Welp, Virginia is screwed

[French G.]

We survive this and it is like 1993 in national politics. Historic win, let's shoot ourselves in the foot by rankling the rednecks. First unified dem state government in 25 years. Now of course you could remind me that the 1994 Newt Gingrich Congress pissed away their chance, but to that I assure you that the VA red team is way dumber than that... This might be a high point for blue VA, remains to be seen if the other crew is worth a crap.

[Perd Hapley]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-zealands-gun-buyback-was-a-total-flop-report-says

Yeah, confiscation's gonna work real well in VA.

[Unisaw]

VCDL and GOA have combined forces:

https://gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/GOA-VCDL-Response-to-Herring-AO-December-26-2019.pdf

To a layman, this seems like a well-conceived refutation of the Virginia AG’s assertion that the 2A sanctuary resolutions lack any legal substance.  Among other things, it points out his abject hypocrisy. 

[Angel Eyes]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/virginia-dems-pushing-gun-control-91-of-virginia-counties-tell-them-to-stick-it

Despite the efforts of Democrats in Virginia who have plans to interfere with the Second Amendment rights of the state’s citizens, on Monday night Fauquier County and Charles City County both voted to become “sanctuary counties,” bringing the total of “sanctuary counties” in Virginia to 87, representing 91% of the counties in Virginia.

It would be interesting to know what percentage of Virginia's population is in those 87 counties.

[Ben]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/virginia-dems-pushing-gun-control-91-of-virginia-counties-tell-them-to-stick-it

It would be interesting to know what percentage of Virginia's population is in those 87 counties.

Or the inverse - what percentage of morons live in a couple of densely populated tiny geographic areas. We talk about metros like San Francisco and LA controlling CA, but given the number of rebelling counties, VA seems even (and surprisingly to me) worse off in that regard.

[bedlamite]

https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/24/virginia-governor-northam-increases-corrections-budget-in-anticipation-of-jailing-gun-owners/

[French G.]

The good (R)s are getting in on the act now. Bills still being pre-filed for the GA session. One Rino filed a bill to require training before a firearms purchase. A poll tax by any other name. He yanked it after getting torched. Another R has one filed to increase CCW training requirements. Meanwhile, I am probably staying out of Richmond on Lobby day. It is always on MLK day and VCDL always goes. I went to one. VCDL is pissing and moaning about how we dress, open carry of rifles etc. Meanwhile losing total control because apparently everyone is coming. Liable to be a shitshow billed as a racist rally.

[Ron]

100% non-compliance with no violence would be the best first move imho.

The left wants things to go boogaloo.

They thrive on chaos. They never let a crises go to waste.

[Ben]

VCDL is pissing and moaning about how we dress, open carry of rifles etc.

If they're moaning about what I think they're moaning about, I kinda have to agree with them. Like it or not, clean jeans and a polo shirt get you much farther on the PR front than does wearing battle rattle, or t-shirts with the sleeves ripped off and a mullet. As does a slung rifle vs an M4gory carried at low ready.

[French G.]

Yes, but... The clean cut PR front has been done to death by them for years. And here we are.  It has become a "my way of carry is fine, but the rest of you are weirdos. While a set of khakis and a polo shirt might go a long way we are at the point of stand for protecting all carry or none of it. All speech or none. Trying to be accepted by "them" got us Mitt Romney et. al.

[WLJ]

The Greta excuse?

   Virginia school system implements landmark new policy allowing absences for student protests https://t.co/ujDyx9W3sH pic.twitter.com/Rg2BzyFBFi

    — The Hill (@thehill) December 28, 2019

   Virginia’s Fairfax County Public Schools has implemented a landmark policy allowing students to take time off to participate in protests.

    Beginning Jan. 27, the school district will allow students in seventh through 12th grades one excused absence per year to participate in “civic engagement activities,” according to multiple news outlets.

