Obama puts another one over on the gullible public

[Monkeyleg]

I just cannot believe how shameless Obama is in lying to the public and getting away with it, without the media calling him on it.

The latest case in point is the controversy over the Catholic church refusing to pay for contraceptives for church employees. In steps Obama, parting the seas and finding a solution to satisfy both the church and female employees of the church. The Catholic church, he says, will not have to provide contraceptives to employees. Instead, the employees' health insurance companies will provide the contraceptives, for free.

Free! This is great!

Wait a minute. With this approach, female employees of the Catholic Church will still be able to have contraceptives --the use of which runs counter to the teachings of the church--paid for. The Church won't pay for them. The insurance companies will. And the insurance companies will spread the cost to all of their policy holders, so even people who have no affiliation with the Catholic church will be paying for contraceptives.

What a sleazy, duplicitous, lying bag of **expletive deleted**.

[lee n. field]

In an election year it just won't do to have every RC priest in the land reading seditious material from the pulpit.

What a sleazy, duplicitous, lying bag of **expletive deleted**.

But we all knew that.

[lupinus]

Yeah, saw this. Wtf?

Ok so the RCC won't have to pay for it...but they can pay the ins company (presumably more than otherwise) who can then pay for the birth control. words can not express the levels of jackassary displayed here.

[longeyes]

Until We the People begin treating Big Media as The Enemy nothing is going to change.  It is impossible to have a viable Republic with a hostile and mendacious Press.  We are flying blind--and stupid--as things are.  We all know this, but we continue to pretend that the media are not the eyes and ears of the body politic.

[Azrael256]

but they can pay the ins company (presumably more than otherwise)

We happen to have any clergy around?  I'll wager they the RCC is self-insured.  How's that going to go over?

[HankB]

Now that Obama is just about done with his assault on Catholic doctrine, his next wave of regulations will require Jewish schools & institutions  to add ham sandwiches, bacon, and pork chops to their lunchroom menu . . .

[CNYCacher]

I don't understand this, what does Obama have to do with anything?  Is he a king handing down edicts now?

[roo_ster]

from the Declaration of Independence to dentured servitude in a mere quarter-millennium:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/290806/church-obama-mark-steyn?pg=1

The president of the United States has decided to go Henry VIII on the Church’s medieval ass. Whatever religious institutions might profess to believe in the matter of “women’s health,” their pre-eminences, jurisdictions, privileges, authorities, and immunities are now subordinate to a one-and-only supreme head on earth determined to repress, redress, restrain, and amend their heresies. One wouldn’t wish to overextend the analogy: For one thing, the Catholic Church in America has been pathetically accommodating of Beltway bigwigs’ ravenous appetite for marital annulments in a way that Pope Clement VII was disinclined to be vis-à-vis the English king and Catherine of Aragon. But where’d all the pandering get them? In essence President Obama has embarked on the same usurpation of church authority as Henry VIII: As his Friday morning faux-compromise confirms, the continued existence of a “faith-based institution” depends on submission to the doctrinal supremacy of the state.

Time for the RC Church to get its head out of its socialist, pro-illegal immigrant *expletive deleted*ss and back into the game of actual churching.  That would include railing against the unAmerican acts by Barack the Unready.

[TommyGunn]

I don't understand this, what does Obama have to do with anything?  Is he a king handing down edicts now?

THAT'S a very good question.  For the most part it's being ignored.  Everyone WAS up in arms about forcing a church to provide contraceptives, now it's being foisted upon the insurance companies (meaning people who pay for coverage will see a hike in their bills) but NO ONE is asking how is it Obama is getting away with this sham! ! ! ! ! ! ! !  ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

[MillCreek]

The very large (55,000 employees) Catholic healthcare system that I work for runs a healthcare insurance company.  The employees of the system are covered through that company and it also covers several hundred thousand other people whose employers buy insurance from that company.

[longeyes]

I don't understand this, what does Obama have to do with anything?  Is he a king handing down edicts now?

Well, actually, now that you mention it, he is...for all intents and purposes...

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/why-wasnt-obama-in-contempt-of-court/

[Unisaw]

Here's a very good blog post written by a fellow I know who lived in Argentina.  He sees many similarities to Peronism.

http://scottgrannis.blogspot.com/2012/02/obama-americas-peron.html

[longeyes]

Or a banana republic without the republic.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

from the Declaration of Independence to dentured servitude in a mere quarter-millennium:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/290806/church-obama-mark-steyn?pg=1

Time for the RC Church to get its head out of its socialist, pro-illegal immigrant *expletive deleted*ss and back into the game of actual churching.  That would include railing against the unAmerican acts by Barack the Unready.

done
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/11/politics/contraception-controversy/index.html

[Jamie B]

Obama got torched by Archbishop Dolan, who met with him in November.
Obama was non-committal, but led Dolan to believe that there was nothing to worry about.
When Obama announced that churches would have to agree to contraceptives via insurance, he allowed them one year to comply, and not right away.
Dolan caught Obama flat-footed and went immediately after him.

Sadly, this move by the RCC reeks with hypocrisy, as the only Catholics who have this opinion about birth control are the US Bishops and Rome.
About 60% of US Catholics approve the use of birth control, so the US Bishops miss the mark yet again.

The irony here is the RCC has never uttered any comments about Catholics in the US, and their healthcare choices.

