NTSB releases findings on 747 Bagram crash

[Balog]

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/NTSB-Loose-Cargo-Caused-Fatal-747-Crash-224426-1.html

https://youtu.be/BN3waJIc574

That video still gets me every time I see it.

[roo_ster]

First time I saw that video.

It screamed out "COG out of whack!" to me, but the report also cites, in addition to COG shift, damage to hydraulics and H-stab.

FTR, I am the paranoid guy who ties down loads so securely that my wife and FIL usually just cut my lines when she arrives with a load of something or other in the truck.  Whatever.  It really is not that bad if you use my quick-release knots.  In any case, I am going to make damn good and sure stuff is secured against any reasonable eventuality, save maybe high-speed collision.

[makattak]

That's just freaky watching that. Frightening, even, being reminded of all that can go wrong.

FTR, I am the paranoid guy who ties down loads so securely that my wife and FIL usually just cut my lines when she arrives with a load of something or other in the truck.  Whatever.  It really is not that bad if you use my quick-release knots.  In any case, I am going to make damn good and sure stuff is secured against any reasonable eventuality, save maybe high-speed collision.

Man after my own heart.

[41magsnub]

First time I saw that video.

It screamed out "COG out of whack!" to me, but the report also cites, in addition to COG shift, damage to hydraulics and H-stab.

FTR, I am the paranoid guy who ties down loads so securely that my wife and FIL usually just cut my lines when she arrives with a load of something or other in the truck.  Whatever.  It really is not that bad if you use my quick-release knots.  In any case, I am going to make damn good and sure stuff is secured against any reasonable eventuality, save maybe high-speed collision.

Me too, but I have a ginormous bag of NRS straps for that purpose so nobody has to cut anything.

[Northwoods]

Friend of mine that works for Boeing worked on that investigation.  The MRAP's (or whatever they were) that broke loose were not supposed to be airlifted by the 747 at all.  The ones that broke loose actually did so around or before rotation based on debris found in the runway.  They were *expletive deleted*ed before they even got their wheels off the ground.

[Chuck Dye]

...In any case, I am going to make damn good and sure stuff is secured against any reasonable eventuality, save maybe high-speed collision.

Cargo straps, chains, or ropes still in the side box are not helpfull when things go rodeo.  The only good thing to be said about my major crash is that unloading the trailer was a routine matter of unstrapping and forklifting the cargo as usual.

[BobR]

Being responsible for the weight and balance on P3s for many years as the Flight Engineer and later on the C2 has made super paranoid about securing loads. There is at least one video on utubes of a C2 taking a cat shot and the cargo shifting aft. It ended the same as the 747.  :(


bob

[Scout26]

Always my biggest fear when doing W&B on DC-8's and 9's for Airborne Express.   There really is nothing that quite chills the bones then plugging in all the container weights and getting "FATAL ERROR" on the calculator read-out.   I was also super-paranoid about making sure every container was locked in place.

And when I first saw that video, I knew instantly that the cargo had shifted aft, and then it's just a cascade of disaster. 

[RocketMan]

Being responsible for the weight and balance on P3s for many years as the Flight Engineer and later on the C2 has made super paranoid about securing loads. There is at least one video on utubes of a C2 taking a cat shot and the cargo shifting aft. It ended the same as the 747.  :(

bob

Here's the C2 cat shot.  Tragic.