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« on: May 09, 2006, 09:20:28 AM »
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Neighborhood in L.A. tries to halt porn movie shooting

Claire Hoffman, Los Angeles Times

Sunday, May 7, 2006
 
Los Angeles -- On Easter Sunday, inside the million-dollar houses on a quiet cul-de-sac in Encino, the neighborhood kids delighted in what the Easter Bunny had brought.

Then, about 10 a.m., the porn stars showed up.

Helaine Gesas, who has lived on Hayvenhurst Avenue for 38 years, was cooking when she noticed men hauling cameras and lights into the two-story house across the street.

Neighbor Kerry Cohen, a paralegal and mother, was on her way to organize a charity event. As she squeezed past several large production trucks, Cohen saw scantily clad women heading toward the same house.

As far as John R. Johnson was concerned, "that was the end of Easter Sunday."

Johnson, another neighbor, told his 9-year-old daughter to stay inside while what he described as a "prison-yard break" -- a large film crew, many of its members covered in tattoos -- entered the house in the 3600 block of Hayvenhurst.

Outraged, Johnson called the city seeking to halt the porn shoot. But everything, he was told, was perfectly legal.

In any given year, about 3,900 adult films are shot in Los Angeles, according to industry estimates. As with any other shoot, those films obtain permits from the city. But the city doesn't restrict the content of the projects it approves.

Which means that if your neighbor decides, as Johnson's did, to rent out his house for the filming of "The Alphabet" -- in which sexual acts are performed in alphabetical order by 21-year-old identical twins -- there's not much you can do to stop him.

Many in L.A. have endured film shoots in their neighborhoods and know about traffic congestion and sidewalks swarming with production crews. But along with the hassle often comes a little cachet -- if you lived in a dump, chances are they wouldn't be shooting a romantic comedy or a luxury-car commercial next door.

When the call sheet calls for orgiastic sex, cachet isn't what the neighbors talk about. Morality, their children's safety, property values are the topics on many people's minds.

The tale of the Hayvenhurst cul-de-sac, where several adult productions have been shooting almost nonstop for two weeks (and were booked to continue through May 1), pulls back the curtain on how one of the region's most thriving industries -- pornography -- coexists with the city.

A week before Easter Sunday, neighborhood residents received a flyer notifying them that there would be filming down the street in the coming days. Johnson, who works at home as an advertising consultant, said he didn't think much of it.

But soon after the crews started arriving two weeks ago, Johnson's wife called the number on the flyer to find out more about the company. She was told it was Califa Productions, which shoots films for Vivid Entertainment Group, one of the world's largest purveyors of hard-core porn.

The next day, after Johnson barraged city officials with e-mail and phone calls, he was told the production was legal: Califa had been issued the proper permit.

"As far as content, we don't have any authority to go in and do anything unless there's an impact on the neighborhood," said Steve MacDonald, president of Film L.A., the city agency that authorized almost 55,000 individual days of shooting in 2005 -- with fewer than 3,000 of those, he said, devoted to porn. (City officials believe many porn films don't obtain the required permits.)

MacDonald and his staff said that because of the free-speech provision of the First Amendment, they do not discriminate against adult film producers as long as they abide by the conditions of their permit.

Permits for porn films are the same as for any other shoot in terms of parking and street activity, but different in that interiors and exteriors must not be audible or visible to the public.

The Hayvenhurst residents say they're all for creative freedom. The neighbors concede they didn't actually see any nudity or obscene activity, but the mere idea that it was going on bothered them. To all but those getting paid $1,750 a day by Califa Productions, what was happening on the street at holiday time just didn't seem right.

"I was stunned that whoever issues permits for this would be that insensitive," Johnson said. "If they had been shooting a 'West Wing' episode that day, I wouldn't have had the same reaction."

As it turned out, Easter was just the beginning.

Not 24 hours after the Califa trucks drove off, a new crew arrived. This time it was Playboy Entertainment Group, working on a reality television show. The Playboy shoot went through the end of the week, with dozens of trucks entering and exiting the cul-de-sac.

