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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2013, 08:50:59 PM »
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2013, 09:49:46 PM »

As funny as that cartoon is, I can't help but think that if any of those alleged groups really do secretly control the government, they are sitting around rubbing their hands together and chortling, "It's working!  It's working!"
Regardless, we are totally *expletive deleted*ed.  It's too late to save the Republic.
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2013, 12:07:20 AM »
Ya know, I did vote for both McCain and Romney. I did it one handed cause the other hand was holding my nose. Look what that got me. I voted for Bush as well and that sure didn't do the country a whole lot of good.

So don't bother telling me who I need to vote for.

I'd rather tilt at windmills than keep voting for Democrat lite. I used to feel the same way as you but I am finished with voting for the status quo or worse.

Voting for the fauxpublicans is like throwing out the anchor and forgetting to attach it to the rope.


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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2013, 04:41:08 AM »

You can vote for anyone you like as long as you're happy with Communist Heavy.  >:D

Work to get someone better on your side of the ticket or stop bitching when people decline to vote for D-Lite and either go elsewhere or stay home.

Again - the failures underlying Romney's unsuccessful run at election all had an R following their names, and they've been playing catch-up - badly - since the 2008 election cycle, if not prior to that. Persisting in trying to blame all the people Romney and his crew failed to inspire to vote for him is... unhelpful at best, and actually counterproductive, IMO. 

125 vs. 128.

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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2013, 10:16:07 AM »
Can anyone tell me if this is for real?

http://instagram.com/p/fMKBmWhmvs/#

If so...the end of the Awkward Time is upon is.

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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2013, 11:01:51 AM »
Can anyone tell me if this is for real?

http://instagram.com/p/fMKBmWhmvs/#

If so...the end of the Awkward Time is upon is.

They are Just Following Orders.

It looks fake to my untrained eye.  I haven't heard about any arrests at the DC memorials, only political grand-standing.

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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2013, 11:08:43 AM »
I agree Romney did fail -- but then, so did the voters who stayed home. 

"Don't mistake me - by no means am I claiming that we're better off with 0. But like I said, I see basically no difference between hitting that cliff edge at 125 versus 128, and nothing I saw in the '12 campaign demonstrated to me that Romney had any intention of hitting the brakes, let alone turning the steering wheel."
You failed to see him straighten out Massachusetts' economy?   You failed to see him get ...what was it the Olympics, straightened out?   
 :facepalm:

Romney had a excellent record of making silk purses out of sow's ears. 
But I guess since his name isn't "Ron Paul"   some people just will not "see."

Romney, for that matter, badly miscalculated what he was up against; the democrat machine did a superb job of using the interwebz and modern tech to get out the vote for the dems in places that few if any would have  expected. 
But this was not really so much a Romney failure as a republican failure -- and the repubs had better get in high gear playing catch-up because we're one year + little away from the 2014 midterms.

BTW I like Ron Paul and if we had a country to start from scratch he'd be perfect.  But we're not living in 1776 we're living in 2013.  I do think his son Rand Paul is a little saner, though. ;)

TG:

Yeah, not quite.  Romney had a track record as being just barely to the right of Ted Kennedy.  His flip-flops on a score of issues made Kerry's flip-flops in 2004 look amateurish.  Anyone who was paying attention and had two brain cells to rub together knew Romney was not a sincere RINO, let alone a sincere conservative.  You would have to make arguments such as, "He was lying when he ran against Ted Kennedy, but he's telling the truth now!"

Also, Romney made zero appeals to the white working class.  Here BHO and the rainbow coalition of backstabbing socialists are busily buggering that demographic and Romney didn't have to guts to make explicit appeals to a rather large chunk of the electorate.  Hilary Clinton made better/more appeals to the WWC in 2008.  Because people who hate him and the WWC would call him "Raciss," Romney and the damnfool GOP consultancy just sloshed around in a puddle of their own odure.  And that is what lost them the election. 

To sum up: a flip-flopping coward is not the stuff to inspire voters to rush out and vote for him.

If he had, subsequent to his stint as Democrat-Lite Governor of Mass, busted his hump in the conservative trenches and engaged in the hard work that attracts arrows from the opposition, he might have been able to pull it off.  But, he didn't.  The path of Apostle Paul was not Romney's.  His makeover was as quick as it was skin deep. 






