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Barak Obama - Explained
« on: January 06, 2008, 09:05:19 AM »
Obama says he is for change and it's true.

In his first term he'll want to change the US so it's just like Illinois.

In his second term he'll want to change the US so it's just like Chicago.


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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2008, 09:12:17 AM »
Just one question..

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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2008, 09:26:41 AM »
I do not understand his appeal.  He is not Hillary.  That seems to be it.  He is black and young (although interestingly he's about my age and I'm not considered young anymore).
He talks about getting beyond partisan feuds but his programs are so far left they are bound to be even more divisive.
Can anyone explain his appeal??
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 09:46:02 AM »
Rabbi,

Getting beyond partisan feuds just means that the other side should shut up and accept the superior wisdom of your side.  Which is what I'm all about, of course.   cheesy
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 10:53:20 AM »
John Kennedy II. An 'outsider' group's first great hope for a win, pretty, a talented orator, speaking of 'change' and responsibility without being particularly radical about it.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2008, 11:12:41 AM »
John Kennedy II. An 'outsider' group's first great hope for a win, pretty, a talented orator, speaking of 'change' and responsibility without being particularly radical about it.

Have to agree.

When you watch him speak, you realize that he is easily one of the smartest politicians out there.  And I mean that to say, smartest at being a politician, not "smartest" and a politician.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2008, 02:44:41 PM »
Obama represents America's Inner Child.  Pabulum for the eternally young.  He has a feel-good nostrum for every problem.

If he runs against McCain it will be senility versus infantility, perhaps a fitting symbol of where America stands today.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2008, 02:49:04 PM »
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Can anyone explain his appeal??

He's a smooth talker.  That's about it.

Earlier today I had some spare time at the mall before my movie started (National Treasure 2) so I dropped into Border books.  I seen his book sitting on the shelf and thought I'd see what he had to say.  I breezed thru it for a spell.  Needless to say, I about threw up in my mouth after the chapter with his views on the Constitution. 


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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2008, 02:49:51 PM »
I would have called it "The Insane vs The Inane."
I honestly just dont get him.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2008, 05:01:04 PM »
America doesn't want to deal with the serious business of terrorism, the border, medical care, etc etc.  Americans are into instant gratification, and letting Joe do the heavy lifting.  Sad but true.  Let's get somebody elected so we can go back to putting our heads in the sand and figuring out how we can scrape together the money for a new snowmobile/fishing gear/gun/cruise/car/bike/ ad nauseum.  Never mind a closer look at the R and D platforms would find them chock full of programs that loses us more freedom and costs more money.

Obama is a smooth talking snake oil salesman; which is pretty much what every one of the candidates are to varying degrees.  There is only one candidate that thinks and talks in terms of what America should be about if the constitution was our guiding principal.  Everybody thinks he's a loon, so never mind.

Maybe who is president is less important than who is running the congress and on the federal benches.  America probably needs a president who is a smooth talking snake oil salesman because that is just exactly who the rest of the world responds to as well.  The problem with Obama is that he is a socialist just like most of the democrats, although the masses of D's don't have a clue about the long term ramification of that.  Unfortunately, most of the R's are socialists as well.

If we had a congress that was serious enough about energy, border security/immigration, and finding some kind of a national project that would excite the masses like building nuclear power plants, exploiting our own resources in a sane fashion, and maybe dividing the nation up into quadrants and building a high speed, elevated electric rail system put out to bid by private industry and hiring the unemployed healthy folks, stepping up to the plate in that regard, perhaps whoever is president could re analyze just what our national interest are abroad.  Maybe then we could pull this country back together a bit.

Ask Obama if he has ever read The Closed Circle, by David Pryce-Jones.  It is the definitive text book on the Arab culture.  If he hasn't read it, tell him to keep his mouth shut about how to deal with anybody in the ME.  If he hasn't read that book he doesn't know his ass from in a hole in the ground about how to deal with reality in the ME, or eastern Europe for that matter.  In fact, ask all of the candidates if they've read the book. 

We live in a complicated world that we overcomplicate and I see no one capable of dealing with the reality of that.  I think I am going to quit thinking about how we have come to be governed by fools and start living in a little cocoon here in W. Michigan.  I don't have many years left.  I've actually done my bit so after tonight I don't give a rat's ass any more.  I'm going to drink expensive booze, smoke a fine cigar once in awhile, play in the snow, and float around on my lake in the summer reading good books that make me happy.  I'm gonna be just like all the other eloi.  I think maybe that is better rather than weeping when I look and my grandchildren because I wonder if they will curse me in 30 years for allowing the ***h**** to screw up the world.

