Author Topic: St. Patrick was an Englishman (Read 2922 times)

Perd Hapley · « **on:** March 17, 2011, 07:27:55 AM »

Sorry, but it's true.

Devonai · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:33:35 AM »

In honor of that fact, tonight I will drink tepid ale and eat terrible, textureless food.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:56:48 AM »

I need a Union Jack flag shirt to wear on St. Patrick's Days.

lee n. field · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:59:38 AM »

Quote from: Fistful on March 17, 2011, 07:27:55 AM

Sorry, but it's true.

Yes, he was. Or at least whatever sort of Brit would have been around at the time to have been kidnapped off the west coast into Irish slavery.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2011, 09:08:09 AM »

Quote from: lee n. field on March 17, 2011, 07:59:38 AM

Yes, he was. Or at least whatever sort of Brit would have been around at the time to have been kidnapped off the west coast into Irish slavery.

True. "Englishman" is an anachronism in the fifth century.

De Selby · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2011, 09:15:15 AM »

It's a Roman name

Tallpine · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:54:57 AM »

"Patrick" would have been an ancestor of what we call Welsh today - the Welsh being pretty much the remnant of the native Brythonic population after the Angles and Saxons moved in.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2011, 05:08:54 PM »

Quote from: Tallpine on March 17, 2011, 10:54:57 AM

"Patrick" would have been an ancestor of what we call Welsh today - the Welsh being pretty much the remnant of the native Brythonic population after the Angles and Saxons moved in.

Is that based on anything in particular, or just a guess?

seeker_two · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2011, 05:21:20 PM »

Quote from: Fistful on March 17, 2011, 07:56:48 AM

I need a Union Jack flag shirt to wear on St. Patrick's Days.

No need...any orange shirt will do....

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2011, 05:29:10 PM »

Quote from: seeker_two on March 17, 2011, 05:21:20 PM

No need...any orange shirt will do....

. . . over Kevlar.

seeker_two · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2011, 05:53:25 PM »

Quote from: Angel Eyes on March 17, 2011, 05:29:10 PM

. . . over Kevlar.

Shhhhhh!!!!.....you'll spoil the plan....

BlueStarLizzard · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2011, 06:15:01 PM »

Quote from: Tallpine on March 17, 2011, 10:54:57 AM

"Patrick" would have been an ancestor of what we call Welsh today - the Welsh being pretty much the remnant of the native Brythonic population after the Angles and Saxons moved in.

nope, wiki says Roman father and mother with connctions to the Gauls.

sanglant · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2011, 06:17:58 PM »

"wiki says", wiki is only a valid source on redeye.

PTK · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2011, 06:21:33 PM »

Quote from: bluestarlizzard on March 17, 2011, 06:15:01 PM

nope, wiki says Roman father and mother with connctions to the Gauls.

You get an F for using that as a historical source. It works much better for modern data, but still is quite fallible.

Anyway, I'll get to the bottom of this mystery.

After food.

And beer.

BlueStarLizzard · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2011, 06:53:39 PM »

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 17, 2011, 06:54:43 PM »

I'm thinking "black and tan" would be good colors to wear to an Irish pub on St Pat's.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:36:01 PM »

I'm not going to any Irish pubs tonight, but I will be wearing my Liverpool t-shirt. It's the most Englishy (or Welshy) thing I have.

Tallpine · « **Reply #17 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:39:37 PM »

Quote from: Fistful on March 17, 2011, 05:08:54 PM

Is that based on anything in particular, or just a guess?

Based on a lot of research on that general time period for a book I was writing.

And... assuming Paddy was a native Britain. I guess he could be an alien from another galaxy and just happened to get dropped off in time to be captured by Eireanach pirates

dogmush · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2011, 08:04:30 PM »

Roman born in Briton.

Quote from: www.irelandnow.com

Saint Patrick, The Apostle of Ireland, was born at what is now Kilpatrick, near Dumbarton, in Scotland, in the year 387; died at Saul, Downpatrick, Ireland, 17 March, 493. At the time of his birth it was known at Briton and ruled by Rome. His parents were Calphurnius and Conchessa. The language of the time was latin and his given name was Patricus. His father belonged to a Roman family of high rank and held the office of decurio in Briton. Conchessa was a near relative of the great patron of Gaul, St. Martin of Tours. Kilpatrick still retains many memorials of Saint Patrick, and frequent pilgrimages continued far into the Middle Ages to perpetuate there the fame of his sanctity and miracles

History of St. Patrick

BlueStarLizzard · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2011, 08:27:19 PM »

Quote from: dogmush on March 17, 2011, 08:04:30 PM

Roman born in Briton.
History of St. Patrick

Ha!

PTK · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2011, 08:38:59 PM »

Quote from: bluestarlizzard on March 17, 2011, 06:53:39 PM

I was kidding, relax.

Quote from: dogmush on March 17, 2011, 08:04:30 PM

Roman born in Briton.
History of St. Patrick

I'm glad I didn't need to stop drinking to do any research. Back to beer and food.

Scout26 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2011, 09:10:30 PM »

So he was Scottish ?

gunsmith · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2011, 09:15:09 PM »

afaik st Patrick was a Roman BTW Manchester United is immensely popular in the Republic of Ireland

cambeul41 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2011, 09:54:56 PM »

Every year at this time I promise myself that I will buy something orange to wear, the I forget.

However the suggestion that

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"black and tan" would be good colors to wear

sounds good to me; I already have black and tan.

French G. · « **Reply #24 on:** March 17, 2011, 09:59:51 PM »

Don't wear that, and if it's any kind of real Irish bar play it safe and ask for a half and half. Or just drink the damn Guinness and stop trying to be cute.

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Author Topic: St. Patrick was an Englishman (Read 2922 times)