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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2013, 11:20:33 AM »
Work to get someone better on your side of the ticket or stop bitching when people decline to vote for D-Lite and either go elsewhere or stay home.

Again - the failures underlying Romney's unsuccessful run at election all had an R following their names, and they've been playing catch-up - badly - since the 2008 election cycle, if not prior to that. Persisting in trying to blame all the people Romney and his crew failed to inspire to vote for him is... unhelpful at best, and actually counterproductive, IMO.  

125 vs. 128.
:facepalm:

OK.  We've spent too much effort in talking past each other.  
But I reserve the right to "bitch" to my heart's content when I believe people take bad decisions in the voting booth, or vote for candidates because they are promised "goodies,"  or refuse to vote for conservatives because they are wrongly viewed as "democrat lite."  
You may view all this as "counterproductive."  So be it.  It is also how I view much of what comes from the mouths and pens of those who talk of Romney, et al, as "democrat lite."
The idea that a great part of the American electorate cannot take an intellignet decision at a poll sans ... "inspiration" is insipid and frightening.  Those who are much subject to "inspiration" are also those who will too easily fall prey to empty "hope anc change" rhetoric as well as ... "Obamaphones."
The only solution to this is better ejumacashun of the people, which will never happen under democrat leadership (and maybe not even republican), and cannot be accomplished overnight, or even before the 2014 midterms.
It is however, the only long-haul solution to what is ailing this country.


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TG:

Yeah, not quite.  Romney had a track record as being just barely to the right of Ted Kennedy.  His flip-flops on a score of issues made Kerry's flip-flops in 2004 look amateurish.  Anyone who was paying attention and had two brain cells to rub together knew Romney was not a sincere RINO, let alone a sincere conservative.  You would have to make arguments such as, "He was lying when he ran against Ted Kennedy, but he's telling the truth now!"

Also, Romney made zero appeals to the white working class.  Here BHO and the rainbow coalition of backstabbing socialists are busily buggering that demographic and Romney didn't have to guts to make explicit appeals to a rather large chunk of the electorate.  Hilary Clinton made better/more appeals to the WWC in 2008.  Because people who hate him and the WWC would call him "Raciss," Romney and the damnfool GOP consultancy just sloshed around in a puddle of their own odure.  And that is what lost them the election. 

To sum up: a flip-flopping coward is not the stuff to inspire voters to rush out and vote for him.

If he had, subsequent to his stint as Democrat-Lite Governor of Mass, busted his hump in the conservative trenches and engaged in the hard work that attracts arrows from the opposition, he might have been able to pull it off.  But, he didn't.  The path of Apostle Paul was not Romney's.  His makeover was as quick as it was skin deep. 

OK I had thought I was pretty much through with this thread but I guess not.
If you consider Romney "just to the right" of Ted Kennedy then you are the victim of serious delusions.  I don't even know where your political center is if you think that.
Romney "flip flopped?"   Obama did THAT in spades.   Was Reagan a "flip flopper?"  He once was a democrat and a strong supporter of FDR. 
I have neither the time or desire to go through an extensive list of rebuttals. 
Suffice it to say, Romney, warts and all, was a world better than Obama, and those who would disdain that in favor of Obama or taking no choice at all are simpletons or cowards. 
And, yes, THAT is an ad hominem. 
Which should (in theory) atleast make further debates seem meaningless to those who provoke. >:D
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #59 on: October 08, 2013, 11:33:05 AM »
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/10/08/clarifying-a-developing-story-turned-faux-outrage-veterans-arrested-at-war-memorial-its-not-dc-its-nyc-its-not-what-it-appears/

Says they were taken in NY.

Thank you so much for checking on that. I expect this will be making the rounds of the usual uninformed conservative conspiracy mongers this week.
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #60 on: October 08, 2013, 01:15:48 PM »
TG:

You have not been paying attention.

Back in 2008 I saw video from a debate between Romney and Kennedy, when Romney ran for the Senate.  "Just to the right of Ted Kennedy" is accurate.  Pro-abortion, anti-RKBA, you name it, Romney was slicing a smidge to the right of Teddy.  But like a lamprey, lots of skin to skin (political) contact.

I am supposed to believe this "Republican," who would be to the left of any Democrat elected south of the Mason-Dixon, all the sudden was born again conservative?

