Post by: K Frame on May 17, 2008, 06:42:14 AM
Maybe he's finally been overcome by guilt at leaving a woman to die in a submerged car?
Post by: oldfart on May 17, 2008, 06:50:47 AM
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 17, 2008, 07:02:07 AM
Post by: K Frame on May 17, 2008, 07:04:16 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 17, 2008, 07:29:18 AM
Post by: Standing Wolf on May 17, 2008, 08:07:49 AM
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Maybe he's finally been overcome by guilt at leaving a woman to die in a submerged car?
Are you sure that's sufficiently respectful to the Hero of Chappaquiddick?
Post by: 209 on May 17, 2008, 08:11:19 AM
Post by: K Frame on May 17, 2008, 08:24:03 AM
Post by: Bigjake on May 17, 2008, 08:28:34 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 17, 2008, 08:58:37 AM
Okay, I'm stupid. What's a DU moment? Educate Me!
I'm talking about the kind of gleeful cackling that has gone on at some left-wing websites, when conservatives have died or taken sick. Such as when Jerry Falwell died, or Heston, and I think there was some nasty talk when Cheney had heart problems a couple of years ago.
Much as I despise Kennedy, and I think the world will be a better place without him, I think this thread has already crossed the line. And that was at the first post.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 17, 2008, 09:12:16 AM
Post by: K Frame on May 17, 2008, 09:16:52 AM
No.
Am I wishing him a painful, lingering death?
No.
Am I pointing to an even in the man's life for which he has never taken responsibility, and which should have destroyed his career?
Yes.
Don't like it?
Tough.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 17, 2008, 09:21:22 AM
Post by: K Frame on May 17, 2008, 10:00:36 AM
Point me to such a post.
It is perfectly legitimate to question actions and motivations in the man's life, especially when they're born out by facts:
Fact - Mary Jo Kopechne left a party with Ted Kennedy.
Fact - Kennedy was at the wheel when the car went over the side of a bridge turned turtle in a pond.
Fact - Kennedy returned to where the party was being held and told several others of the accident. No phone call was made to police or rescue services.
Fact - Kennedy and several others went back to the pond and claim to have tried to get Kopechne out of the car.
Fact - Police/rescue services were not summoned to the scene until at least 10 hours after the accident.
Fact - Kennedy claims to have been sober at the time of the accident.
Fact - Witnesses at the party dispute that.
Fact - Kennedy, over the years, has displayed little remorse at Kopechne's death.
Fact - Kennedy received, even for that time, light judicial punishment.
Post by: K Frame on May 17, 2008, 10:04:05 AM
CNN is now reporting that he suffered a seizure of unknown cause.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 17, 2008, 10:33:00 AM
Post by: taurusowner on May 17, 2008, 10:33:33 AM
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 17, 2008, 10:48:45 AM
Post by: lupinus on May 17, 2008, 11:04:02 AM
And foxnews is reporting two seizures of unknown reason.
Post by: lupinus on May 17, 2008, 11:05:33 AM
Why...yes, being directly responsible for someones death has been a general minority in the population throughout history.
Post by: Balog on May 17, 2008, 11:33:06 AM
Post by: K Frame on May 17, 2008, 12:14:26 PM
I can only surmise that you are speaking hypothetically, as no one has done such in this thread.
At the time I first posted this, there was NO indication that he suffered "stroke-like" symptoms.
I also see absolutely no gleeful banter.
Only pointed observations regarding known transgressions in the man's life.
If you consider that to be "gleefull bnter," I'd really hate to see how you'd categorize someone saying something truly derogatory about the man.
"cruel comments of that type in a public forumn where fols who are kin or just acolytes can be affected and hurt isn't my style."
Cruel comments?
It's now CRUEL to recount known, but negative, facts about someone?
So, anything less than a verbal apotheosis is cruel?
Curious.
Oh, and I've asked you to provide an example of my supposed double standard.
Please do so, or exit the thread.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on May 17, 2008, 12:27:29 PM
bearing in mind that my feelings about kennedy are such as to have earned me a visit and investigation from the secret serrvice in the early 80's
You've slipped a few anecdotal whoppers into your posts from time to time however, I'm sure a lot of people would like to see some kind of proof you were investigated by the secret serrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrvice because of your "feelings".
