Stadium, and the Brooklyn and Verrezzano bridges. I've got great pics stashed away somewhere.
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2009, 04:17:08 PM »
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05052009/news/regionalnews/phantom_air_farce_pictures_167671.htm

PHANTOM AIR FARCE PICTURES

By JEREMY OLSHAN

May 5, 2009 ––

The $328,835 snapshots of an Air Force One backup plane buzzing lower Manhattan last week will not be shown to the public, the White House said yesterday.

"We have no plans to release them," an aide to President Obama told The Post, refusing to comment further.

The sole purpose of the secret photo-op, which sent thousands of New Yorkers running for cover, was to take new publicity shots of the presidential jet over the city.

"The photos . . . are classified –– that's ridiculous," Councilman Peter Vallone Jr., said.

New Yorkers said they could not understand how a president who shares intimate snapshots from the White House could justify classifying these.

"So we're not gonna see the fruits of this cruel joke?" said Frank Antonelli, 39, one of the Wall Street traders spooked by last week's flyover.

"I'm not surprised. Obama . . . wouldn't further all the bad publicity by putting out those pictures."
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2009, 04:37:05 PM »
Now they are saying that they are going to release them.

Wow, talk about flip-flopping.
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2009, 05:08:57 PM »
[adjusts tinfoil]

Anyone know or heard who was on AF1 during the "flyover"....Rumor has it that campaign donors and/or bigshots were on board.

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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2009, 05:11:47 PM »
if I was going to photograph Air Force 1 & the Statue of Liberty, I would have made a few more passes and had a Photographer in a chopper with a gyro stabilizer
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2009, 05:54:57 PM »
Michelle Malkin has filed a FOIA request for the photos, names of those involved, those who were present and all other details. Should be interesting.

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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2009, 06:06:07 PM »


An Air Force presidential aircraft, part of the fleet used by U.S. presidents, is pictured above the Statue of Liberty in New York, in this photograph released to Reuters on May 8, 2009. White House military aide Louis Caldera, who authorized an Air Force flyover of New York that caused panic among some New Yorkers there, resigned on Friday.

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Lets see cockpit edge, canopy glare
yep that thar is a 300,000 dollar image
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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2009, 06:17:10 PM »
Ah, schucks.  I was hoping they wouldn't release any photos.  Better for conspiracy-mongering, that way.  Also, they didn't catch Lady Liberty very well.  Too distant.
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2009, 07:56:45 PM »
exactly, this was not a Photoshoot
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« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2009, 08:01:58 PM »
Then it was a joy ride? 
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Re: oops! someones in trouble!
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2009, 08:15:25 PM »
The tool involved in this resigned, Obama accepted his head.
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« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2009, 09:56:11 PM »
Were any other photos released?  I found one more, so far. 

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/286696.php
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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2009, 11:36:03 PM »
May 9, 2009
Official Quits Over Jet Flight That Alarmed New Yorkers

By JEFF ZELENY
WASHINGTON — The photo shoot of Air Force One soaring above the Statue of Liberty cost taxpayers $328,835. Now the incident, which incited panic among scores of people in New York City, has cost the director of the White House Military Office his job.

The director, Louis Caldera, who was appointed by President Obama to the White House post and had been a secretary of the Army in the Clinton administration, resigned on Friday for his role in approving the April 27 flyover. In a brief letter to Mr. Obama, Mr. Caldera said that the matter “has become a distraction for the important work you are doing as president.”

The White House released the resignation letter and a seven-page review of how the flyover was planned by several government agencies without anyone raising caution flags that the flight could spark fears of another terrorist attack in Lower Manhattan. A photograph of the plane, flying low above New York Harbor, also was released on Friday by the White House.

The president, who did not know about the flight before it took place and was described by aides as infuriated by it, directed his deputy chief of staff, Jim Messina, and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates “to make recommendations to him to ensure that such an incident never occurs again,” said Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary.

The photo shoot of the Boeing 747 was intended to update the official picture of Air Force One, which is what the plane is called when the president is aboard. The last photograph was taken against the backdrop of Mount Rushmore, but in March military officials began planning for a new shot with the Statue of Liberty in the background.

The Air Force estimated the flight cost taxpayers $328,835, including $35,000 in fuel for the plane and the two fighter-jet escorts.

The internal White House review, conducted for the president by the White House counsel’s office, found that a series of bureaucratic missteps kept the public in the dark about the flight. Senior advisers to the president, including Mr. Gibbs and Mr. Messina, also said they were not notified.

“Will probably receive some local press, but W. H. shouldn’t catch any questions about it,” said an internal e-mail message that Mr. Caldera received from his deputy three days before the flight took place.

The White House report states that while some officials decided on “public outreach efforts” to notify people in advance about the flight, the commander of the Presidential Airlift Group, Col. Scott Turner of the Air Force, decided that the memo warning New York-area officials of the flyover would be marked “official use only,” and that it would tell government agencies not to disclose the event. Information would be provided, the report said, “only if asked.”

Through bureaucratic fumbling, the discrepancy over whether the public should or should not be alerted went unnoticed until after the flight.

In the review, officials wrote that Mr. Caldera said he “had no idea that the plan called for the aircraft to fly at 1,000 feet.” They added, “He feels terrible that the flight caused harm.”

The review concluded that “structural and organizational ambiguities” among officials in the White House and the Air Force led to the series of miscommunications that resulted in the most embarrassing act of the new Obama administration.

“The breakdown was the lack of public notification,” the report states, adding that Mr. Caldera believed others had been notified about the flight. He also conceded that he did not know the final details about the flyover mission, in part, because he had not checked his e-mail. He said he had gone home early for a few days because he was suffering from muscle spasms in his back when he returned from a presidential trip to Mexico last month.

Mr. Obama appointed Mr. Caldera to lead the White House Military Office in December, citing his 30-year career as a soldier, lawyer, legislator and law professor. It was a rare political appointment for a position that is usually held by a ranking officer in the military.

“His pedigree is second to none,” Mr. Obama said on Dec. 2. “I know he’ll bring to the White House the same dedication and integrity that have earned him the highest praise in every post.”
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