I voted for McCain in the general in 2008 and Romney in 2012 with no enthusiasm.  Had to force myself to "coyote vote(1)."  I can well imagine plenty of card carrying Republicans deciding otherwise and I can not provide them with reasons to vote other than "Vote for the guy who never met a country he did not want to bomb.  McCain 2008!" or "Vote for the guy who implemented Obamacare before Obama.  Romney 2012!"

The base does not require perfection, but a candidate that doesn't despise them (like McCain does) or ran & governed as a liberal is not too much to ask of the supposedly conservative party.



(1) Pull the lever for McCain or Romney with my arm and then chew it off.  I can't reach the lever with my foot, so no more coyote voting for me, thanks.
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #61 on: October 08, 2013, 01:20:43 PM »
Yes, he was running for senate IN A VERY LIBERAL STATE.

You need a little more knowledge of how the "game" <  [barf] > of politics is played.... before you accuse me of "not paying attention." :police:
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #62 on: October 08, 2013, 01:42:34 PM »
Yes, he was running for senate IN A VERY LIBERAL STATE.

You need a little more knowledge of how the "game" <  [barf] > of politics is played.... before you accuse me of "not paying attention." :police:

Tell me again who forced him to live and run for office in that state? 

And is your position that he was a lying sack back then, but was telling the truth in 2008 & 2012?  Or was lying in 2008 and 2012 and the real Romney was on stage with Teddy Kennedy?  Or is it your position that Romney is an amoral opportunist who will say whatever he thinks the audience wants to hear?  Sort of like Bill Clinton without the charm.

I would point out that you are not providing much for a conservative or liberty-minded voter to work with.  (Not showing outright hostility toward the GOP base like McCain did in 2000 is an improvement, I'll grant that.)
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #63 on: October 08, 2013, 01:44:38 PM »
You need a little more knowledge of how the "game" <  [barf] > of politics is played.... before you accuse me of "not paying attention." :police:
Pretty sure we understand generally how politics is played.  We also understand where playing politics with politicians has gotten us.

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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2013, 02:00:25 PM »
I thought the 2012 election was over  ???

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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2013, 03:42:09 PM »
TG:

You have not been paying attention.

Back in 2008 I saw video from a debate between Romney and Kennedy, when Romney ran for the Senate.  "Just to the right of Ted Kennedy" is accurate.  Pro-abortion, anti-RKBA, you name it, Romney was slicing a smidge to the right of Teddy.  But like a lamprey, lots of skin to skin (political) contact.

I am supposed to believe this "Republican," who would be to the left of any Democrat elected south of the Mason-Dixon, all the sudden was born again conservative?

I voted for McCain in the general in 2008 and Romney in 2012 with no enthusiasm.  Had to force myself to "coyote vote(1)."  I can well imagine plenty of card carrying Republicans deciding otherwise and I can not provide them with reasons to vote other than "Vote for the guy who never met a country he did not want to bomb.  McCain 2008!" or "Vote for the guy who implemented Obamacare before Obama.  Romney 2012!"

The base does not require perfection, but a candidate that doesn't despise them (like McCain does) or ran & governed as a liberal is not too much to ask of the supposedly conservative party.



(1) Pull the lever for McCain or Romney with my arm and then chew it off.  I can't reach the lever with my foot, so no more coyote voting for me, thanks.

I like the "coyote voting" thing! I too felt like chewing my arm off after voting for both McCain and Romney. I really felt soiled after "pulling the lever". Up till the election, I was determined I was not going to vote for more of the same but as the election grew closer I just couldn't stand to see Obama get into office so I panicked and voted against my conscience. Never again.

Nothing will ever change if we keep just voting "against" those we don't want instead of voting for who is better for America.
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2013, 03:54:02 PM »
Electing Dubya repeatedly even after he forcibly sodomized anything resembling conservative ideology (Medicare Part D? No Child Left Behind? Patriot Act? TSA? etc etc) was what got us Obama, and running candidates who either openly hated their base (McCain) or were significantly to the left of Dubya (or were just amoral sociopathic liars if you accept TG's formulation of Romney) is what led people to not vote in opposition to Obama.
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2013, 04:17:44 PM »
Electing Dubya repeatedly even after he forcibly sodomized anything resembling conservative ideology (Medicare Part D? No Child Left Behind? Patriot Act? TSA? etc etc) was what got us Obama, and running candidates who either openly hated their base (McCain) or were significantly to the left of Dubya (or were just amoral sociopathic liars if you accept TG's formulation of Romney) is what led people to not vote in opposition to Obama.

