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« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2013, 12:01:57 PM »
Quote from: Hutch on August 30, 2013, 12:04:43 AM
ain't enough bidness in that town to warrant that kind of risky stance.  JMHO.  I mean, it's not pricey aircraft, or sophisticated armor, or top shelf anti-air.  Most of what these savages are killing each other with are a glut on the market.  Syria is doesn't have a pot to piss in, or a window to throw it out of, anyway.

Otoh, I have no other plausible explanation.
If we start sending planes into Syria, Russia might just decide to have Syria test some new hardware.
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« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2013, 01:00:28 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 30, 2013, 12:01:57 PM
If we start sending planes into Syria, Russia might just decide to have Syria test some new hardware.

Why not?  We got Israil to beta test our hardware, Putin might as well get some good data.  Come to think of it, real world data on current Russian hardware is the first useful thing I've heard we could get out of Syria.


'Course the data might end up being a mite expensive.   =|
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« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2013, 04:58:00 PM »
Kerry says Assad did it.  The Intelligence Community says they did it.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/30/john-kerry-syrian-regime-killed-1429-people-chemic/

The same Intelligence Community that blew 9/11 ?

The same Intelligence Community that screwed the pooch on WMD's in Iraq ?

The guys that totally missed the "Arab Spring" ?   (Still on-going, btw)

The same ones that "told" you that the four Americans getting killed in Benghazi was due to a video ?


We're supposed to once more risk American Lives (and borrowed Treasure) based on the word of those clowns ??

Seriously?!?!?!  They've killed over 100,000 on each side, and you expect us to start pounding the war drums over 1,349 who HATE US and died because the air was yucky ??   If they had killed them with artillery or rockets or bullets, that's okay, but yucky air is right out !!!   

If it's so all fired-up important, then answer me these questions three (ten my leige) Fine ten.*

1.  Is a vital national security interest threatened?
2.  Do we have a clear attainable objective?
3.  Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
4.  Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
5.  Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
6.  Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
7.  Is the action supported by the American people?
8.  Do we have genuine broad international support? 
9.  What about the sequester, it's reduced the US Forces and Defense spending.  Are you going to sit down with Congress and work out a solution ?
10.  This Congress agreed to "PayGo".  Where you must "Pay as You Go", what other spending will be cut to pay for these operations?

*1-8 are the "Powell Doctrine", named after Colin Powell.  It states that all those (at least the first eight) must be answered before the US commits to Military operations.

I still say our best answer is to sit this one out.  But if Obama goes ahead without Congressional approval, all hell will break loose.
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« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2013, 05:03:46 PM »
*expletive deleted*ck it

Anything to accelerate  the inevitable collapse is a good thing. That's my new position
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« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2013, 05:11:03 PM »
Quote from: Fitz on August 30, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
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Anything to accelerate  the inevitable collapse is a good thing. That's my new position

Sad to say, but I do agree and think the apple cart needs to be turned over.
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« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2013, 05:16:21 PM »
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« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2013, 05:43:13 PM »
Quote from: Fitz on August 30, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
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Anything to accelerate  the inevitable collapse is a good thing. That's my new position

Avoid the financial collapse of the American Empire by committing global suicide ?   =|
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« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2013, 06:48:24 PM »
Quote from: Fitz on August 30, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
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Anything to accelerate  the inevitable collapse is a good thing. That's my new position

Welcome to my world.
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« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2013, 08:25:50 PM »
Quote from: Tallpine on August 30, 2013, 05:43:13 PM
Avoid the financial collapse of the American Empire by committing global suicide ?   =|

Nope


Accelerate the collapse so we can start over
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« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2013, 08:36:42 PM »
Quote from: Fitz on August 30, 2013, 08:25:50 PM
Nope


Accelerate the collapse so we can start over

The truth burns.
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« Reply #85 on: August 30, 2013, 10:15:31 PM »
Quote from: Fitz on August 30, 2013, 08:25:50 PM
Nope


Accelerate the collapse so we can start over

I'm all for that, except it's hard to start over when you're dead.
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« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2013, 10:32:11 PM »
You're safe, Tallpine.

You're so far out there in the sticks that even a mass extinction event would take a decade or so to reach you.   ;)
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« Reply #87 on: August 30, 2013, 11:13:01 PM »
Well, since he can't get Britain to do something and those pesky Chinese and Russian are going to say Bu and Nyet in the Security Council, so there will be no action or even resolution from the UN.  Oh, John Kerry, how can we do anything militarily without the UN's approval.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/12/30/Top-Ten-Worst-John-Kerry-Foreign-Policy-Mistakes

And ready to eat your own words there Mr. Secretary ?

http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_War_+_Peace.htm
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« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2013, 01:08:24 AM »
Russia has said, correctly, that unilateral intervention by the US is a violation of international law.  Since Obama is justifying his attack based on Syria's violation of international law, couldn't Russia make the same claim against the US?