Post by: longeyes on May 17, 2008, 12:44:54 PM
Post by: roo_ster on May 17, 2008, 01:38:54 PM
So what does someone have to do before we can be happy when they die? Murder apparently isn't enough. Rape, child molestation, kidnapping, slavery, what?
Interesting question.Teddy got drunk and got his mistress killed (A trifecta of homicide, DWI, and adultery). Apparently it is uncouth to express approval of his removal (from this plane).
How about Robert Byrd? He was an official in the KKK. Would it be OK to let slip a giggle or two?
Maybe Bull Connor qualified? Where does firehosing civil rights activists rate relative to a cocktail of homicide, DWI, & adultery?
Post by: Balog on May 17, 2008, 01:52:32 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 17, 2008, 02:16:19 PM
Much as I despise Kennedy, and I think the world will be a better place without him, I think this thread has already crossed the line. And that was at the first post.
I'll be perfectly satisfied when the man is dead and gone. Even without Kepechny, he's a sick, evil individual that has done many dark deeds in his official capacity, before our illustrious Senate.
That doesn't mean I laugh or "rejoice" about it. Nor do I take the occasion of his sudden illness to bring up ancient dirty laundry. What comments I have made are not thrown out there for fun, but are meant in calm earnest.
I know it's a very subjective thing. Your mileage may vary. FWIW, I'm not saying that this thread has fathomed the same depths of what has gone on at other web sites. I'm just saying it's gone farther than it should, in my "holier than thou" opinion.
But to more directly answer your question, I found Saddam's execution to be a moment for rejoicing.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 17, 2008, 02:20:58 PM
I do hope the bloated old idiot will retire as a result of this, though. He's done enough damage to America.
Post by: Balog on May 17, 2008, 02:36:13 PM
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 17, 2008, 02:47:42 PM
bearing in mind that my feelings about kennedy are such as to have earned me a visit and investigation from the secret serrvice in the early 80's
You've slipped a few anecdotal whoppers into your posts from time to time however, I'm sure a lot of people would like to see some kind of proof you were investigated by the secret serrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrvice because of your "feelings".
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 17, 2008, 02:49:21 PM
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 17, 2008, 07:55:53 PM
Back on Kennedy. The man is a picture of what is wrong with this country. Why is it in all the faults that the Kennedy's may have this one is the one still up and kicking.
Post by: longeyes on May 17, 2008, 08:11:49 PM
Post by: stevelyn on May 18, 2008, 04:29:40 AM
Just because it's living and in humanoid form doesn't mean that it's precious or possesses any humanity.
Post by: LadySmith on May 18, 2008, 04:35:38 AM
So what does someone have to do before we can be happy when they die? Murder apparently isn't enough. Rape, child molestation, kidnapping, slavery, what?
I'm settling for relief when someone evil passes away.I won't rejoice unless I had a hand in seeing them off.
"I've never killed a man, but I've read many an obituary with a great deal of satisfaction." - Mark Twain
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 18, 2008, 05:00:07 AM
Just because it's living and in humanoid form doesn't mean that it's precious or possesses any humanity.
Exactly how is a living human not human, then?
Post by: longeyes on May 18, 2008, 08:13:23 AM
It's hard to know what drives Kennedy exactly, but I don't believe it's fervor for social justice. Maybe he just wants more Catholics in America? Maybe he's expiating some sin? Or maybe he's getting back at his old man? I don't know. I do know he's a liar and a dissembler and a coward and a cheater. He is one more plutocrat who excels at giving other people's money away. This man's career began with nepotism and the foolishness of crowds (or, more to the point, clans) and hasn't abated for 46 years. The mentality that put 30-year old Ted, in 1962, in his brother's Senate seat is exactly what we are seeing today, writ large, and it threatens to become universal if Obama is elected. Beware.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 18, 2008, 12:26:07 PM
It's no wonder that Kennedy endorsed Obama. They are equally confused.
