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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Viking on January 07, 2015, 07:56:34 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/08/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-paris-shooting.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&_r=1
Two masked men carrying AK47s entered the offices of Charlie Hebdo, a satirical newspaper previously attacked for publishing the Mohammed cartoons. Atleast 12 people are reported dead.
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2 of the dead are police officers, the remaining seems to be journalists and cartoonists. According to the Wikipedia page, citing BBC, the attackers shouted "We have avenged the prophet", but I can't find any mention of that on the linked BBC page. Hmmm.
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10 people suffered non-fatal injuries.
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Sounds like multicultural chickens coming home to roost.
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http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo/video-des-images-de-l-attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_790543.html
Pretty loud gunshots in the video, but you don't need to speak French to know what to listen for.
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http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed/
Livefeed from France24 in English.
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Apparently they targeted specific cartoonists.
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Good thing France has strong gun laws, somebody might have been hurt.
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The paper published Mohamed cartoons in 2009 ans 2012. This is now 2015.
It is amazing how quickly the practitioners of the Religion of Peace can gear up and strike for revenge of insults to their Prophet. Not.
stay safe.
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The paper published Mohamed cartoons in 2009 ans 2012. This is now 2015.
It is amazing how quickly the practitioners of the Religion of Peace can gear up and strike for revenge of insults to their Prophet. Not.
stay safe.
Their offices got firebombed previously.
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This Mohammed fellow is terribly thin-skinned, I fear.
I once siad, on this forum, that we should avoid frivolously offending Muslims, with Mohammed cartoons. It is not, however, frivolous for us to exercise our freedoms in protest, and show the sickos that we'll not be cowed.
I'm on my phone right now. Can someone with a real computer post some Mohammed-mocking cartoons for me?
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This Mohammed fellow is terribly thin-skinned, I fear.
I once siad, on this forum, that we should avoid frivolously offending Muslims, with Mohammed cartoons. It is not, however, frivolous for us to exercise our freedoms in protest, and show the sickos that we'll not be cowed.
I'm on my phone right now. Can someone with a real computer post some Mohammed-mocking cartoons for me?
How about a link?
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/recent/
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Shot and killed one officer as he laid injured, begging for his life. Guess the officer was somehow unarmed or wouldn't fight back.
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Tamara, as she so often does, linked to a fiercely trenchant observation: http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2015/01/outstanding.html (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2015/01/outstanding.html)
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Read elsewhere that according to one French newspaper, the terrorists are identified by the police.
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Lightly answered the Colonel's son:--``Do good to bird and beast,
But count who come for the broken meats before thou makest a feast.
If there should follow a thousand swords to carry my bones away,
Belike the price of a jackal's meal were more than a thief could pay.
They will feed their horse on the standing crop, their men on the garnered grain,
The thatch of the byres will serve their fires when all the cattle are slain.
But if thou thinkest the price be fair,--thy brethren wait to sup,
The hound is kin to the jackal-spawn,--howl, dog, and call them up!
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WWCMD?
what would Charles Martel do?
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Shot and killed one officer as he laid injured, begging for his life. Guess the officer was somehow unarmed or wouldn't fight back.
That was a bicycle cop. Apparently, in Paris, the bike cops are set up similarly to the police in the UK. I.E., not really armed.
They have to call for armed back up. :facepalm:
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I've seen claims that one of the suspects had previously been detained by US forces in Iraq, and was previously known by the French authorities for recruiting jihadis to fight in Iraq.
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Has Obama expressed condolences to France for their episode of workplace violence today?
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Has Obama expressed condolences to France for their episode of workplace violence today?
Dirty such and such, beat me to that one.
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This Mohammed fellow is terribly thin-skinned, I fear.
I once siad, on this forum, that we should avoid frivolously offending Muslims, with Mohammed cartoons. It is not, however, frivolous for us to exercise our freedoms in protest, and show the sickos that we'll not be cowed.
I'm on my phone right now. Can someone with a real computer post some Mohammed-mocking cartoons for me?
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/comic/mohammed-odalisque-bacon-boy/ (http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/comic/mohammed-odalisque-bacon-boy/)
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Reports circulating that one of the three suspects has surrendered:
http://kron4.com/2015/01/07/at-least-eleven-killed-in-attack-on-french-newspaper/
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Tell me again the dire need being filled in the usa and western countries by immigrants from muslim countries?
