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Re: Vegas strip mass shooting!
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2017, 06:17:10 PM »
How soon after the shooting did Hillary post her tweets?
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« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2017, 06:18:39 PM »
How soon after the shooting did Hillary post her tweets?

You mean she actually waited until the shooting stopped?
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« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2017, 06:22:14 PM »
The media are really piling on. It's less than 24 hours since the incident, and already they're blaming Trump because he hasn't called for more gun control,, and because he hasn't started flapping his gums about a motive. Of course, the police on the scene have said they have no indication of a motive, but I guess a real president is supposed to just know these things. That's Obama's real legacy: a president is supposed to assume a motive that fits his agenda, without bothering to wait for those troublesome fact things to filter in. Shame on Trump for not speculating.

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There have already been over 270 mass shootings in the United States this year alone, according to www.massshootingtracker.org, although the exact definition is contested.

I'd say the definition in contested. I've been trying to track mass and school shootings in the U.S., and I only have eleven incidents during all of 2017. Including this one. I'm going to have to look at their list to see how they justify claiming 270 "mass shootings."
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« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2017, 06:23:06 PM »
For the sake of those of us who are lazy and/or so disgusted with various news sources that we can't stand to look at them, would someone be so kind as to outline the current known facts about what happened?

The last I got was when I left work around one, and that was NBC coverage full of crappy NBC speculations.
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« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2017, 06:23:51 PM »

I'd say the definition in contested. I've been trying to track mass and school shootings in the U.S., and I only have eleven incidents during all of 2017. Including this one. I'm going to have to look at their list to see how they justify claiming 270 "mass shootings."

They'll have done like the crime statistics and included gang shootings and whatnot.
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« Reply #80 on: October 02, 2017, 06:26:19 PM »
The media are really piling on. It's less than 24 hours since the incident, and already they're blaming Trump because he hasn't called for more gun control,, and because he hasn't started flapping his gums about a motive.

Also, Obama cried and Trump didn't. That's an actual Newsweek headline.
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« Reply #81 on: October 02, 2017, 06:30:53 PM »
Country-Western concert at outdoors site across the street from Mandalay Bay casino and hotel. Attendance 22,000 to 40,000 people (depending on what source you believe). Toward the end of the show, someone started shooting into the concert audience with what sounded like a machine gun. Shots were noted to be coming from an upper floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel. People scrammed. Many people shot, many others injured in the stampede.

Police responded. Shooter traced to a room on 32nd floor thanks to the gunsmoke setting off the smoke alarm in his room. Police breached door to room, shooter killed himself. Shooter reported to have 10 AR-15s and 5,000 rounds of ammunition. Reportedly, multiple rifles were equipped with slide-fire stocks.

Shooter was a retired accountant and high stakes gambler. Political and religious affiliations unknown -- shooter's brother says there were none that the family knows of.

Motive unknown. Police searching his home. His female roommate (nature of relationship unknown) is out of the country and is not considered a suspect.
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« Reply #82 on: October 02, 2017, 06:32:47 PM »
Country-Western concert at outdoors site across the street from Mandalay Bay casino and hotel. Attendance 22,000 to 40,000 people (depending on what source you believe). Toward the end of the show, someone started shooting into the concert audience with what sounded like a machine gun. Shots were noted to be coming from an upper floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel. People scrammed. Many people shot, many others injured in the stampede.

Police responded. Shooter traced to a room on 32nd floor thanks to the gunsmoke setting off the smoke alarm in his room. Police breached door to room, shooter killed himself. Shooter reported to have 10 AR-15s and 5,000 rounds of ammunition. Reportedly, multiple rifles were equipped with slide-fire stocks.

Shooter was a retired accountant and high stakes gambler. Political and religious affiliations unknown -- shooter's brother says there were none that the family knows of.

Motive unknown. Police searching his home. His female roommate (nature of relationship unknown) is out of the country and is not considered a suspect.

Thank you.

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« Reply #83 on: October 02, 2017, 06:33:41 PM »
Also, Obama cried and Trump didn't. That's an actual Newsweek headline.

Let Mattis answer that one in the vein of Sam Elliot's Sgtmaj Plumley character.
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« Reply #84 on: October 02, 2017, 06:42:28 PM »
Weaponised autism found a guy that looks like him named Steve at an anti-Trump rally in Reno, NV in August wearing a pink kitty hat and a NASA T-shirt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzO0lgvQID0

https://twitter.com/vsvs_a/status/914920065400795137  Video of someone walking up to the guy in question and saying "Hi Steve."

I know he worked for Lockheed from 1985-1988, I will see if I can better link him to NASA and see what else I can find.
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« Reply #85 on: October 02, 2017, 06:46:15 PM »
. . . Of course, the police on the scene have said they have no indication of a motive, but I guess a real president is supposed to just know these things . . .
A real, media-approved POTUS would just reflexively say that the police behaved stupidly, and all would be well with the press.
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« Reply #86 on: October 02, 2017, 06:48:41 PM »
Two questions. I read that it was approx 72 minutes from the start of the event till the cops breached. Was the perp shooting the whole time?

