Author Topic: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza (Read 14988 times)

Ben · « **on:** March 28, 2013, 10:54:05 AM »

I found the tone of this article a little disturbing regarding what they consider "evidence" of a mad gunman and what a run of the mill shooter might have in their home.

Let's see: Handwritten notes of firearms stuff I need to order? Check. Swords in a display on my wall? Check. NRA defensive pistol course binder from a class I took? Check. Gun safe? Check. Bullets? Check. Hearing protection? Check. And the list goes on. I also have books by von Clausewitz, Sun Tzu, Jeff Cooper, and Theodore Roosevelt, just in case they need more evidence.

Also on a side note, what shotgun did they end up finding in his trunk? I never saw, but the article talks about "magazines" for it. Was it actually a magazine fed shotgun?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/28/warrants-to-be-released-in-newtown-investigation/?test=latestnews

41magsnub · « **Reply #1 on:** March 28, 2013, 10:59:07 AM »

Wait.. when did they search my house?

TechMan · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2013, 11:09:13 AM »

Quote from: Ben on March 28, 2013, 10:54:05 AM

I found the tone of this article a little disturbing regarding what they consider "evidence" of a mad gunman and what a run of the mill shooter might have in their home.

Let's see: Handwritten notes of firearms stuff I need to order? Check. Swords in a display on my wall? Check. NRA defensive pistol course binder from a class I took? Check. Gun safe? Check. Bullets? Check. Hearing protection? Check. And the list goes on. I also have books by von Clausewitz, Sun Tzu, Jeff Cooper, and Theodore Roosevelt, just in case they need more evidence.

Also on a side note, what shotgun did they end up finding in his trunk? I never saw, but the article talks about "magazines" for it. Was it actually a magazine fed shotgun?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/28/warrants-to-be-released-in-newtown-investigation/?test=latestnews

Don't know what type but here is a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc

Also remember you are reading an interpretation of the report and not the actual report.

Ben · « **Reply #3 on:** March 28, 2013, 11:15:46 AM »

Quote from: adively on March 28, 2013, 11:09:13 AM

Also remember you are reading an interpretation of the report and not the actual report.

Noted, though to me that is just as, or more, disturbing because it would indicate that the general, non-gun owning population might think these item are out of the ordinary (as they are mixed in the article with items that are out of the ordinary) and further lead to "common knowledge" that "hey, that guy has a list of gun stuff he wants to buy - he must be a whacko."

Ron · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2013, 11:16:58 AM »

What a bunch of gobbledygook.

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A loaded 12-gauge shotgun was found in the glove compartment of the Honda Civic Lanza drove to the school with two magazines containing 70 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge shotgun rounds.

Ben · « **Reply #5 on:** March 28, 2013, 11:21:33 AM »

Quote from: adively on March 28, 2013, 11:09:13 AM

Don't know what type but here is a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc

If I were to guess from the video, it looked like maybe one of the Benelli pump/auto versions.

dogmush · « **Reply #6 on:** March 28, 2013, 11:27:24 AM »

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A loaded 12-gauge shotgun was found in the glove compartment of the Honda Civic Lanza drove to the school with two magazines containing 70 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge shotgun rounds.

I'm trying to figure out how big a 35 rd 12ga mag would be.

Nick1911 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2013, 11:28:00 AM »

Yea, none of that stuff strikes me as particularly incriminating.

A range bag, some literature, a safe, and some ammo? Hardly unusual.

TechMan · « **Reply #8 on:** March 28, 2013, 11:30:28 AM »

Quote from: dogmush on March 28, 2013, 11:27:24 AM

I'm trying to figure out how big a 35 rd 12ga mag would be.

Larger than an Xrail system and that is 22+1.

lee n. field · « **Reply #9 on:** March 28, 2013, 11:35:51 AM »

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A loaded 12-gauge shotgun was found in the glove compartment of the Honda Civic Lanza drove to the school with two magazines containing 70 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge shotgun rounds.

35 round drum? Do they even make that for something like Saigas?

(I do see a 30 round magazine out there, for buttloads of money.)

TommyGunn · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2013, 11:44:58 AM »

Quote from: Ben on March 28, 2013, 10:54:05 AM

I found the tone of this article a little disturbing regarding what they consider "evidence" of a mad gunman and what a run of the mill shooter might have in their home.

Let's see: Handwritten notes of firearms stuff I need to order? Check. Swords in a display on my wall? Check. NRA defensive pistol course binder from a class I took? Check. Gun safe? Check. Bullets? Check. Hearing protection? Check. And the list goes on. I also have books by von Clausewitz, Sun Tzu, Jeff Cooper, and Theodore Roosevelt, just in case they need more evidence.

Also on a side note, what shotgun did they end up finding in his trunk? I never saw, but the article talks about "magazines" for it. Was it actually a magazine fed shotgun?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/28/warrants-to-be-released-in-newtown-investigation/?test=latestnews

Hey Ben;
atleast you're not like me. I have books by Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, Gaius Julius Caesar, William Pierce (Turner Diaries), Clausewitz, George A. Custer, Hitler, and various pro 2A authors in my house!
I don't have an off-hand count on how much ammo I have here.....
Should I be paranoid?