No more immigrants from muslim countries. And those already here back to the dung heaps they came from.
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Can't recall where I heard or read it, but it seems to fit:
"This is what diversity looks like."
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Can't recall where I heard or read it, but it seems to fit:
"This is what diversity looks like."
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/01/this-is-what-diversity-looks-like.html
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http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/01/this-is-what-diversity-looks-like.html
Anders Brevik is leading the charge to kick Muslims out of Europe eh?
Ironic that a terrorist who killed many more people than these nut jobs in France can become a hero because he was targeting the right religion/race/whatever cause.
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Anders Brevik is leading the charge to kick Muslims out of Europe eh?
Ironic that a terrorist who killed many more people than these nut jobs in France can become a hero because he was targeting the right religion/race/whatever cause.
Just to be clear, I was responding to roo_ster's comment. No support of Brevik's beliefs or actions was implied.
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http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/01/this-is-what-diversity-looks-like.html
Nah, that wasn't it. IIRC, it was some Chicago cop blog a while back about how when the high schools let out, the gang riots start. But none dare call them riots in official CPD communications. Glories of diversity and all that.
Anders Brevik is leading the charge to kick Muslims out of Europe eh?
Ironic that a terrorist who killed many more people than these nut jobs in France can become a hero because he was targeting the right religion/race/whatever cause.
Well, that sort of does get to the heart of it. "Who? Whom?" as Lenin put it. Who does what to whom? Will it be Muslims slaughtering Westerners in Western countries or will it be Westerners slaughtering Muslims in Western countries? The Muslims are beginning to force the matter. We ought not be surprised when many in the West decide if there is to be some slaughtering done, best to be the slaughter-er than the slaughter-ee.
The only middle way looks to be a bar on immigration of Muslims into the West and repatriation of Muslims to their country of origin. The oikophobic Establishment is doing its best to pack the savages into the West. Keep it up and it will turn ugly. Here & there at first, then a more general movement as seen in recent European elections. If the Establishment makes it illegal to change policy peacefully, expect non-peaceful means to become common.
The Breivik deal was one of those "Allies bomb Hitler Youth Camp in Alsace-Lorraine" sorts of things, given the political leanings and origins of Breivik's targets.
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Heck brevik's kinda confusing. The Lutheran zionist? I just labeled his faith as schizo to keep it simple.
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Nah, that wasn't it. IIRC, it was some Chicago cop blog a while back about how when the high schools let out, the gang riots start. But none dare call them riots in official CPD communications. Glories of diversity and all that.
Well, that sort of does get to the heart of it. "Who? Whom?" as Lenin put it. Who does what to whom? Will it be Muslims slaughtering Westerners in Western countries or will it be Westerners slaughtering Muslims in Western countries? The Muslims are beginning to force the matter. We ought not be surprised when many in the West decide if there is to be some slaughtering done, best to be the slaughter-er than the slaughter-ee.
The only middle way looks to be a bar on immigration of Muslims into the West and repatriation of Muslims to their country of origin. The oikophobic Establishment is doing its best to pack the savages into the West. Keep it up and it will turn ugly. Here & there at first, then a more general movement as seen in recent European elections. If the Establishment makes it illegal to change policy peacefully, expect non-peaceful means to become common.
The Breivik deal was one of those "Allies bomb Hitler Youth Camp in Alsace-Lorraine" sorts of things, given the political leanings and origins of Breivik's targets.
Regarding the middle ground. Cant find an article now, but there's a HUGE push in some euro country to do just that. THey've already basically closed down immigration from muslim countries. Lemme see if i can find it
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Heck brevik's kinda confusing. The Lutheran zionist? I just labeled his faith as schizo to keep it simple.
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Indeed.
Yeah, what I can recall from reading a bit of his manifesto back when he killed those folks was that he was the sort of person who didn't believe in God...but thought it a good idea if his neighbors did. Dude went on all over the map and I quickly lost interest after sussing out his motives.
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I had a pair of sjw try to hold him up as an example of a Christian terrorist school killer after I pointed to the school massacres the Muslims own.
Another friend did point out that the unarmed cop who went towards the shooting and died was a brave man. And a Muslim family man
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How would restricting immigration work on people who are citizens because France decided to colonise and annex another country?
It seems that most of the Muslim mouth frothing is driven by western immigration into their countries, not the other way around.
