I. Just. Don't. _______. Care.

[De Selby]

Um, Muslim isn't a race.  Obama doesn't "look like a Muslim" (which is to say, he doesn't resemble the Arab stereotype).  And his own campaign admitted that it was a racial remark.  http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/Story?id=5495348&page=1 

But nice try to change your argument when caught with your pants down.  No one's saying there weren't accusations made about Obama's race or religion.  The question is whether Obama tried to falsely make himself the victim of racism, to his advantage, and he clearly did.  Your response does nothing to refute that, it only tries to move the goal post.
 

Okay, I bolded premise one.  Then I italicized premise two.  You're acknowledging that Obama was the victim of accusations based on his race or religion....but then saying that he "falsely made himself the victim" of both those things when he responded to....accusations based on his race or religion?  How does that work? 

Were those accusations about his race and religion made, or not? And how does responding to such things in a way that doesn't even use the word "race" constitute "falsely making himself a victim"?

Your whole argument is flawed here because you're taking one remark of Obama's which applied quite squarely to some of the criticism being leveled against him at the time, and then concluding that Obama was therefore "playing the race card" against the entire McCain machine.  Considering that he spent most of his time hammering McCain directly on economic issues, that is patently false. 

The few times that he did mention his looks or beliefs are, apparently, unwarranted baiting because....he was supposed to just not respond at all to the fairly widespread belief that he was a secret Muslim?  Or because of the racist rhetoric that came alongside it, including the much shopped photo of Obama in african garb?  Which of those two things was Obama not supposed to say anything about, and what of his comments constituted a disproportionate focus on race and religion in comparison to....what was actually said about his race and religion by others?

[seeker_two]

I just plan to be bitter and cling to my guns and religion....

...America has spoken....and now it's gonna get what it deserves...

[lupinus]

It makes me a little proud, even if I disagree with the man himself.

Proud?  My countrymen, your countrymen just elected a freaking socialist in everything but name to the highest position in the land.

And I don't care if that socialist is white, black, blue, green, or a one eyed one horned flying purple people eater.

Americans who voted a socialist into power should be ashamed they were to stupid to look past his color, and those who did what they could to avoid it should feel sadness for their country.

I'm going to work now, gotta get a head start on my 'civic duty' to spread the wealth around.  Wouldn't want to be selfish.

[Owens]

Well, them that wanted him got him. Hope they choke on him! They best start practicing how to point the finger at the reflection in the mirror.

[roo_ster]

SS:

You ignore the daily press releases where BHO & Co. played the race card for criticizing some non-race-related aspect of BHO or his record.

Or, you're just being dishonest.

[Dannyboy]

So, how long before buyer's remorse sets in?  I say it hits early.  Probably next summer.

As "historic" as this may be for blacks, I think it was the worst thing that could have happened.  The odds of another black man getting elected after BHO does his best to destroy this country are slim to none.

[buzz_knox]

Well, he was accused of playing it (I think he struggled to avoid it because it is a loser of an issue) by some conservative commentators.

But whether you think he did or did not, there is no question that he didn't play Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton politics.  This campaign was of a totally different character.  That's why Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are basically local politicians, and Obama is the President.

He didn't play the Jackson/Sharpton role because they were doing it for him.  He led from on high while they got in the mud and declared that not voting for Obama would show you were racist and would be punished.

[Jamisjockey]

Well, race won't help him now.

Obama's challenge is to not be the first--and last--African-American to be President.  If he fulfills his glorious Marxist potential he will queer the image for a generation at least.

Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed.  Many people believe that the government is the answer to their problems.  BHO is going to make them more dependent, more reliant on government.

[DustinD]

The odds of another black man getting elected after BHO does his best to destroy this country are slim to none.

I doubt by the time the next black guy makes it to a presidential race people will associate performance with the skin color of the last guy. I am pretty sure from here on out that skin color will be seen as irrelevant. I think the same would be true if a women was elected to president and failed, no one would blame her gender for the failure.

[Monkeyleg]

Must resist temptation to break oath re: shootinstudent...

[T.O.M.]

You want to know why I'm proud of America this morning, despite having Obama win when I did not want that to happen?  The government of this country was effectively overthrown yesterday, without a shot being fired.   People waited in line for hours to cast a vote, one way or the other, and were not killed for casting that vote.  A black man was elected president some 40 years after Martin Luther King, Jr. was killed for fighting for freedom and equality despite race.

Do I like the outcome?  Nope.  But we come here on this and other boards and often lament the shrinking freedoms we all enjoy.  Yesterday was a day in which the most basic of those freedoms was exercised by a large percentage of Americans.  So, we can be saddened by the losses.  We can stand vigilent and work hard to safeguard our freedoms.  We can be shocked that this man was the winner (52/46 - closer than some may have thought).  But, we should still be proud of Amrica, where real freedom in the democratic sense was demonstrated to the world again.

God Bless America.

[Manedwolf]

You want to know why I'm proud of America this morning, despite having Obama win when I did not want that to happen?  The government of this country was effectively overthrown yesterday, without a shot being fired.   People waited in line for hours to cast a vote, one way or the other, and were not killed for casting that vote.  A black man was elected president some 40 years after Martin Luther King, Jr. was killed for fighting for freedom and equality despite race.

Do I like the outcome?  Nope.  But we come here on this and other boards and often lament the shrinking freedoms we all enjoy.  Yesterday was a day in which the most basic of those freedoms was exercised by a large percentage of Americans.  So, we can be saddened by the losses.  We can stand vigilent and work hard to safeguard our freedoms.  We can be shocked that this man was the winner (52/46 - closer than some may have thought).  But, we should still be proud of Amrica, where real freedom in the democratic sense was demonstrated to the world again.

