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Of Archeology and Climate Change
« on: August 14, 2015, 07:30:43 PM »
I like to read articles like this, not just because of the discoveries themselves, but because they're such great indicators of natural phenomena, like climate cycling. 10,000 years is pretty much the blink of an eye for sea level change like this.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/08/14/ancient-monolith-suggests-humans-lived-on-now-underwater-archipelago/?intcmp=hpffo&intcmp=obnetwork
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2015, 07:43:48 PM »
Too bad Al Gore wasn't around to save them.  :laugh:
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2015, 08:42:28 PM »
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2015, 08:44:32 PM »
In the mid- 80s I found an Indian grind stone in about 35 feet of water a little north of Bird Rock, La Jolla CA.  The rectangular stone has a man made grip worked into one corner, a finger grip/swell on the bottom and palm scoop on the top.  The stone was wedged into a horizontal crack in the rocks as if stashed for later use, then forgotten.  I later gave the stone to a housemate/dive buddy who worked for Near Shore Processes, who passed it on to Pat Masters, the bosses wife for whom he also dove.  Masters estimate the stone's age at 8000 years.  As I destroyed the context of the find, the stone has little scientific value.  Last I heard, it is a doorstop. Grrrr!
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2015, 08:52:39 PM »
Forgot where I read it but some group doing unrelated work in the Red Sea found the remains of a small fortress\watchpost about a klick from the now coast.
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2015, 10:53:47 PM »
At one time the entire middle of the country was a vast inland sea. The marine animal fossils in our local limestone are testament to that.
Things *expletive deleted*ing change.
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2015, 08:49:43 AM »
BS. Everyone knows that the Earth, and everything on it, is no more than 6,500 years old, as the Bible teaches us.

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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2015, 09:45:20 AM »
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It also suggests that artifacts from ancient civilizations may be underwater, and may require divers to excavate them, both Paz and Lodolo said.

Gee, ya think?

I'm constantly amazed that people are amazed that the earth yawns and stretches once in a while and rearranges the furniture.

'Geological processes are very slow until they become very fast."
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2015, 11:37:02 AM »
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'Geological processes are very slow until they become very fast."
--Pyotrzebi Grosnotchovic, MA, MS, PhD, MD, MBA, LLD, DDS.  Postdoctoral Thesis on Krakatoan Dynamics, 1884

Well,   yeaaaa-ahh! [tinfoil] :O


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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2015, 03:57:52 PM »
Forgot where I read it but some group doing unrelated work in the Red Sea found the remains of a small fortress\watchpost about a klick from the now coast.

Thinking about this a bit. It doesn't mean the shoreline shifted, the watchpost could have been sitting on a sandbar that eroded or perhaps at the end of an artificial harbor that eroded or was maybe built on a barge as an EWS\OP to give the people on shore time to react to a raid. That eventually sank.

In the latter scenario though, would you put a stone structure on a wooden barge? Is there any point to that? Offhand I can't think of any similar things.



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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2015, 04:32:06 PM »
the only constant is change.  The planet has warmed,  and cooled, countless times in the billions of years it has existed.  That won't change.  How we deal with, or do NOT deal with climate change, won't matter a damn bit.  Some folks are certainly out to get rich with the issue though. 
For some humor, read this 'scientific' article from the miami Biscayne Times.  Scroll down to find the cover story.


http://www.biscaynetimes.com/images/stories/art_0615/bt_0615.pdf

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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2015, 07:27:49 PM »
Individual locations have risen or sunk in the past.  Houston was shown to be sinking before they shut down most of the ground water wells and set up the local reservoirs and lakes.  Just saying it isn't always a continental process.
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2015, 07:41:24 PM »
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It also suggests that artifacts from ancient civilizations may be underwater, and may require divers to excavate them, both Paz and Lodolo said.
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2015, 10:01:26 PM »
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--Pyotrzebi Grosnotchovic, MA, MS, PhD, MD, MBA, LLD, DDS.

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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2015, 12:07:36 AM »
Was it Belzoni who moved a huge Egyptian obelisk and lost it at sea in the Med? Sometime in the 1800's?

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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2015, 12:46:34 AM »
Talk about a professional student!

Yeah, I was going to have to start making up degrees, or include some Knighthoods, so I left it at that.  (That whole quote was made-up out of thin air.)


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For some humor, read this 'scientific' article from the miami Biscayne Times.  Scroll down to find the cover story.

http://www.biscaynetimes.com/images/stories/art_0615/bt_0615.pdf


Link doesn't work for me.  ???

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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2015, 11:20:54 AM »
And Central Park was the Garden of Eden, and George and Martha Washington were Adam and Eve.

They got snakes in Central Park?

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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2015, 07:41:20 PM »
"Pyotrzebi Grosnotchovic, MA, MS, PhD, MD, MBA, LLD, DDS.  Postdoctoral Thesis on Krakatoan Dynamics, 1884"

Whan thot a prilla a swithen Pyotrzebi, the burgid prilly gives a heebie Jeebie.
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2015, 08:02:09 PM »
At one time the entire middle of the country was a vast inland sea. The marine animal fossils in our local limestone are testament to that.
Things *expletive deleted*ing change.


Also it is theorized that the continent at the time of that sea was located on the equator.
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2015, 09:04:30 AM »
"Pyotrzebi Grosnotchovic, MA, MS, PhD, MD, MBA, LLD, DDS.  Postdoctoral Thesis on Krakatoan Dynamics, 1884"

Whan thot a prilla a swithen Pyotrzebi, the burgid prilly gives a heebie Jeebie.


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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2015, 04:25:00 PM »
Yeah, I was going to have to start making up degrees, or include some Knighthoods, so I left it at that.  (That whole quote was made-up out of thin air.)


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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2015, 05:23:37 PM »
Terry,

You are hereby awarded the Honorary Degree of JSPS.  It is the most rarely awarded degree, given usually no more than twice in a hundred years.

stay safe.


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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2015, 05:18:57 PM »
Say whut?

Guy's first name reminded me of a Mad Magazine thingy (it actually had his first name as part of it as I wrote above) that stuck in my head from around 1959 or 60 or thereabouts.  Funny how I remember important stuff like that and I can't remember why I just stood up out of my chair to do something...usually before I'm completely out of the chair.
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2015, 05:24:52 PM »
Guy's first name reminded me of a Mad Magazine thingy (it actually had his first name as part of it as I wrote above) that stuck in my head from around 1959 or 60 or thereabouts.  Funny how I remember important stuff like that and I can't remember why I just stood up out of my chair to do something...usually before I'm completely out of the chair.

Someone is seriously behind in their hokey pokey and go go girl headshake quotas...
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Re: Of Archeology and Climate Change
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2015, 12:21:50 PM »
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