    Fairfax School Board member Ryan McElveen, who reportedly introduced the policy, said the rule may be the first of its kind in the U.S. and was made in response to a recent wave of student activism across the country.

‘Let’s see if that counts for 2A or pro-Trump’: Virginia school system to allow absences for student protests (will there be exceptions?)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/12/28/lets-see-if-that-counts-for-2a-or-pro-trump-virginia-school-system-to-allow-absences-for-student-protests-will-there-be-exceptions/

[zxcvbob]

The Greta excuse?

‘Let’s see if that counts for 2A or pro-Trump’: Virginia school system to allow absences for student protests (will there be exceptions?)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/12/28/lets-see-if-that-counts-for-2a-or-pro-trump-virginia-school-system-to-allow-absences-for-student-protests-will-there-be-exceptions/

Nobody gives a *expletive deleted*it about one absence.  Attendance in school is important, but perfect attendance is highly overrated.  A parent can take a kid out of school any time, and if they don't do it often nobody cares.  It will be interesting whether the policy is only used for approved causes (First Amendment violation)

[T.O.M.]

I'm worried about Virginia.  Seems like we've got a bunch of people on both sides itching for bloodshed.  We've got a governor ready to institute confiscation, ready to call out the National Guard to enforce confiscation laws, and pretty much getting the cells ready for anyone who doesn't capitulate.  On the other hand I"m seeing more and more folks on line spouting "It's the boogaloo!  Load up!" 

So I worry that some 20 something year old kid in the Guard is going to walk up to some house, pound on the door like he was told to do, and order the home owner to open up.  Owner looks out, sees a soldier, complete with a plate carrier, and M4, and other soldiers with a Humvee in the street.  So owner grabs his plate carrier, his M4gery, and sends a group chat to his buddies that the redcoats are at the door.  Suddenly, a small group of Guardsmen at the house find themselves looking at a group of armed citizens.  Nervous people on both sides.  A lapse in trigger discipline, a car backfire, or one person on either side a little too eager to get a confirmed kill, and we've got a nightmare on our hands.

God, I hope not...

[French G.]

National Guard isn't an issue. Big overlap between people that actually believe in 1776 America and the Guard. The issue is they will water it down, go for registration and everyone will calm down and say it's fine. Generational gun ban.

[BobR]

It doesn't seem to be going away or getting any dimmer in some people's minds, esp the one who made it his pet project for re-election. More money for the jails in anticipation of arrests of gun scofflaws.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/report-virginia-increases-corrections-budget-in-preparation-for-arrests-of-gun-owners-police-officers/

bob

[Devonai]

My neighbors all know I'm in the Guard. Many likely own guns, too. So while I'm at the base loading pallets of MREs and drinking water, my house gets burned to the foundation. No thanks.

[zxcvbob]

My neighbors all know I'm in the Guard. Many likely own guns, too. So while I'm at the base loading pallets of MREs and drinking water, my house gets burned to the foundation. No thanks.

More likely you will start see political assassinations if the balloon really goes up. That's usually a bad thing but not always.  (Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin would approve)  And you may see SWAT teams getting ambushed while trying to arrest someone else.  I think you and your house are pretty safe while you're on base.  Go out on a goon squad and (no offense) you become a legitimate target.

[Pb]

More likely you will start see political assassinations if the balloon really goes up. That's usually a bad thing but not always.  (Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin would approve)  And you may see SWAT teams getting ambushed while trying to arrest someone else.  I think you and your house are pretty safe while you're on base.  Go out on a goon squad and (no offense) you become a legitimate target.

I also think a "Second American Revolution" would involve massive amount of assassinations.  I am thinking about what happened in the Iraqi civil war… people slaughtering collaborators, politicians, civil servants, police, lawyers, and anyone who works for the opposition.  It would be horrific.  This must be avoided.