TechMan · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2013, 12:43:04 PM »

Here are the actual search warrants:

Adam Lanza search warrant — Dec. 14, 2012
Adam Lanza search warrant — Dec. 16, 2012
Adam Lanza search warrant — Dec. 15, 2012
In regard to Dec. 14, 2012, search warrant (Nancy Lanza's home)

MillCreek · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2013, 12:50:43 PM »

A 12 gauge shotgun that fits in the glove compartment of a Honda Civic? I don't think that even an Ithaca Stakeout would fit.

TechMan · « **Reply #13 on:** March 28, 2013, 12:53:59 PM »

A majority of the gun related inventory is on this warrant.

ETA: A quick look at the inventory it looks like he had a lot of Sagia magazines, could the shotgun that they found in the trunk be a Sagia?

longeyes · « **Reply #14 on:** March 28, 2013, 01:48:13 PM »

You find what you want to find. A lot of the Lanza case remains oddly opaque. To this day. How little we know of the life of Nancy Lanza, for example. Personally, I find her selection of firearms curious...unless they were, let's say, government-issue...

TechMan · « **Reply #15 on:** March 28, 2013, 01:57:23 PM »

Quote from: longeyes on March 28, 2013, 01:48:13 PM

You find what you want to find. A lot of the Lanza case remains oddly opaque. To this day. How little we know of the life of Nancy Lanza, for example. Personally, I find her selection of firearms curious...unless they were, let's say, government-issue...

Please expound upon the above statement.

Fitz · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2013, 02:09:48 PM »

Quote from: adively on March 28, 2013, 01:57:23 PM

Please expound upon the above statement.

BECAUSE SANDY HOOK WAS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION ORCHESTRATED BY KENYAN BORN OBAMA TO TAKE TEH GUNZ

TechMan · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2013, 02:18:07 PM »

Quote from: Fitz on March 28, 2013, 02:09:48 PM

BECAUSE SANDY HOOK WAS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION ORCHESTRATED BY KENYAN BORN OBAMA TO TAKE TEH GUNZ

You speak the truth, since this is the INTERNET and you typed your message in ALL CAPITALS.

Tallpine · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2013, 02:40:25 PM »

What some people call an "arsenal" is really just an incomplete collection

HankB · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2013, 03:21:16 PM »

Quote from: adively on March 28, 2013, 02:18:07 PM

You speak the truth, since this is the INTERNET and you typed your message in ALL CAPITALS.

And the spelling errors add credibility.

There are clearly some REAL bad guys out there, but has anyone else ever see a photo-op with some alleged bad guy's "arsenal" and think "That's no arsenal, that's just a range trip"?

Fitz · « **Reply #20 on:** March 28, 2013, 03:23:23 PM »

Quote from: HankB on March 28, 2013, 03:21:16 PM

And the spelling errors add credibility.

There are clearly some REAL bad guys out there, but has anyone else ever see a photo-op with some alleged bad guy's "arsenal" and think "That's no arsenal, that's just a range trip"?

Yep.

I see "arsenal" and i'm like "Hmm... looks like my collection pre-kid/wife

longeyes · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2013, 04:07:45 PM »

Quote from: Fitz on March 28, 2013, 02:09:48 PM

BECAUSE SANDY HOOK WAS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION ORCHESTRATED BY KENYAN BORN OBAMA TO TAKE TEH GUNZ

Odd, I don't remember suggesting that. Yet. :)

10mm Glock, 9 mm SIG, Bushmaster 5.56mm. Yes, so many women shooters own exactly those three weapons, don't they? Uh, you say maybe not? Maybe not the 10mm? But they might be exactly gov't-issue weapons. Or maybe Nancy Lanza was that one female shooter in a million who settled on that exact primary triad of weapons...? It could be, who knows. Then again...

Not saying THEY ARE, saying they could be, and saying that there is much more NOT known about this case than known, that's all. We know, months later, next to nothing about either parent's vita. To me that' s strange, to others, I guess, not so much.

dogmush · « **Reply #22 on:** March 28, 2013, 04:34:52 PM »

Which agency issues a Glock 20 again?

And other then NAVSPECWAR, who issues a Sig 226? The M11 is a 228.

ETA: I'm told it could be a G29 as well. Not a glock guy. The question stands though. I don't thing any US agency issues a 10mm pistol.

longeyes · « **Reply #23 on:** March 28, 2013, 04:50:18 PM »

Not necessarily currently, formerly; it was once the great white hope of government handgun calibers, as we all know. I'll leave the SIG/Glock issuance matter to those on the board with specific expertise in that, but those are certainly the current handguns of choice for gov't agencies. As for the 10mm caliber, whether Glock 20 or 29, it is not a typical self-defense purchase, not exactly a popular item with female shooters. Perhaps you'd concede that much? That said, I am merely suggesting that something about the "discovery" in this case seems lacking. We still know very little about Adam's parents, much less than you would expect at this point.

Waitone · « **Reply #24 on:** March 28, 2013, 05:10:01 PM »

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The search warrants released Thursday made no mention of a massive spreadsheet Lanza reportedly compiled containing extensive research on previous mass murders.

How come that is. A grossly underplayed element of the story.

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Author Topic: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza (Read 14988 times)