Last Monday yet another company arrived, PW Productions -- to shoot explicit DVD and video cover art for a series of porn films.

Residents circulated a petition that alleged the filming has "introduced unsavory and undesirable elements" into their neighborhood. Twenty-two residents signed.

Regulations require certification of ownership to rent out a home as a film location. According to property records, the house -- a 15-year-old, four-bedroom, five-bath, 5,000-square-foot, stone-and-brick traditional -- sold last year for $1.65 million to Hamid Banafsheha.

When reached by phone, Banafsheha -- a 40-year-old electric supply warehouse owner -- said he had just found out about the filming from neighbors. Banafsheha said he had rented the home to a couple with two infant daughters.

"I'm sorry for all the neighbors," he said, adding that he had told his tenants to cease and desist.

A woman who answered the phone at the film site last week and identified herself as tenant Odelia Bustenay did offer a response to the neighbors' concerns before hanging up.

"Everything we do here is legal," she said. "We got permits for everything. If they are upset then they are nosy."

Steven Hirsch, the co-founder of Vivid, which distributes 60 films a year, said adult productions make some people uneasy. That makes Vivid crews more careful.

"We are cognizant that the neighbors are around when we shoot," he said. "We are quiet, and we don't bring a lot of equipment. There aren't people running around naked, and you can't look through the fence in the backyard and see what we are doing."

Hirsch added that the reason this particular house has attracted so many productions is that it's cheap. Many houses charge upward of $5,000 per day, or almost three times what Banafsheha's tenants were getting.

Brooke, 22, a tall, skinny blonde who got rid of her last name long ago, costarred alongside the twins -- Lacey and Lyndsey Love -- in Vivid's "The Alphabet" and doesn't understand why residents got so worked up.

"I'm a human being, and I don't see what the big deal is," she said. "The person in the next house should get a life, because we're shooting inside and it doesn't harm them. It was just a normal day. I did what I had to do and went home and had dinner with my family."

Meanwhile, Film L.A. staffers said that in the wake of the petition, they have flagged the home as overused, with too many productions shot there in too short a time. They do not plan to issue any more permits for the time being.

Larry Flynt Productions, due to shoot at the house, has canceled. The neighborhood opposition, the company told the city, had ruined the mood.

Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/07/BAG3SIK3KH1.DTL
I can see how the neighbors would be irked if all the parking is consumed by the film crews, and continual use of a residence for a commercial venture (which filming is) may violate zoning or HOA regs.  But I don't see an issue of filming on Easter.  It IS a holiday to celebrates rebirth and new life, right?
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2006, 09:33:46 AM »
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It IS a holiday to celebrates rebirth and new life, right?
Somehow I think the phrases like "Pound me harder!" or some such goes against this principle but hey, who am I to say anything.

Oh, and BTW, THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT PICTURES.

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2006, 11:59:02 AM »
"The neighbors concede they didn't actually see any nudity or obscene activity, but the mere idea that it was going on bothered them."

Sigh ...........  Sad
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2006, 12:20:26 PM »
Uhm...

Maybe because there are a lot of fat, ugly people in your neighborhood? Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2006, 01:14:41 PM »
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The neighbors concede they didn't actually see any nudity or obscene activity, but the mere idea that it was going on bothered them
What's that line about a liberal is worried that someone somewhere might be having fun.
Geez, you don't want it, go buy the house, unbelievable.

Oh yeah, how does a paralegal afford a million dollar home?  (the first lady quoted in the article.)
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2006, 01:36:35 PM »
You mean there are people that don't want porn filmed next door?
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2006, 01:58:21 PM »
Send 'em over here! I'll even deliver coffee!

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2006, 02:20:28 PM »
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Maybe because there are a lot of fat, ugly people in your neighborhood?
He lives near Ron Jeremy?

