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Rand Paul vs. TSA
« on: January 23, 2012, 10:59:22 AM »
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 11:12:49 AM »

Please tell me they went all "I am the law" with appropriate Stallone accent. 
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2012, 11:15:23 AM »

"Hey, that *anomaly* is God-given. If you want to pat it down, you'll have to at least buy me dinner first"
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 11:51:32 AM »
"Hey, that *anomaly* is God-given. If you want to pat it down, you'll have to at least buy me dinner first"

"Normally, I have to pay for that kind of treatment."
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 01:56:23 PM »
"Hey, that *anomaly* is God-given. If you want to pat it down, you'll have to at least buy me dinner first"
Or be a Catholic priest...........
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 04:18:36 PM »
Thou shalt not detain congressmen on route to Washington dc
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 04:20:53 PM »
though shalt not afford them special privilege. hes gonna drive? take the train? bus?
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 04:48:39 PM »
He is being interviewed on Hannity's radio show right now.  He is not saying he expects any special priviledge necessarily.  Few points:
1.  He has been told the machine beeps randomly not just when it sees something so they are doing random searches. 
2.  The people at the airports are given no discretion whatsoever in following policies.  There should be someone there who has some discretion with these policies.  The completely blind approach to this is foolish.
3.  He said that you already have to take off your shoes, remove metal and other stuff, along with other requirements.  If you comply with all that, you should be rewarded with not getting a pat down, not be subjected to additional random searches. 

He interviews very well and comes off very reasonable.  I like him.

Not one mention of abolishing the Fed.   :lol:
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 04:53:32 PM »
so what should they do if the machine goes off? let him pass?  why? or why just him
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 04:55:11 PM »
though shalt not afford them special privilege. hes gonna drive? take the train? bus?

The constitution exempts them from arrest, in some situations, because the English used to have Parliamentary opponents arrested in (or on the way to) session.
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 05:17:15 PM »
paul wasn't arrested just wasn't afforded special privilege of boarding without passing security
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 05:21:59 PM »
paul wasn't arrested just wasn't afforded special privilege of boarding without passing security

I agree with C&SD.  Make the congress-critters go through the same crap everyone else goes through.
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 05:29:30 PM »
Either their nude-o-scans are registering false positives or they are generating them for the purpose of harassing / feeling people  :mad:
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 05:38:50 PM »
If this act of protest helps change the system for all of us, it's a good thing.  More congressmen going through the treatment might effect some results.
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 05:48:39 PM »
If this act of protest helps change the system for all of us, it's a good thing.  More congressmen going through the treatment might effect some results.

Agreed. In his statements, Rand Paul was advocating getting rid of this ridiculous procedure for all people.  Not just Senators/Congresspeople. 

Lets face it, a sitting US senator is one of the few individuals who has a sufficient enough bully pulpit to do this and get some attention. 
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 05:54:15 PM »
As stated above, he thinks its ridiculous for EVERYONE, not just him.

Also, he's flying commercial air, is he?

I like that. Some senators use private jets.
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 06:41:17 PM »
As stated above, he thinks its ridiculous for EVERYONE, not just him.

Also, he's flying commercial air, is he?

I like that. Some senators use private jets.

Not surprising that Rand Paul gets it.

 He was willing to be re-scanned, according to the article I read, in order to clear the "random selection for perp-frisk" buzzer.  Team Sexual Assault refused, and stated that they were determined to grope him.  He left the checkpoint accompanied by actual LEOs, though not under arrest (IOW, SOP for failure to pass the Nude-O-Scopes and refusal to be groped). Good on him for taking a stand!

Me, I'd be the other way 'round. I'm not going through the Nude-O-Scope, not even the millimeter-wave radar one Paul went through rather than the ionizing-radiation backscatter-xray version that's more common nationally.  You get perp-frisked anyways if the machine goes beep for any reason, or if Team Sexual Assault decides they don't like your attitude or whatever - so they can just get it over with out in public right up front, and I'll make it as uncomfortable for them as they do for me.  A karate-chop to the testicles will be regarded as assault, and result in an immediate, vocal call for the nearest actual law-enforcement officer, as it should, and complaints will be filed both online and in person as a result of TSA's policies regardless of whether or not the screener plays the "Respect mah authori-TAH!" card, as so many of them sadly seem to do.

Of course, that's only if I absolutely HAVE to fly. I recommend against exposing oneself to such unpleasantness and idiocy as TSA deems "security", myself, unless you simply MUST fly. I'll fly again when we get ACTUAL security in the airports, as opposed to the pointless and counterproductive security theater TSA is foisting on us.

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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 06:48:24 PM »
paul wasn't arrested just wasn't afforded special privilege of boarding without passing security

Actually the language forbids government officials from detaining them or interfering with their travel on the way to congress.  His detention was unconstitutional. 
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2012, 07:49:21 PM »
Not that he flies commercial but I wonder how it would have played out if it had been Harry Reid instead of some filthy conservative/libertarian prole like Rand Paul.
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2012, 08:21:27 PM »
paul wasn't arrested just wasn't afforded special privilege of boarding without passing security

That wasn't the situation, C&SD.  He objected to the pat down that was to follow the random "failure" of the machine.  He offered to be rescanned, but the Thousands Standing Around refused and insisted on performing a pat down.  Re-read the story.
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2012, 08:34:16 PM »
so what should they do if the machine goes off? let him pass?  why? or why just him

Because, though scumbags in their own right, the chances of a member of the Senate hijacking an airplane is hovering at about nil.....
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2012, 09:14:09 PM »
So... piss off a guy responsible for setting your budget for the next year. Real smart move.
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2012, 09:42:55 PM »
Actually the language forbids government officials from detaining them or interfering with their travel on the way to congress.  His detention was unconstitutional.  
He was on his way to a speaking engagement (which he missed), not Congress.  

If there is any special privilege, it was that he is able to make headlines when it happens to him and gets a chance to sell his viewpoint.
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2012, 10:21:32 PM »
paul wasn't arrested just wasn't afforded special privilege of boarding without passing security

Didn't say he was arrested. Just explaining what Harold Tuttle was talking about.
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Re: Rand Paul vs. TSA
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 09:30:31 AM »
That wasn't the situation, C&SD.  He objected to the pat down that was to follow the random "failure" of the machine.  He offered to be rescanned, but the Thousands Standing Around refused and insisted on performing a pat down.  Re-read the story.


they say they found an annomaly
their sop is to examine further
as a congressman you believe hoe should be exempt?  do you feel all congressmen are exempt?  or just your pet congressman?
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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