If I hear one more politician talking about "fundamental change" and not offering up just what the **** they mean by that, my brain is going to explode.  I'm done!!
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2008, 05:08:07 PM »
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America doesn't want to deal with the serious business of terrorism, the border, medical care, etc etc. 

I know this will come as a shock, grampster, but there are still large sections of the populace that don't live in constant fear of terrorism or illegal immigrants. They aren't insane or lazy or apathetic - they just have a different take on risk analysis in their lives than you.

If a Democrat is elected, it will be in part because America does want to "deal with" medical care - and doesn't care with how it's been dealt with thus far.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2008, 05:19:02 PM »
Yeah, well that's because they are fools and know nothing about history.  Reality to them is a freaking TV show. 

Now I'm done, this time for good.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2008, 05:42:50 PM »
Here's another nightmare scenario.

Obama is a product of the Daley political machine.

Obama gets into office.

Obama appoints Daley to a high-level position, or even takes him as VP.

Daley runs the Oval Office as puppetmaster, just like he runs Illinois with his bootlicker of a governor.


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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2008, 05:45:59 PM »
Quote from: wooderson
.......speaking of 'change' and responsibility without being particularly radical about it.

Or being particulary particular about it either.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2008, 06:02:01 PM »
He isn't JFK, He's Jimmy Cater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZaq-YKCnE
People are pretty sick and tired of the rino faction that the mass media tell them are conservatives.
I really liked Jimmy in 76 because I was young, stupid and knew that Nixon was a corrupt liar.
Jimmy said he would legalize marijuana too!
We've got tens of millions of people who think history is boring and American Idol is exciting.
Obama is the perfect American Idol candidate.
FoulNews can't say that because they are under contract to tell us how great American Idol is.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2008, 06:35:32 PM »
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I know this will come as a shock, grampster, but there are still large sections of the populace that don't live in constant fear of terrorism or illegal immigrants. They aren't insane or lazy or apathetic - they just have a different take on risk analysis in their lives than you.

Half of America is befogged by illegal drugs, prescription drugs, or the soma we like to call tv.  Half of America is ignorant as dirt about damn near everything--and many of those have graduate degrees.  The concept of "risk analysis," much less long-term thinking, is alien to these folks--and yet too many of them somehow manage to crawl to the voting booth and enact holy suffrage.  What a farce.

No, Virginia, there's no threat from Islamist terrorism and no threat from illegal immigrants.  Go masticate some more lotus; you can get the jumbo size at Costco, on sale this week.

What Grampster said about pragmatic political agendas is right on, but where in the world is there any talk of serious and adult initiatives that would sober us up and inspire us to our heritage of greatness?  You'd think all we had to worry about was the "unfairness" of Bush's tax cuts and giving free health care to illegal aliens. 
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2008, 06:50:30 PM »
There is a threat from terrorism. And there is a threat (to some, in different ways) from immigration: both legal and illegal. There are an infinite number of 'threats' facing America and Americans. To what extent they're a threat, to what extent they pose harm to each of us and to the nation as a whole and to what extent we should be worried or fearful.

The question is one of simple risk - do I need to live my life, essentially, with the threat of terrorism lurking around the corner? Do I need to plan my future around it? Do I need to craft my desired public policy around the threat of it? Am I willing to give up certain liberties and freedoms to be a certain percentage safer?

Grampster, it appears, believes that he does. I don't, nor do many others. My assessment is that I'm more likely to get creamed by an elderly driver or someone on a cell phone than I am by anyone wearing a bloody turban. (And yet I still don't wish to make "morons driving badly need to be stopped" a central feature of policy.)

Frankly, a lot of y'all spend your time (based on statements at APS) living in a much greater state of fear than I do. (And as illustrated here, y'all probably think people like me are cavalier in the face of danger.) Maybe because you have families and I don't, maybe it's something unconscious. But the politics of terror and "ILLEGALS!!!" are grounded in worries (or fears) that I simply do not share.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2008, 04:26:37 AM »


No, Virginia, there's no threat from Islamist terrorism and no threat from illegal immigrants.  Go masticate some more lotus; you can get the jumbo size at Costco, on sale this week.



What "threat" is there from illegal immigrants?  Neat lawns?  Clean motel rooms?
I have already demonstrated conclusively that there is no increased crime, so that can't be it.
You have an elitist snob mentality, that you are the only one who recognizes this threat and anyone who doesnt agree with you must be delusional.  I think its the opposite.
I am more in fear of Obama than Osama.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2008, 04:31:07 AM »


No, Virginia, there's no threat from Islamist terrorism and no threat from illegal immigrants.  Go masticate some more lotus; you can get the jumbo size at Costco, on sale this week.