It's hard to know what drives Kennedy exactly, but I don't believe it's fervor for social justice. Maybe he just wants more Catholics in America? Maybe he's expiating some sin?
It's hard to know what drives Kennedy exactly, but I don't believe it's fervor for social justice. Maybe he just wants more Catholics in America? Maybe he's expiating some sin?
What could that be?
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 18, 2008, 03:58:55 PM
As to the cause of the hospital visit, I'm gonna guess that he had too much blood in his alcohol system...
Post by: K Frame on May 18, 2008, 07:31:56 PM
Human and humanity are two completely different things.
Human is a noun. It's a thing. You, I, and every one else here are humans. That's a biological definition.
In the context in which I believe Steve is using it, humanity is something that a human may, or may not, possess. It's an intangible quality comprising benevolence, charity, compassion, and other qualities
Post by: ilbob on May 19, 2008, 05:14:17 AM
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 19, 2008, 06:31:49 AM
Call it low class if you'ld like, but I do rejoice in the idea of Ted Kennedy being shuffled off this mortal coil.
As to the cause of the hospital visit, I'm gonna guess that he had too much blood in his alcohol system...
Might lower the price of ethanol...
As to the cause of the hospital visit, I'm gonna guess that he had too much blood in his alcohol system...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 19, 2008, 10:27:57 AM
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on May 19, 2008, 10:57:06 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356593,00.html
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Cutter said Monday the senator had a restful night at Massachusetts General Hospital. He spent Sunday watching sports and movies and visiting with family.
Reading between the lines, it sounds like Teddy is in a stroke-like state and is unfit to be seen in public. He is mildly non-responsive, so someone turned the hospital TV to TNT and left it on in the corner. Family members took turns sitting by the side of the bed, hoping for him to recover.
I'm thinking, he's done.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 19, 2008, 12:27:22 PM
Human and humanity are two completely different things.
In the context in which I believe Steve is using it, humanity is something that a human may, or may not, possess. It's an intangible quality comprising benevolence, charity, compassion, and other qualities
In the context in which I believe Steve is using it, humanity is something that a human may, or may not, possess. It's an intangible quality comprising benevolence, charity, compassion, and other qualities
No, he wasn't using it that way.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 19, 2008, 12:33:53 PM
And, he's a drunken Irishman, to boot, so I have some empathy for him.
Post by: seeker_two on May 19, 2008, 04:26:42 PM
Exactly how is a living human not human, then?
Well, we are talking about a Kennedy, here.....
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 19, 2008, 04:47:52 PM
Post by: K Frame on May 19, 2008, 04:53:58 PM
Human and humanity are two completely different things.
In the context in which I believe Steve is using it, humanity is something that a human may, or may not, possess. It's an intangible quality comprising benevolence, charity, compassion, and other qualities
In the context in which I believe Steve is using it, humanity is something that a human may, or may not, possess. It's an intangible quality comprising benevolence, charity, compassion, and other qualities
No, he wasn't using it that way.
Yeah, he was.
Had you bothered to A) read what he wrote, and B) quote it correctly, you'd get the point.
Otherwise, the question you asked in response to his message makes even less sense than is normal for your posts.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 19, 2008, 05:09:11 PM
Now go read his post. He gave no indication that he was discussing Kennedy's compassion or benevolence, so one can only assume he was talking about whether Kennedy qualified as human. Now go define common words like "humanity" for someone who needs your help, Mr. Dictionary.
Post by: GigaBuist on May 20, 2008, 08:29:43 AM
The AP says it's a brain tumor now.
Post by: Ezekiel on May 20, 2008, 08:33:55 AM
Post by: K Frame on May 20, 2008, 08:36:58 AM
He also gave no indication that he wasn't talking about Kennedy's inherent, inate qualities, either so you're equally far out on a limb and only assuming that you know what you're talking about.
The only difference is that I stated up front that I was making basing my interpretation on what I thought Steve was saying.
You have no more or less ability to claim that your position is correct than do I.
I wouldn't have to get out the dictionary so often if there weren't so many charming people at my educational level on VERY this diverse site.
Post by: K Frame on May 20, 2008, 08:38:47 AM
Just last month my best friend of 40+ years lost his Father to a cluster of brain tumors that were discovered after he fell at home.
