A Quest to Understand the Liberal View!

[MT GUNNY]

I'm looking for a Cheap book written by a True Liberal, To fully understand Why and What they Believe.

How do we know that are Political View are correct? I'm thinking Common Sense is the Key!

[Balog]

Rules for Radicals by Alynski. After the Ball by... shoot, a couple guys who's names I forget at the moment. One of the Rockefeller kids published a pretty up front book about his vision for a unified world .gov.

[charby]

Oil by Upton Sinclair

[makattak]

Oil by Upton Sinclair

Oh geez, Upton Sinclair. >.<

Oh how I detest his work.

[charby]

Oh geez, Upton Sinclair. >.<

Oh how I detest his work.

If you want to understand the modern liberal you have to read the works of the socialists before them.

[Monkeyleg]

I remember having to read Upton Sinclair in high school. I guess they were indoctrinating kids even in the 1960's.

[Balog]

I remember having to read Upton Sinclair in high school. I guess they were indoctrinating kids even in the 1960's.

Ever since that bastard Dewey, really.

[Perd Hapley]

Ever since that bastard Dewey, really.

Yeah, somewhere thereabouts. 

[roo_ster]

Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg.

Gives a good intellectual history of the left here in the US & the influences from over the pond.

Alinsky's RfR is a good resource from the lefty perspective that is more interested in action than ideas.

One prolem you will find is that many on the left don't know or care about their intellectual history & underpinnings.  So, there are relatively few resources from the left that examine such.

[Iain]

Easy. I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

[Balog]

Easy. I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

Should we assume you're being sarcastic?

[AZRedhawk44]

Nope, he's just quoting Jack Nicholson.

[Balog]

Nope, he's just quoting Jack Nicholson.

Oh? What movie?

[makattak]

Oh? What movie?

As Good As It Gets.

[MT GUNNY]

Oil by Upton Sinclair.

Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. :  Ive had  2 recommendations for this so far, one hear and one from Yahoo Answers


Rules for Radicals by Alynski

conscience of a liberal by Paul Krugman.

Ill give it a Few more days before I Make a decision. I recomend a good book from the other side, "Liberty and Tyranny" by Mark Levin!

[roo_ster]

Easy. I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

That was a chick movie I actually thought good on the merits.

Of course, as a transformational movie & comedy, it is fit only to buckle the shoes of Groundhog Day.

[makattak]

That was a chick movie I actually thought good on the merits.

Of course, as a transformational movie & comedy, it is fit only to buckle the shoes of Groundhog Day.

I love that movie. I watch it at least once a year.... can you guess when?

[Perd Hapley]

That was a chick movie I actually thought good on the merits. 

A movie so forgettable, I actually forgot all about that great line.

[RoadKingLarry]

Easy. I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

I was surprised to find that movie on my list of favorites.

If you want to understand modern liberals a good place to strt is Marx and Engle.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

I was extremely disappointed by Marx.  For having triggered one of the most evil social constructs mankind has ever known, the Communist Manifesto turned out to be a complete and utter waste.  Communism could get along just fine without ol' Karl ever having drawn breath.  Class envy and statism need no doctrines or manifestos.

[MicroBalrog]

I was extremely disappointed by Marx.  For having triggered one of the most evil social constructs mankind has ever known, the Communist Manifesto turned out to be a complete and utter waste.  Communism could get along just fine without ol' Karl ever having drawn breath.  Class envy and statism need no doctrines or manifestos.

1. Das Kapital is his real work.

2. It is said he didn't write most of the Manifesto himself.

[longeyes]

If you want to understand liberalism in America, talk to liberals, especially if they're friends of yours.  Then you can apply knowledge of them as people to what they profess to believe.  It should be illuminating on an existential level.  What we see around us has less to do with doctrinaire ideology and more with confused thinking, a worship of feelings, a cultural flight from responsibility, and a desire to be accepted and liked.

[slingshot]

Mark Levin's new book, Liberty and Tyranny may be a good place to start.  I just started reading it in the last couple of days.  Obviously he has to cover the liberal or statism side of things to present his points on conservativism and it's roots.

[Monkeyleg]

If you want to understand liberalism in America, talk to liberals, especially if they're friends of yours.

I have plenty of liberal friends, and I've done just that. What I've found is a lack of logic, and all to often a very shallow knowledge of the issues. Their news comes from ABC, CBS and NBC, and that's it.

One things that's common to almost every last one is the objection to religion, or at least Christian conservatives. The whole "separation of church and state" issue, which they can't seem to admit does not exist in the Constitution.

Beyond that, their support of liberal policies is often based upon "the other guy." For example, they'll say that they have no problem with me owning all sorts of guns, but what about the other guy who might be a nut? They think it would be good to privatize Social Security, but what about the other guy who blows all of his SS money at a casino? They seem to dwell on a lot of hypotheticals that may not happen or have a remote chance of happening.

[RocketMan]

They seem to dwell on a lot of hypotheticals that may not happen or have a remote chance of happening.

They seem to dwell on a lot of hypotheticals that, if they do happen, are none of their damn business.