The UCCB (United Conference of Catholic Bishops), of which Dolan is president, have, as of late, also been lying publicly in a spat with a very renown and respected Catholic Theologian to maintain their control.

I am no Obama fan, but the US Catholic Bishops can stick their opinions in their own ears.

[TommyGunn]

Obama got torched by Archbishop Dolan, who met with him in November.
Obama was non-committal, but led Dolan to believe that there was nothing to worry about.
When Obama announced that churches would have to agree to contraceptives via insurance, he allowed them one year to comply, and not right away.
Dolan caught Obama flat-footed and went immediately after him.

Sadly, this move by the RCC reeks with hypocrisy, as the only Catholics who have this opinion about birth control are the US Bishops and Rome.
About 60% of US Catholics approve the use of birth control, so the US Bishops miss the mark yet again.

The irony here is the RCC has never uttered any comments about Catholics in the US, and their healthcare choices.

The UCCB (United Conference of Catholic Bishops), of which Dolan is president, have, as of late, also been lying publicly in a spat with a very renown and respected Catholic Theologian to maintain their control.

I am no Obama fan, but the US Catholic Bishops can stick their opinions in their own ears.

I don't think it matters a hill of beans whether Catholics use contraceptives or not.  I think it is wrong for the govt. to tell Catholic based charities they have to provide contraceptives against Catholic teachings.  If the individual Catholics don't like it they're free to leave the Catholic church and join another if it is that important.
I myself have nothing against contraceptives and other birth control devices.  See your doctor about effectiveness and possible side effects.
I do, OTOH, have a big problem with "free stuff" that is mandated by .gov.  Yeah I know birth control is not a big huge nasty chunk of change, it's the principle of the thing.  Someone has to pay somewhere somehow somewhen, and the govt. says insurance companies pay.  My @$$ THEY pay!!!!!!!!!!!  YOU & I pay when we get our insurance bill.  And my *&^##% insurance company has jacked my rates enough as it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Waitone]

Agitation for the sake of agitation.  I'm sure he has a well- thought out political rationale for irritating a fairly reliable voting block.  What that rationale is escapes me.  He pulls these stunts having to face an electorate.  I can't wait to see what he pulls when he no longer has to face the voter. 

[Monkeyleg]

Agitation for the sake of agitation.  I'm sure he has a well- thought out political rationale for irritating a fairly reliable voting block.  What that rationale is escapes me.  He pulls these stunts having to face an electorate.  I can't wait to see what he pulls when he no longer has to face the voter. 

Waitone, I don't think he saw the backlash coming. He and his handlers looked at the percentages of Catholics who favor contraceptives despite the Church's position, and figured it was a win-win. I don't think they counted on Catholics resenting government intrusion into their church. I really don't think Obama considers what he's doing on many issues as intrusion, and is thus surprised by reactions.

The damage control will be interesting. We'll probably get some video footage of him taking Communion or posing with the Virgin Mary.

[agricola]

Sorry - in your country the employer has to pay for contraceptives?  Who is screwing who in that case?

*gets coat*

[Ron]

Obama got torched by Archbishop Dolan, who met with him in November.
Obama was non-committal, but led Dolan to believe that there was nothing to worry about.
When Obama announced that churches would have to agree to contraceptives via insurance, he allowed them one year to comply, and not right away.
Dolan caught Obama flat-footed and went immediately after him.

Sadly, this move by the RCC reeks with hypocrisy, as the only Catholics who have this opinion about birth control are the US Bishops and Rome.
About 60% of US Catholics approve the use of birth control, so the US Bishops miss the mark yet again.

The irony here is the RCC has never uttered any comments about Catholics in the US, and their healthcare choices.

The UCCB (United Conference of Catholic Bishops), of which Dolan is president, have, as of late, also been lying publicly in a spat with a very renown and respected Catholic Theologian to maintain their control.

I am no Obama fan, but the US Catholic Bishops can stick their opinions in their own ears.

So what does your anti religious authority structure rant have to do with government interference in matters of religious conscience? Check out Mark Steyn for why this matters:

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/church-339789-one-catholic.html

[longeyes]

He and his brain trust are just testing us--like any adolescents.

[Jamie B]

Waitone, I don't think he saw the backlash coming. He and his handlers looked at the percentages of Catholics who favor contraceptives despite the Church's position, and figured it was a win-win. I don't think they counted on Catholics resenting government intrusion into their church. I really don't think Obama considers what he's doing on many issues as intrusion, and is thus surprised by reactions.

The damage control will be interesting. We'll probably get some video footage of him taking Communion or posing with the Virgin Mary.

Your assessment is exactly correct - Obama completely misread this and dropped a big ball.

His unwillingness to recognize these things is a combination of arrogance and self-importance.

He is a legend in his own mind, and does not listen to his advisers, who are only human.

[gunsmith]

What a sleazy, duplicitous, lying bag of **expletive deleted**.

wait, how do you really really feel about him?

[Perd Hapley]

I don't think they counted on Catholics so many people, Catholic or otherwise, resenting government intrusion into their any church.

Fixed that.

[gunsmith]

Yup, he managed to anger just about every religion with a clinic or hospital of some kind.

To me it appears as if he views Churches  as some kind of Union or community organization rather then  a collection of people who hold mostly the same values and actually believe in God- to him ( imo ) a Church is someplace you go so you can get some votes from idiots who believe that nonsense.

That's why his old Reverend Racists was so quickly thrown under the bus.