Could Europe and the US sustain their economies without emigration to Muslims countries? If we insist on them allowing us to go there, it seems a bit odd to demand they not come here.
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And which Muslim countries have this "open door" immigration policy?? Saudi Arabia? Iraq? Libya? Iran? Afghanistan?
Seriously, do you even read what post or is all simply knee-jerk reaction?
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Certain Muslim countries are attracting small numbers of Westerners to extremely high-paying jobs. Seems to me that those jobs pay so well because 1) they are located in places where westerners are unwelcome, 2) Westerners have a higher than normal expectation of being killed in a drawn-out painful manner or kidnapped and held in extremely primative conditions, and/or 3) the jobs offered are "ideal" for do-gooders or those looking for opportunities to siphon off a bit of the in-flow of funds (often one and the same person) without having the stigma f being a UN hireling.
The West, on the oter hand, offers flush toilets and a society that generally does not go around lopping off body parts for minor/moderate indiscretions. Coupled with the welfare/housing benefit, I see no wonder why there is immigration. Additionally, immigrants can create their own slums and by sheer overwhelming numbers and a refusal to integrate intothe main body of society, thus establishing little versions of their home country.
Mexico, for example, does not have a problem because there is nothing for the immigrant except a hard time. Is the UN screaming at Mexico to open up its borders and start giving away welfare?
stay safe.
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And which Muslim countries have this "open door" immigration policy?? Saudi Arabia? Iraq? Libya? Iran? Afghanistan?
Seriously, do you even read what post or is all simply knee-jerk reaction?
Seriously, look at the examples you posted - only one of those countries had a choice about westerners going there. It's not knee jerk to observe the obvious, which is that all of those countries save one either have US troops propping up a dictatorship, had large US invasion forces, or both. Or am I wrong about that?
Do you think Saudi, Iraq, Libya and Afghansitan got to put the presence of US troops to a decision?
Then there's the more relevant point, which is that these two suspects in Paris are likely French citizens solely because France colonised North Africa and demanded that the natives join their country (and raped/tortured/killed anyone who disagreed) - but hey, it's the Muslims going to France that caused all this right!
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Seriously, look at the examples you posted - only one of those countries had a choice about westerners going there. It's not knee jerk to observe the obvious, which is that all of those countries save one either have US troops propping up a dictatorship, had large US invasion forces, or both. Or am I wrong about that?
Do you think Saudi, Iraq, Libya and Afghansitan got to put the presence of US troops to a decision?
Then there's the more relevant point, which is that these two suspects in Paris are likely French citizens solely because France colonised North Africa and demanded that the natives join their country (and raped/tortured/killed anyone who disagreed) - but hey, it's the Muslims going to France that caused all this right!
US Troops =/= Immigration. ;/ ;/
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De Selby has a point in so far as the west has gone into third world hell holes searching for resources.
Third world hell holes don't generally have very high functioning governments so we help them along by supporting or propping up a government that will help us utilize their resources.
We are still sending missionaries and civilizing the world, it's just that we've stripped God and Christianity out of our missions projects and replaced them with NGO's and Democracy. Of course our form of Democracy generally includes a big dose of crony capitalism and neo fascist arrangements between industry and government.
The middle east and Africa to a large degree have failed at civilization. They haven't learned from their past failures and adapted.
edited to add: Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge proponent of the superiority of western civilization. Just because we're the best game in town doesn't mean we can't have an honest assessment of how we got here and where we're going.
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As bad as our govt is, it often better or at least no worse than the govt that is already in existence in 3rd world countries. Also, the countries generally profit very well from selling those resources and many have seized the assets that our companies built in those countries to extract the resources. I would say that European countries have a much harsher colonial history than we do, though we are no angels; neither are the victims.
3rd world countries are often 3rd world because of the culture and leadership more than the geographic location or conditions.
It seems to me that countries hiring Westerners like Saudi Arabia are doing so to build more infrastructure within their own countries to increase their profits and they don't have the local expertise. I think Saudi has lots of other cultural issues that force them to hire westerners. A guy that worked for us a year ago left to go overseas to Saudi. They were building a huge chemical refinery complex and were recruiting people to come and live in the complex with families.
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Hmm, it sounds as though I should not follow up on those occasional inquiries to go do risk management at hospitals in Saudi Arabia and Dubai.
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How would restricting immigration work on people who are citizens because France decided to colonise and annex another country?