What "threat" is there from illegal immigrants?  Neat lawns?  Clean motel rooms?
I have already demonstrated conclusively that there is no increased crime, so that can't be it.
You have an elitist snob mentality, that you are the only one who recognizes this threat and anyone who doesnt agree with you must be delusional.  I think its the opposite.
I am more in fear of Obama than Osama.

I really have no idea why you're so blatantly defensive of these lawbreakers. All I can think of is that perhaps you profit from hiring them, and I sincerely hope that's not the case. I can't think of any other reason why someone would make such an adamant stand against basic law and basic sovereignty of the country. Why are you defending them?

And you've demonstrated "conclusively?" Where?

Gee, I guess that MACHETE FIGHT on a public intersection in Nashua that turned out to be mostly ILLEGALS didn't happen.

I guess the ILLEGAL carnival worker who raped a woman in Keene in a very public park, which had never happened before, didn't happen.

If I'm an elitist for wanting lawbreakers and identity thieves rounded up and deported the hell out of the country, so be it.

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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2008, 04:33:50 AM »
I've provided both logical and statistical evidence.  You respond with anecdote while Longeyes responds with paranoia and conspiracy theory.  Which side wins that debate?
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2008, 05:31:55 AM »
I've provided both logical and statistical evidence.  You respond with anecdote while Longeyes responds with paranoia and conspiracy theory.  Which side wins that debate?
If you re-define "logic and statistical evidence" as snide Nazi references, O Son of Godwin, your above statement is spot-on accurate.

I have provided you with a large amount of data over time as to the effects of illegal aliens on my taxes, down here in N Texas. 

For some reason, you think we ought to just keep on getting kicked in the financial Jimmy.  Don't be surprised when we don't just sit idly by while your precious illegals suck on the gov't teat and illegal alien employers screw over their neighbors.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2008, 05:33:18 AM »
"Do I need to craft my desired public policy around the threat of it? Am I willing to give up certain liberties and freedoms to be a certain percentage safer?

Grampster, it appears, believes that he does. I don't, nor do many others."



I've gone back and read my remarks.  I did not say, or even imply that I was willing to give up any rights. (other than expressing my frustration with our political scenario and now wanting to become eloi.)  In fact, I said just the opposite!  If you're going to quote me, at least give me the courtesy of doing it correctly.   

I'm used to dealing with reality and have experienced a good deal of it, from the end of WWII to the present.  I'll stand by my words, Wooderson.  Actual history is more enlightening than the history that is made up or twisted to serve the needs of fantasy.  I've chosen not to live in that fantasy world; at least until last night.   

Upon reflection this morning, I don't think my honor will allow me the peaceful transition into the bliss of being an uninformed or willfully ignorant eloi.  Too many of my family, friends and others have paid too much of a price for me to be that cavalier and bullheadedly ignorant as some are.

 
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2008, 05:41:09 AM »
I've provided both logical and statistical evidence.  You respond with anecdote while Longeyes responds with paranoia and conspiracy theory.  Which side wins that debate?
If you re-define "logic and statistical evidence" as snide Nazi references, O Son of Godwin, your above statement is spot-on accurate.

I have provided you with a large amount of data over time as to the effects of illegal aliens on my taxes, down here in N Texas. 

For some reason, you think we ought to just keep on getting kicked in the financial Jimmy.  Don't be surprised when we don't just sit idly by while your precious illegals suck on the gov't teat and illegal alien employers screw over their neighbors.
No, I have not defined it in the manner you say.  Maybe if your reading skills were better we wouldnt be having this conversation.
You have not provided any info on the effects of illegals on your taxes in North Texas.  Frankly it is irrelevant to a discussion of crime, but nice try anyway.
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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2008, 06:30:09 AM »
Rabbi, if statistics is what you wish, 30% of the inmates in our jails and prisons are illegal aliens. Each prisoner-year costs roughly $50k to the taxpayer. Is this a sufficient problem for you?

gampster, you owe it to your grandchildren to continue fighting. Also, I would support Ron Paul as well based on some issue, but on others he is simply too radical. He cannot get elected, the electorate being what it is. I like the fact that he brings out a lot of the problems to discussion, and just like Tancredo can help push the debates in the right direction. Just because he is not currently viable as a winner candidate should not be a source of discouragement or general dispair.

I agree that Obama is the American Idol candidate. A typical glossy empty liberal.

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Re: Barak Obama - Explained
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2008, 06:58:20 AM »
Rabbi, if statistics is what you wish, 30% of the inmates in our jails and prisons are illegal aliens. Each prisoner-year costs roughly $50k to the taxpayer. Is this a sufficient problem for you?
You have a source for this statistic?  Perhaps something from the Bereau of Prisons or some other credible unbiased source?