I think we were actually saved, in one respect, by Romney's dismal loss.

Had he been President after Sandy Hook, I am reasonably certain he would have LED the gun control charge.

At least with Obama "leading" the charge, the Republicans actually fought back and stopped it.

So there is one area we are actually better off with Obama as President.
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2013, 04:21:59 PM »
At least with Obama "leading" the charge, the Republicans actually fought back and stopped it.
Yeah, that was one reason that Bush was able to get away with so much.  Republicans gave him a pass or joined in with him doing catastrophically stupid stuff because he was a Republican.  If Gore or Kerry had tried to do half the stuff Bush did, GOP legislators would have kicked and screamed the whole way.

Because that's how politics works.

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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2013, 07:12:35 PM »
Tell me again who forced him to live and run for office in that state?  

And is your position that he was a lying sack back then, but was telling the truth in 2008 & 2012?  Or was lying in 2008 and 2012 and the real Romney was on stage with Teddy Kennedy?  Or is it your position that Romney is an amoral opportunist who will say whatever he thinks the audience wants to hear?  Sort of like Bill Clinton without the charm.

I would point out that you are not providing much for a conservative or liberty-minded voter to work with.  (Not showing outright hostility toward the GOP base like McCain did in 2000 is an improvement, I'll grant that.)

OK, let me try this:

ALL POLITICIANS ARE LYING SACKS, ALL THE TIME.

Need I expound on this more or is my position now CLEAR? >:D

It is not my job to provide "liberty minded" voters anything to work with.  You will forever find that your choices will remain Scuzzbag A, or Scumbucket B.

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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #70 on: October 09, 2013, 10:24:34 AM »
OK, let me try this:

ALL POLITICIANS ARE LYING SACKS, ALL THE TIME.

Need I expound on this more or is my position now CLEAR? >:D

It is not my job to provide "liberty minded" voters anything to work with.

It is if you want them to vote for a candidate YOU believe should be running the show, rather than for the one THEY believe would be best for that job. Republicans have as a party, over the past several election cycles, proven that they are NOT liberty-oriented - hell, they don't even adhere to their own statements of platform policy! It's on them and their supporters to show why people ought to bother trusting them, and they AREN'T DOING IT.

You will forever find that your choices will remain Scuzzbag A, or Scumbucket B.

Yeah, um, NO.

Whether you like it or not, whether you support them or not, whether they have a chance of being elected or not because far too many people actually believe that idiocy about "throwing your vote away," it remains a fact that in many, MANY elections, our choices include more than just Scuzzbag R or Scumbucket D. And if our voting for Idealist L (or I, or any other letter besides R or D) means that your Scuzzbag R doesn't get elected, well, perhaps you should have tried harder to civilly persuade us. Certainly Romney and his campaign should have, rather than insulting us and wrongly depriving supporters of other primary candidates from their voices and votes at the convention.

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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #71 on: October 09, 2013, 11:39:15 AM »



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Whether you like it or not, whether you support them or not, whether they have a chance of being elected or not because far too many people actually believe that idiocy about "throwing your vote away," it remains a fact that in many, MANY elections, our choices include more than just Scuzzbag R or Scumbucket D. And if our voting for Idealist L (or I, or any other letter besides R or D) means that your Scuzzbag R doesn't get elected, well, perhaps you should have tried harder to civilly persuade us. Certainly Romney and his campaign should have, rather than insulting us and wrongly depriving supporters of other primary candidates from their voices and votes at the convention.

How is voting for a candidate who polls like 5% or whatever of the electorate NOT throwing away your vote?
Sure, you get to feed your ego and run salve all over your conscience because you -- supposedly --  voted for the pure-as-the-driven-snow candidate rather than the "lesser-of-two-evils" or "demo-lite" critter, but what does it really get you beside that?  Society is still left to deal with, in our case, the biggest of the two evils: OBAMA

As for trying to "civilly persuade" how the &^^% do you do that with people who blather almost incomprehensibly about "Obamaphone" and how he's so great will Romney is ...what was the descriptor that black woman used in that video? .... scum?   Whatever.    She is not civil to begin with.  She wasn't even factually correct; it wasn't really Obama who passed out those cellphones; that program was started by Dubya.  But we cannot ascribe anything "good" to him, only bad 'cause you see, that's what's PC this era.
If it's BAD then by all means lump it on Dubya's resume of tyrannical deeds but don't hang that millstone 'round the big O's neck even if he really did do it.
And trust me, I never was fooling myself into believing I was ever trying to "civilly persuade."   I just calls it like I sees it and if the Devil yells in agony, so be it.  And if the Angels start screeching and bawling, so be it. 