I don't believe for a minute that they'll attack the US in the US but I can't help but wonder if they'd try to destroy our Mideast attack capability under a claim of moral superiority just like Obama is making.
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« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2013, 01:10:19 AM »
Anyone taking any special precautions this weekend?  I'm keeping the gas tanks topped off.  Anything else?
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« Reply #90 on: August 31, 2013, 06:15:27 AM »
Quote from: Gewehr98 on August 30, 2013, 10:32:11 PM
You're safe, Tallpine.

You're so far out there in the sticks that even a mass extinction event would take a decade or so to reach you.   ;)

I dunno ... we still have a lot of missle silos not very far from me.  I suppose those are on Russia's target list.

We bomb Syria.

Syria bombs Israel.

Isreal incinerates Syria.

What could go wrong  ???   :facepalm:
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« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2013, 10:38:52 AM »
Isn't gutting Syria all about hurting Iran?

And isn't hurting Iran all about keeping regional "allies" safe and under American influence?

And isn't keeping regional "allies" safe and under American influence all about keeping the petrodollar alive and well?

Protecting the dollars-for-oil monopoly... because that's all we got.

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« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2013, 12:55:51 PM »
Syria will NOT do anything to Israel.  The Assad regime has it's hands full with the FSA/rebels.  They don't need another front/fight to deal with.

Even though they hate Israel with a passion, Assad's smart enough to keep Israel out of this.  If he wasn't, he'd have already attacked them by now.

Assad is content to keep this within the borders of Syria, besides, he's winning on the ground.  Pushing the rebels back, slowly but surely.  My bet is that within a year, there will be a "Peace Conference" and Syria, gets divided along tribal (or ending battle) lines, ala Germany and North Korea.
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« Reply #93 on: August 31, 2013, 02:09:02 PM »
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« Reply #94 on: August 31, 2013, 02:16:42 PM »
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« Reply #95 on: August 31, 2013, 02:19:08 PM »
Kerry is for bombing Syria before he is going to be against it.
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« Reply #96 on: August 31, 2013, 02:23:20 PM »
Quote from: wmenorr67 on August 31, 2013, 02:19:08 PM
Kerry is for bombing Syria before he is going to be against it.

And that's after being against such things in the first place, after being for them. And then being for them before being against them.

And all that jazz.
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« Reply #97 on: August 31, 2013, 02:47:44 PM »
Now that I think about it for a moment, maybe this is his way of tucking tail while being able to save at least some face. He's run around talking big and bad and at every turn his plan has fallen apart and his bluff has been called.

So an adult in the room probably sat him down, explained it's over, and rather than doubling down on the stupid they come up with a plan to loose minimal face.

He knows full well the votes aren't there for congressional approval. So he "lets" it go to congress for debate and a vote, he takes a hit for being bitch slapped by congress, but he gets to spin it as "reluctantly" being unable to act. Still losses some face, but a hell of a lot better than his bluff being called and pretty much every other player in this game having made him his bitch.

And if by some miracle it goes through, he can blame congress when it falls apart. And if by some miracle we are harmed by leaving it to them to sort out, he can blame congress for keeping him from acting.
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« Reply #98 on: August 31, 2013, 06:26:27 PM »
Not just blame Congress, but blame Republicans.


"I wanted to stop the violence in Syria, I was ready to stop the violence in Syria, but the stonewalling, do-nothing Republicans prevented me for acting and stopping the violence in Syria."


Here's an idea Oh, winner of Nobel Peace Prize.  Why do you go earn it.  See if you can do a TR* and pull both sides into the same room and work something out.



*The Russo-Japanese War, granted by that time the Japanese had kicked the crap out of the Russians, twice, (well maybe six or seven times, depending on how you count) along with a weak economy and various revolutions caused the Russians to head to the peace table.   (Hmmmm, why does that should sound familiar.)
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« Reply #99 on: August 31, 2013, 11:40:02 PM »
Quote from: dogmush on August 30, 2013, 01:00:28 PM
Why not?  We got Israil to beta test our hardware, Putin might as well get some good data.  Come to think of it, real world data on current Russian hardware is the first useful thing I've heard we could get out of Syria.


'Course the data might end up being a mite expensive.   =|
That is my thought also.  Is bombing Syria worth even one US life?  I doubt it is even worth the bombs we would use.
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