Second, I have never been to Vegas. Can someone who has tell me if perhaps the concert was just a target of opportunity, and perhaps the perp had (maybe) originally just planned on shooting down at the Strip on a Sunday night?
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« Reply #87 on: October 02, 2017, 06:50:57 PM »
That CBS lawyer that shot off her mouth also shot herself in the foot.  She got fired.
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« Reply #88 on: October 02, 2017, 06:52:19 PM »
Two questions. I read that it was approx 72 minutes from the start of the event till the cops breached. Was the perp shooting the whole time?

Second, I have never been to Vegas. Can someone who has tell me if perhaps the concert was just a target of opportunity, and perhaps the perp had (maybe) originally just planned on shooting down at the Strip on a Sunday night?

I would guess that an outdoor concert would have been well advertised and promoted.
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« Reply #89 on: October 02, 2017, 06:53:35 PM »
Thank you.

It seems that nothing much has changed since the last time I saw "news".

The victim count keeps climbing.
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« Reply #90 on: October 02, 2017, 06:59:58 PM »
I would guess that an outdoor concert would have been well advertised and promoted.

Definitely, but there are concerts in Vegas all the time. It is possible, of course (and seems to be the prevailing theory) that he targeted that concert in particular. I'm just suggesting an alternative that puts this more within the realm of previous crimes.
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« Reply #91 on: October 02, 2017, 07:02:31 PM »
Wasn't Trump clever to arrange this shooting to deflect attention from how madly his administration is responding to hurricane Maria? The man is obviously a PR genius. And the shooter is conveniently dead, so we'll never know how much Trump paid him.

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« Reply #92 on: October 02, 2017, 07:02:39 PM »
The victim count keeps climbing.

That I expect. It'll probably be a couple days before they have that number nailed down, depending on how things go at the hospitals.
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« Reply #93 on: October 02, 2017, 07:04:18 PM »
Weaponised autism found a guy that looks like him named Steve at an anti-Trump rally in Reno, NV in August wearing a pink kitty hat and a NASA T-shirt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzO0lgvQID0

https://twitter.com/vsvs_a/status/914920065400795137  Video of someone walking up to the guy in question and saying "Hi Steve."

I know he worked for Lockheed, I will see if I can better link him to NASA and see what else I can find.

There are 5 'Paddock' last names in the NASA global address list, none of which have first names Steve or Stephen or even middle initial "S".    Unfortunately, I no longer have access to the Lockheed Martin global email list, so I am unable to search that one.

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« Reply #94 on: October 02, 2017, 07:06:18 PM »
A good friend of mine has a good friend who is a recently-retired senior command officer in the Las Vegas PD. The retiree still lives in Las Vegas, so I'm sure he has some inside skinny. Here's what my friend said his friend reported:


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« Reply #95 on: October 02, 2017, 07:43:02 PM »
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shooter's brother says there were none that the family knows of.

His brother (the one in Orlando) is on another board I am a member of and he says;

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steve paddock was my brother... we have no idea why he did this from our side... he was no angel, but this is so far off the charts that we are dumbfounded...

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Two questions. I read that it was approx 72 minutes from the start of the event till the cops breached. Was the perp shooting the whole time?

Second, I have never been to Vegas. Can someone who has tell me if perhaps the concert was just a target of opportunity, and perhaps the perp had (maybe) originally just planned on shooting down at the Strip on a Sunday night?

I have heard ten minutes from the start of shooting until the door was breached and the shooter was dead.  ???

I don't think this was a TOO type of event. He put some thought into this IMO.

My son was in that same place for a concert about a month ago, he looked around and decided he was too vulnerable with the tall buildings all around. He said he had to leave. I guess all that time in A-Stan has made him just a little more aware and paranoid. That is not a bad thing.

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« Reply #96 on: October 02, 2017, 07:46:12 PM »
That CBS lawyer that shot off her mouth also shot herself in the foot.  She got fired.

For those that don't know what he is talking about. http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/cbs-legal-exec-no-sympathy-because-country-music-fans-often-are-republican/
You saw this same *expletive deleted*it with the Hurricane Harvey, and also after the shooting that left Scalise hospitalized. Many on the left were glad it happened to those evil right-wing people. I wouldn't be surprised at all that this was done by some leftist antifa supporter. There are some reports coming out by 4-chan showing what appears to be this Steve guy at some leftist rally.
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« Reply #97 on: October 02, 2017, 07:53:24 PM »
Well this is interesting. Apparently his dad was at one time on the FBI's most wanted list for robbing a bank and escaping prison before being caught again, http://nypost.com/2017/10/02/vegas-gunmans-psychopath-dad-landed-on-fbis-most-wanted-list/
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« Reply #98 on: October 02, 2017, 08:59:44 PM »
robear:  I looked at the articles. He worked for Lockheed from 1985-1988.

The common picture of him with darker hair is from 2002.
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« Reply #99 on: October 02, 2017, 09:13:29 PM »
Vox is going absolutely apes hit right now. Close to a dozen 'articles' decrying this and calling for gun control.

Of course they trot out Aussieland.

One article claims over 1,500 mass shootings in the US since Sandy Hook.



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