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Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« on: June 21, 2010, 02:07:31 PM »
http://www.thefoxnation.com/sen-jon-kyl/2010/06/21/senator-obama-told-me-hes-not-securing-border-purpose

Listen to the video in the top-most video.

While it's not possible for it to happen in a Dem-controlled Congress... could a Republican Congress Impeach a President for such actions, when he admits to those actions with a US Senator as a witness?
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2010, 02:10:40 PM »
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38789.html

The White House denies Kyl's accusation.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2010, 02:16:07 PM »
The words are in dispute, the actions aren't.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2010, 04:11:59 PM »
Just out of curiosity, what was the excuse for not securing the border prior to Obama?
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2010, 04:15:41 PM »
Washington bull-puckie.  Same as always.

Bush II trying to buy votes from R's that benefit from cheap labor (industrialized mega farms mostly).  And maybe get some of the illegal vote, too.

All these people will sell us out.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2010, 10:18:33 PM »
There are some things that can't be sold.  This is going to be one of them. 
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2010, 05:16:34 AM »
I wonder what the WH tapes say? Senator Kyl could subpoena them, I'd bet.

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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2010, 08:57:51 AM »
Quote from: Leatherneck on June 22, 2010, 05:16:34 AM
I wonder what the WH tapes say? Senator Kyl could subpoena them, I'd bet.

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I think they quit taping things in the Oval Office after Nixon.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2010, 10:31:28 AM »
I spoke to a liberal I  know about the "shake-down" of BP and the purported Kyl-Obama confab.  This lib didn't see anything wrong.  "That's just politics, normal, everyone does it all the time."

True enough.  But not in a Constitutional Republic with laws, in a banana republic.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2010, 11:05:02 AM »
Quote from: Leatherneck on June 22, 2010, 05:16:34 AM
I wonder what the WH tapes say? Senator Kyl could subpoena them, I'd bet.

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Speaking of tapes, I wonder what the DC laws, and political rules, say about recording devices. If I was a poli-critter in DC, I would always have an audio recorder with me for this very reason.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2010, 01:19:24 PM »
Well, given that DC is a Federal enclave run by Congress, I imagine any "local" laws would pose no problems for the Ubermensches.

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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2010, 06:59:40 PM »
We know DC gun laws don't apply to senators.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2010, 07:28:33 PM »
Quote from: Waitone on June 22, 2010, 06:59:40 PM
We know DC gun laws don't apply to senators.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2010, 10:45:41 AM »
Anyone really believe that all Oval Office chats aren't recorded?

If Obama could prove that Kyl were lying, you can damn well bet he'd be adducing that evidence.  He knows very well what he said and why he said it.

Now we hear--just rumors so far--that Obama's considering using an Executive Order for a de facto amnesty?  I'd like to think he wouldn't dare.  But I think he would.  He's willing to bet his crown on our apathy and acceptance of authority.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2010, 11:30:07 PM »
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2010, 06:40:06 AM »
Quote from: Fly320s on June 22, 2010, 11:05:02 AM
If I was a poli-critter in DC, I would always have an audio recorder with me for this very reason.

Local regs be damned, I'd do the same very quietly, and make arrangements to have the "Greatest Hits" selection posted to every major filesharing site immediately upon my death.  Even if the recording isn't admissible in court, there's a certain pleasure in proving that someone who calls you a liar is, in fact, lying themselves.

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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2010, 08:33:23 AM »
I've heard that Bush actually did take steps to ramp up enforcement.  With all the regulations involved, the President does NOT have the power to just say "SO IT SHALL BE" and it happens. 
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2010, 11:28:10 AM »
More interesting, to me anyway, is whether Obama plans an end-run around Congress and will use an executive order to de facto amnesty illegal aliens.  I'd say he wouldn't dare, but I think he would.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2010, 11:31:54 AM »
Quote from: longeyes on June 28, 2010, 11:28:10 AM
More interesting, to me anyway, is whether Obama plans an end-run around Congress and will use an executive order to de facto amnesty illegal aliens.  I'd say he wouldn't dare, but I think he would.

I'm sure he would dare. I doubt he can, though.
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Re: Jon Kyl: Obama not securing border on purpose
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2010, 11:11:32 PM »
Can't?  Who is going to stop him?  The same GOP that can't stop Kagan?
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