God Bless America.

Do you have any idea how much voter fraud went on?

[T.O.M.]

Not yet.   

[mtnbkr]

Do you have any idea how much voter fraud went on?

Do you have any proof, proof that it actually mattered (beyond simple ethics), and proof that there wasn't similar fraud that gave us 8 years of Bush?  Hard, verifiable numbers...

If not, then give it a rest.  You're starting to sound like the right-wing version of the Dems from the past 8 years.  "Blargh Obama Blarghhhh".  Do something productive or shut the hell up.

Chris

[Manedwolf]

Do you have any proof, proof that it actually mattered (beyond simple ethics), and proof that there wasn't similar fraud that gave us 8 years of Bush?  Hard, verifiable numbers...

If not, then give it a rest.  You're starting to sound like the right-wing version of the Dems from the past 8 years.  "Blargh Obama Blarghhhh".  Do something productive or shut the hell up.

Chris

ACORN isn't proof enough? They didn't even bother to conceal it.

And again, my state was just taken by tax and spend liberals, and we just lost the country to a marxist. Some of us are a little bitter about that, and know that once the "fairness doctrine" is made law, there will be a lot LESS we can do.

I already get accused of being a "racist" for not liking Obama.

And so WHAT if I sound like that? I've been hearing that crap for the past eight years, maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault.

[Sawdust]

<snip>

...America has spoken....and now it's gonna get what it deserves...

Word.

I have never been a big fan of the intellignece of the American voter, but my disgust is at an all-time high now.

Sawdust

[Joe Demko]

maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault.

They're already experienced.  They bitched, whined, and moaned incessantly for 8 years under Bill Clinton.

[Manedwolf]

Well, let's see.

I told people the truth about what was going on. I told them the truth about Obama, about hard work and free enterprise.

The Dems LIED. Lie lie lie.

And as Twain said, a lie can be halfway around the world before the truth gets done tying its shoes.

What can you do, in that circumstance?

[mtnbkr]

ACORN isn't proof enough? They didn't even bother to conceal it.

And so WHAT if I sound like that? I've been hearing that crap for the past eight years, maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault.

McCain lost by several million and a very large number of EC votes.  It was hardly close.  A couple hundred thousand either way would not make a difference.  Frankly, I'm not interested in acting like a petulant child or seeing the crying baby "mascot" become our own.  I plan to find ways I can make a real difference, I suggest you do the same.

Chris

[K Frame]

"I've been hearing that crap for the past eight years, maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault."

And that does what, exactly?

Brings you down to their level?

What a great place to be, and really constructive. I'm seeing that here at my office this morning, with the "gracious" exhortations of Obama supporters. :rolleyes:

I've already been in touch with my new Congressman, Gerry Connolly. A thoroughly likable guy I've know for many years but who is, unfortunately, a rather bleeding heart liberal. I've already put into his ear a reinforcement that gun owners are not the root of all evil in this country and that he shouldn't fall into the trap of backing potential feel-good legislation that does nothing to address the real roots of crime and violence and which only impacts law-abiding Americans.

[mtnbkr]

They're already experienced.  They bitched, whined, and moaned incessantly for 8 years under Bill Clinton.

And that's part of the problem.  Each cycle, the loser spends their time bitching and moaning rather than trying to fix the problem. 

Chris

[taurusowner]

And that's part of the problem.  Each cycle, the loser spends their time bitching and moaning rather than trying to fix the problem. 

Chris

Correct me if I am indeed wrong, but that statement smacks of a belief that our parties are equivalent.  Like they get power and we whine, or we get power and they whine.  It's all the same.  Except that's all wrong.  We really are right, and they really are wrong.  Their complaints are baseless and false.  Ours are not.  They really are going to damage the country in ways we can't even imagine.

[Manedwolf]

Again, though, the disheartening thing is that I try to fight by providing truths. About everything, about why we're a free market, why that's good, why you can't take from people who endeavor to work hard and give to people who don't...what that does to any incentive to actually work and better one's self.

The Democrats have no problem making up absolutely boldfaced lies that sound good. Total lies. They even know they're lies, but they put them out anyway.

And people believe those lies, because they sound good, and sound more fun than the reality of the truth.

If you have ethics and can only tell the truth about things, how DO you fight people who lie as naturally as breathing, when so much of the population is willing to believe every lie?

[makattak]

"I've been hearing that crap for the past eight years, maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault."

And that does what, exactly?

Brings you down to their level?

What a great place to be, and really constructive. I'm seeing that here at my office this morning, with the "gracious" exhortations of Obama supporters. :rolleyes:

I've already been in touch with my new Congressman, Gerry Connolly. A thoroughly likable guy I've know for many years but who is, unfortunately, a rather bleeding heart liberal. I've already put into his ear a reinforcement that gun owners are not the root of all evil in this country and that he shouldn't fall into the trap of backing potential feel-good legislation that does nothing to address the real roots of crime and violence and which only impacts law-abiding Americans.

Ah, he's my new Congresman as well. I was thoroughly disappointed that Fimian lost and genuinely afraid of what Connolly would do. Perhaps he won't be as nutty as I am expecting.

[Balog]

I just plan to be bitter and cling to my guns and religion....

...America has spoken....and now it's gonna get what it deserves...

Yep. Mencken was right. "Democracy is the theory that holds that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."