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 20, 2008, 08:39:18 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 20, 2008, 09:14:21 AM
Can't say he's not had a rich, full life (Can't say the same for that poor young girl he manslaughtered).
Post by: seeker_two on May 20, 2008, 09:31:14 AM
Praying for him and his family....
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on May 20, 2008, 10:05:16 AM
Post by: elrod on May 20, 2008, 12:25:26 PM
While I seriously and vehemetely oppose the man's politics, I feel bad for him and his family.
Not to mention his morals. Enough already said. I will pray for his soul.
Post by: Gewehr98 on May 20, 2008, 01:31:29 PM
"Kennedy has malignant brain tumor!"
Mary Jo Kopechne unavailable for comment...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 20, 2008, 02:10:53 PM
Post by: vernal45 on May 20, 2008, 02:42:26 PM
Post by: K Frame on May 20, 2008, 03:17:15 PM
Post by: stevelyn on May 20, 2008, 08:02:14 PM
Human and humanity are two completely different things.
In the context in which I believe Steve is using it, humanity is something that a human may, or may not, possess. It's an intangible quality comprising benevolence, charity, compassion, and other qualities
In the context in which I believe Steve is using it, humanity is something that a human may, or may not, possess. It's an intangible quality comprising benevolence, charity, compassion, and other qualities
No, he wasn't using it that way.
Kennedy spent his life making me his enemy. I don't consider him to be human.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 21, 2008, 06:07:42 AM
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Arlen Spectre.
That's it. I remember it as brain cancer, but wiki says it was Hodgkins Lymphoma. So I remembered wrong. Wiki also says the cancer came back.
God, I hate cancer. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
Post by: K Frame on May 21, 2008, 06:11:34 AM
I don't know if it was cancerous or not.
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 21, 2008, 06:25:10 AM
It sounds like he has a glioblastoma multiforme, which is a good deal more aggressive than mine. Typically less than a year life expectancy.
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 21, 2008, 06:26:23 AM
Specter did have a brain tumor at some point in the past.
I don't know if it was cancerous or not.
Specter may have had a secondary brain tumor. Some other type of cancer that spread to his brain. Lance Armstrong had secondary brain tumors from his testicular cancer IIRC.
I don't know if it was cancerous or not.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 21, 2008, 08:26:36 AM
Kennedy spent his life making me his enemy. I don't consider him to be human.
Ahem.
Post by: taurusowner on May 23, 2008, 02:42:10 PM
Rest in Peace Mary Jo Kopechne.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 23, 2008, 04:17:43 PM
Having a primary brain tumor (oligodendroglioma), I can say that I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Even Ted Kennedy.
It sounds like he has a glioblastoma multiforme, which is a good deal more aggressive than mine. Typically less than a year life expectancy.
It sounds like he has a glioblastoma multiforme, which is a good deal more aggressive than mine. Typically less than a year life expectancy.
What is your long term prognosis? I wish you a full recovery...
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 23, 2008, 05:14:59 PM
Having a primary brain tumor (oligodendroglioma), I can say that I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Even Ted Kennedy.
It sounds like he has a glioblastoma multiforme, which is a good deal more aggressive than mine. Typically less than a year life expectancy.
It sounds like he has a glioblastoma multiforme, which is a good deal more aggressive than mine. Typically less than a year life expectancy.
What is your long term prognosis? I wish you a full recovery...
Post by: HK-91-762MM on May 25, 2008, 11:57:09 AM
It Only took 1 post to be banned over there! I guess they dont like freedom of speach.
As to teddy=If i posted what I feel -You would take me 1st amendmaent rights too. After all hes done to me what 3world dictators do to there people
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 27, 2008, 08:09:19 PM
a new bench mark for bombast has been set
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 27, 2008, 10:12:10 PM
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 28, 2008, 04:14:23 AM
Do you know what HK-91-762MM means by this?
Balrog,I've copied his post and forwarded it to Lee Mercer. I'll let you know when he replies via intelligence wire.
XMF
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 28, 2008, 09:23:30 AM
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 28, 2008, 09:36:11 AM