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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2006, 04:00:45 PM »
I seized on the same line:

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The neighbors concede they didn't actually see any nudity or obscene activity, but the mere idea that it was going on bothered them.
IOW, no excuse whatever to be bitching about it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2006, 04:16:40 PM »
There is a discreet white supremacist newsletter headquartered down the street from me.  The name on the outside of the building is Smith Publishing, with no additional signs or other provocative stuff on the outside.  They send it to people on their mailing list in a brown paper wrapper, with an unremarkable name.

So, I don't mind at all they are there, and would never dream of complaining, even when I see skinheads in the parking lot.

Insert rolling eyes smiley.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2006, 04:54:08 PM »
Let's see... A is for...

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2006, 06:59:52 PM »
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Oh, and BTW, THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT PICTURES.
This is the only one that is forum safe Wink


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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2006, 07:43:20 AM »
You know when you got folks having sex and getting paid to do it isn't that prostitution. Why didn't the neighbors just call the cops and have 'em busted for that?

That said as long as the crews didn't make a nuisance of themselves by tresspassing and the actors didn't parade around strutting their stuff in a manner designed to titillate what's the big deal.

I am surprised though that mister Irwin who gets upset by pickup trucks across the street isn't at all bothered by Porn Film makers in the neighborhood.
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2006, 07:59:41 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2006, 08:51:01 AM »
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You know when you got folks having sex and getting paid to do it isn't that prostitution. Why didn't the neighbors just call the cops and have 'em busted for that?
Do you expect that to happen?  I would like to know what the legal difference is, though.  The only difference I can think of is that the money to be made by selling one sex act on video a thousand times dwarfs the money to be made from selling a sex act in person one customer at a time.  And money can buy political influence.
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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2006, 09:23:37 AM »
"I am surprised though that mister Irwin who gets upset by pickup trucks across the street isn't at all bothered by Porn Film makers in the neighborhood."

OK, please show me exactly where I ever said that I was upset by a pick up truck across the street.

Hint for you...

Where I live, there ISN'T an across the street.

Care to retract that?  

Oh, and if there were porn film makers in my neighborhood? They would (hopefully) be filming inside of a house. What goes on inside of the houses in my neighborhood is of no concern to me.

If they were filming on commons property, there are county and state laws to cover that kind of activity, so that doesn't bother me either.

So there you have it.
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2006, 10:32:48 AM »
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You know when you got folks having sex and getting paid to do it isn't that prostitution. Why didn't the neighbors just call the cops and have 'em busted for that?
Those ... "actresses" aren't technically getting paid for having sex, they're getting paid for ... "acting".  The script simply calls for explicit sex and the directors aren't particularly interested in acting skills.  Plus they're not being paid by the guy, they're being paid by the studio.  The difference is minor enough that there are an awful lot of places around the country where paying "actors" and "actresses" to have sex is considered prostitution.  California is the only state in America (as far as I know) which explicitly ('scuse me) allows for it, which is why most porn is made there.

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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2006, 03:08:58 PM »
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"I am surprised though that mister Irwin who gets upset by pickup trucks across the street isn't at all bothered by Porn Film makers in the neighborhood."

OK, please show me exactly where I ever said that I was upset by a pick up truck across the street.
]Well if it wasn't Mr Irwin complaining in that long thread a while back about a pickup truck across the street or some woman with a trashy house who wouldn't pay her association dues then I apologize.

Someone here did complain about a pickup across the street and how it made the neighborhood trashy. Anyone remember that thread?

EDIT: Did a search - found the guy who complained about the pickup on the lawn across the street - it definitely warn't Mr. Irwin so I definitely apologize...
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2006, 05:25:01 PM »
I believe you refer to El Tejon.  

BTW, my first post in this thread was fictitious, and only there to make a point.
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2006, 06:34:47 PM »
"I was stunned that whoever issues permits for this would be that insensitive," Johnson said. "If they had been shooting a 'West Wing' episode that day, I wouldn't have had the same reaction."

Not just NIMBYs, but high-minded liberal NIMBYs. *sigh*
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2006, 06:40:05 PM »
What's a NIMBY?
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2006, 06:44:50 PM »
Not In My Back Yard
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2006, 06:48:03 PM »
Okay, thanks.
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