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It is if you want them to vote for a candidate YOU believe should be running the show, rather than for the one THEY believe would be best for that job. Republicans have as a party, over the past several election cycles, proven that they are NOT liberty-oriented - hell, they don't even adhere to their own statements of platform policy! It's on them and their supporters to show why people ought to bother trusting them, and they AREN'T DOING IT.

The above, while actually I agree with to an extent, is hardly any excuse to abandon them to an impossible-to-elect third party.   They  can be persuaded by those they represent, but when those people run off to the third party the politician will chalk them off and look for others to support him....and if those others aren't so conservative or so true to their platform then the politician will alter his in order to win that support.  Thus goes a vicious cycle.  We eat our own, and do it very well.

"It is if you want them to vote for a candidate YOU believe should be running the show, rather than for the one THEY believe would be best for that job."
 ???
Don't tell me you wouldn't be doing cartwheels of onanistic pleasure if the candidate you supported had been elected.  I think we all feel that way atleast to a degree.   Everyone likes to have their opinions vindicated by general acceptance -- it's an ego thing.


Since I bcame old enough to vote, there has only been one candidate for whom I voted , for whom I ever truly supported -- and even that man was imperfect.

President Ronald Reagan.

That's right.  And he had once been a supporter of FDR.
But like that or not, Reagan did considerable thinking and writing about what drove him away from FDR, the democrat party, and toward conservativeism.

EVERY other political race since then has been .... well, as I said, "Scuzzbag A"  versus "Scumbucket B."


And BTW, my opinion of Reagan is subject to re-evaluation as the situation demands.




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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #72 on: October 09, 2013, 11:48:18 AM »


How is voting for a candidate who polls like 5% or whatever of the electorate NOT throwing away your vote?



Why vote at all?

It sanctions the violence of the State.

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But, if you are going to accept the silly notion that voting is political choice or power, then a person is hardly a fool or reprobate for exercising the full breadth of field when going about his vote. 

Each person jumping a parks service barrier is doing 1000 times the damage to authoritarianism policies of D's or R's than a damned voter.

Voting is adhering to the system, and the system is designed to muzzle your independence and compel compliance with the collective.

Get INVOLVED.  Don't vote.
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #73 on: October 09, 2013, 11:54:09 AM »
Why vote at all?

It sanctions the violence of the State.

"Never in my whole life did I swear allegiance to him."  --William Wallace.

"It matters not, he is your King."  --TommyGunn
But, if you are going to accept the silly notion that voting is political choice or power, then a person is hardly a fool or reprobate for exercising the full breadth of field when going about his vote. 

Each person jumping a parks service barrier is doing 1000 times the damage to authoritarianism policies of D's or R's than a damned voter.

Voting is adhering to the system, and the system is designed to muzzle your independence and compel compliance with the collective.

Get INVOLVED.  Don't vote.


That is a reprehensible quote to attribute to me; I never said that, I never meant that, and if you think I did then your comprehension level is beneath that of a "See John Run" grade school reader.  :mad:
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Re: The Longer the Shutdown the better for the American People
« Reply #74 on: October 09, 2013, 12:05:50 PM »
The above, while actually I agree with to an extent, is hardly any excuse to abandon them to an impossible-to-elect third party.   They  can be persuaded by those they represent, but when those people run off to the third party the politician will chalk them off and look for others to support him....and if those others aren't so conservative or so true to their platform then the politician will alter his in order to win that support.  Thus goes a vicious cycle.  We eat our own, and do it very well.

He can write them off, as Romeny did. Or, he can try to appeal to them since their vote for a third party (or not voting) was to encourage the leaders in the GOP to run a candidate that will actually improve the country, not continue down the same course with "minor tweaks" or "improvements".

You are arguing that their vote ensures a democrat win. (Short term.) I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you on that. They are disagreeing that voting for a spineless, flip-flopping weasel is the best option in the long run.

None of your arguments have done anything to sway those who think the long term future of the country is better served by watching a terrible candidate lose in hopes that the next candidate might learn the correct lessons.

Of course, your argument may also be that Politicians are too evil and stupid to learn that lesson. You may be right.
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