[Northwoods]

I also think a "Second American Revolution" would involve massive amount of assassinations.  I am thinking about what happened in the Iraqi civil war… people slaughtering collaborators, politicians, civil servants, police, lawyers, and anyone who works for the opposition.  It would be horrific.  This must be avoided.

The irony is how justified the left would feel in engaging in such actions while decrying the "evil" of private gun ownership.

[Pb]

The irony is how justified the left would feel in engaging in such actions while decrying the "evil" of private gun ownership.

The fact is, it is a lot easier to kill a local low level political party functionary than attack a tank.  The Iraqis learned that very well, and Americans would learn it too.

[RoadKingLarry]

The fact is, it is a lot easier to kill a local low level political party functionary than attack a tank.  The Iraqis learned that very well, and Americans would learn it too.

There are a great many that already know that lesson.

[Perd Hapley]

I'm worried about Virginia.  Seems like we've got a bunch of people on both sides itching for bloodshed.  We've got a governor ready to institute confiscation, ready to call out the National Guard to enforce confiscation laws, and pretty much getting the cells ready for anyone who doesn't capitulate.  On the other hand I"m seeing more and more folks on line spouting "It's the boogaloo!  Load up!" 

So I worry that some 20 something year old kid in the Guard is going to walk up to some house, pound on the door like he was told to do, and order the home owner to open up.  Owner looks out, sees a soldier, complete with a plate carrier, and M4, and other soldiers with a Humvee in the street.  So owner grabs his plate carrier, his M4gery, and sends a group chat to his buddies that the redcoats are at the door.  Suddenly, a small group of Guardsmen at the house find themselves looking at a group of armed citizens.  Nervous people on both sides.  A lapse in trigger discipline, a car backfire, or one person on either side a little too eager to get a confirmed kill, and we've got a nightmare on our hands.

God, I hope not...

Beto Kennedy has assured us that won't happen.

[RoadKingLarry]

I'm worried about Virginia.  Seems like we've got a bunch of people on both sides itching for bloodshed.  We've got a governor ready to institute confiscation, ready to call out the National Guard to enforce confiscation laws, and pretty much getting the cells ready for anyone who doesn't capitulate.  On the other hand I"m seeing more and more folks on line spouting "It's the boogaloo!  Load up!" 

So I worry that some 20 something year old kid in the Guard is going to walk up to some house, pound on the door like he was told to do, and order the home owner to open up.  Owner looks out, sees a soldier, complete with a plate carrier, and M4, and other soldiers with a Humvee in the street.  So owner grabs his plate carrier, his M4gery, and sends a group chat to his buddies that the redcoats are at the door.  Suddenly, a small group of Guardsmen at the house find themselves looking at a group of armed citizens.  Nervous people on both sides.  A lapse in trigger discipline, a car backfire, or one person on either side a little too eager to get a confirmed kill, and we've got a nightmare on our hands.

God, I hope not...

Those that ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Something very similar played out at Concord once upon a time.

[zxcvbob]

[snip]
So I worry that some 20 something year old kid in the Guard is going to walk up to some house, pound on the door like he was told to do, and order the home owner to open up.  Owner looks out, sees a soldier, complete with a plate carrier, and M4, and other soldiers with a Humvee in the street.  So owner grabs his plate carrier, his M4gery, and sends a group chat to his buddies that the redcoats are at the door.  Suddenly, a small group of Guardsmen at the house find themselves looking at a group of armed citizens.  Nervous people on both sides.  A lapse in trigger discipline, a car backfire, or one person on either side a little too eager to get a confirmed kill, and we've got a nightmare on our hands.

God, I hope not...

That 20 year old Guardsman did not order himself to do that, and the governor did not personally give him/her the order.  The order came down through a chain of command of officers and NCOs, where I would hope somebody with some age and sense would tell the governor "No" (but in more colorful terms)

[K Frame]

I suspect (hope?) that if the Governor were to mobilize the Virginia contingent of the National Guard to pull this crap that Trump would nationalize the guard and order them to stand down.