"Run, be free of the chains of colonialism! You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."
IIRC, the French gave the countries back, usually with improvements like road systems, universities, working plumbing in the major cities.
It seems that most of the Muslim mouth frothing is driven by western immigration into their countries, not the other way around.
Yeah, not so much. There would first have to be immigrants from the West becoming permanent residents in Muslim countries. Not happening under most muslim countries' laws and the absolute number of Westerners (who have roots in the West) who want to do so are minuscule.
Could Europe and the US sustain their economies without emigration to Muslims countries? If we insist on them allowing us to go there, it seems a bit odd to demand they not come here.
We need zero immigrants from Muslim countries. That goes for America, certainly, and also for the rest of the West. Most muslim immigrants are net drains on the economy, what with the high level of welfare and other gov't services. Many of the well-educated muslims who are not a net drain are taking slots that would be filled by Americans in Med school, undergrad programs in engineering, etc. Universities like foreigners who pay full retail for their American education.
The Establishment had no business inviting an immiscible and hostile population into decent countries. The sooner they repatriate, the better.
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Seriously, look at the examples you posted - only one of those countries had a choice about westerners going there. It's not knee jerk to observe the obvious, which is that all of those countries save one either have US troops propping up a dictatorship, had large US invasion forces, or both. Or am I wrong about that?
Are you saying they wouldn't spread violence throughout the world absent US troops in the middle east? Seriously?
These people have been a problem for the rest of the world a lot longer than the US has been sending troops to the middle east. They were spreading violence long before the US even existed. Long before European colonialism was a thing.
We aren't to blame for their violence. They are.
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We need zero immigrants from Muslim countries The African continent and central Asia. That goes for America, certainly, and also for the rest of the West. Most muslim immigrants are net drains on the economy, what with the high level of welfare and other gov't services. Many of the well-educated muslims who are not a net drain are taking slots that would be filled by Americans in Med school, undergrad programs in engineering, etc. Universities like foreigners who pay full retail for their American education.
Fixed it for you.
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Are you saying they wouldn't spread violence throughout the world absent US troops in the middle east? Seriously?
These people have been a problem for the rest of the world a lot longer than the US has been sending troops to the middle east. They were spreading violence long before the US even existed. Long before European colonialism was a thing.
We aren't to blame for their violence. They are.
And they were a problem for the very young United states, even while the founders were still alive, such as the Barbary Pirates, the formation of the USMC, the whole "Shores of Tripoli" thing in the song...
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It's done.
GIGN took those bastards out this morning.
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It's done.
GIGN took those bastards out this morning.
Good!
Sic semper terroris.
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Here's video of the deli ending. The guy rushing the door was the the jihadi
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=869_1420833044
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I think it would get ugly here in the states if this sort of stuff started happening with any frequency here.
The Muslim community in the states got a pass after 9/11 and the sporadic events that occurred thereafter. Rightly so.
They might be faced with making some decisions regarding their allegiances that they aren't being forced to make in other countries if acts of terror start happening regularly.
A part of me thinks the reason this kind of stuff or worse hasn't happened already is because most of our Muslim citizens have already chosen; to be Americans who can be Muslim without interference.
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I think you are right ron. I think the onus is on them to be a bit self policing. If their young ones get hinky they need to handle it. Either internally or by snitching. I don't see that happening though
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After the Paris attacks now we're hearing more "reports" of threats and "sleeper cells" in the USA( and lions and tigers and bears, oh my).
I can't wait to see this round of " we have to do something".
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After the Paris attacks now we're hearing more "reports" of threats and "sleeper cells" in the USA( and lions and tigers and bears, oh my).
I can't wait to see this round of " we have to do something".
It will involve the US Gov't restricting American citizens' liberty and increasing the surveillance on American citizens. Absofreakinglutely nothing will be done to restrict entry by Muslims or repatriating Muslims already here.
Anyone willing to bet otherwise?
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Not me
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I think you are right ron. I think the onus is on them to be a bit self policing. If their young ones get hinky they need to handle it. Either internally or by snitching. I don't see that happening though
They really need to pay attention to which Madrasas their youths are listening to. Go after the firebrand preachers and they'll do two things:
1. Choke off the flow of new idealistic extremists willing to fight/die for the cause
2. Perhaps more importantly, choke off the flow of money.
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I was thinking a more active approach. Something with an ira type action wing
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