Judge rules NYC Terry stops unconstitutional.

[gunsmith]

So let me get this straight - if I carried a gun under a nice suit in NYC, I would have nothing to fear from the cops 

 

Basically, yes - well dressed men - both black or white - generally get left alone.
I knew a criminal in my old neighborhood, when he was out mugging/robbing people - he would wear a suit. He told me it worked great that the cops never bothered him.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Sure. When they have a warrant from a judge or probable cause.

I'm quite sure that any police chief that implemented this where I live would be fired within a day. It would probably help crime stats if we threw all poor people into ovens. Doesn't mean it's the right or ethical thing to do.

With respect, CSD, nothing wrong with trolling the APS folks here, we need a court jester... I know you don't take the position of "anything good for the police is good for the country". If you do, you may want to take a few moments to reflect on that.

you didn't read about stop and frisk in newark?  and how the aclu et al signed off on it?

[Hawkmoon]

you didn't read about stop and frisk in newark?  and how the aclu et al signed off on it?

The ACLU also maintained for a very long time that the Second Amendment guaranteed only a collective right to bear arms, in connection with militia service.

Look where that got them ...

[RevDisk]

you didn't read about stop and frisk in newark?  and how the aclu et al signed off on it?

Flagrant violations of the Fourth Amendment are wrong, regardless of who signs off on it. You know this.

If they have such a strong feeling, they should get a warrant.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Even in nyc it was the stopping folf of color that was the issue. Expect to see more not less stop.and frisk. Just more high sun block numbers. Like the tsa does. Only its bad then good now

damn phone

[RevDisk]

Even in nyc it was the stopping folf of color that was the issue. Expect to see more not less stop.and frisk. Just more high sun block numbers. Like the tsa does. Only its bad then good now

damn phone

Ah. No. Bad then. Bad now. Fourth Amendment says illegal without probable cause or warrant.

[Balog]

"A cop has a feeling you're doing something wrong" is probable cause in CSD world.

[Fitz]

Even in nyc it was the stopping folf of color that was the issue. Expect to see more not less stop.and frisk. Just more high sun block numbers. Like the tsa does. Only its bad then good now

damn phone

This is what you don't seem to get.

No matter what the ACLU thinks, no matter what or how a given judge rules on the issue, the PRACTICE OF STOP AND FRISK IS BLATANTLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

It may be permitted without the racial component now, because of the ruling. THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

you need to find a judge who agrees  though this judge has 2 more cases involving stop and frisk pending
no fourth amendment mentioned

Judge Scheindlin stated in her decision that the city adopted a "policy of indirect racial profiling by targeting racially defined groups for stops based on local crime suspect data." The result, she said, is "the disproportionate and discriminatory stopping of blacks and Hispanics in violation of the Equal Protection Clause" of the Constitution.


 i did miss this though
http://www.policymic.com/articles/22375/nyc-stop-and-frisk-policy-ruled-unconstitutional-conservatives-immediately-start-whining

[Fitz]

Yep, you're missing the point.

[Tallpine]

Violating the civil rights of minorities at a higher rate than whites 

[Fitz]

Well, C&SD seems to think that if you violate everyone's rights equally, it's ok

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

As does the judge(s) so far

damn phone

[Cliffh]

First, IMO, the stop & frisk tactic is a violation of the 4th amendment.

But, if 80+% of the crimes are committed by OTW (other than white), why is it not "fair" for 80+% of the stops to be of folks who are OTW?

/putting down the pot-stirring ladle

[Levant]

This is what you don't seem to get.

No matter what the ACLU thinks, no matter what or how a given judge rules on the issue, the PRACTICE OF STOP AND FRISK IS BLATANTLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

It may be permitted without the racial component now, because of the ruling. THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT

Thank you!  The Constitution says what it says and means what it says.  It's not difficult to understand.  It does not matter what any court or any Congress or any judge or any police officer says about anything in the Constitution.  It only matters what the Constitution says.

[Levant]

First, IMO, the stop & frisk tactic is a violation of the 4th amendment.

But, if 80+% of the crimes are committed by OTW (other than white), why is it not "fair" for 80+% of the stops to be of folks who are OTW?

/putting down the pot-stirring ladle

Your opinion is fact.  You should strengthen your view.  Don't let modern behavioral science influence you.  It's ok to call a spade a spade.