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« on: July 25, 2005, 05:43:49 PM »
The latest and greatest from NYC's liberals:

New York Proposes Tracking Diabetics

Monday, July 25, 2005



NEW YORK  At least half a million New Yorkers have diabetes (search), many of them at risk for blindness, kidney failure, amputations and heart problems because they are doing a poor job of controlling their illness.

The question is, how much privacy are they willing to give up for a chance at better health?

A century after New York became the first American city to track people with infectious diseases as a way to halt epidemics, officials here propose a similar system to monitor people with diabetes, a non-contagious foe.

Conceived after a sharp rise in diabetes deaths over the past 20 years, the plan would require medical labs to report to the city the results of a certain type of test that indicates how well individual patients are controlling their diabetes.

"There will be some people who will say, 'What business of the government is it to know that my diabetes is not in control?'" said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden (search), the city's health commissioner.

The answer, he said, is that diabetes costs an estimated $5 billion a year to treat in New York and was the fourth leading cause of death in the city in 2003, killing 1,891.

By pinpointing problem patients, then intervening ever so slightly in their care, Frieden said the city can improve thousands of lives. "I don't think we can afford not to do anything," he said.

The Board of Health vote on the proposal isn't likely until at least September, but it has already attracted attention from other public health experts and privacy advocates.

The list of illnesses reported to public health authorities has grown over the years, but it still is almost entirely contagious diseases, like HIV (search), or conditions related to environmental toxins, like lead poisoning.

Diabetes is different, threatening no one but the people who have it.

"This isn't smallpox," said James Pyles, an attorney who represents health care groups concerned with medical privacy. "The state, or the city in this case, does not have a compelling interest in the health of an individual that overrides that individual's right to privacy."

Pyles praised the intent of the program, but said unless diabetics are asked for their consent, it would be "an outright violation of the constitutional right to privacy" for the government to obtain their identities.

The city's program wouldn't initially get consent to collect data, but would allow patients to opt out later. The database would also be tightly controlled, off limits to anyone but department staff, the patients and their doctors, health officials say.

Over time, doctors could receive letters, telling them whether their patients have been getting adequate care. People who skip checkups might get a note from their doctors, reminding them of the dangers of untreated diabetes.

The plan is akin to the surveillance system put in place in 1897 to fight tuberculosis. At first, doctors were outraged they had to report TB cases to the government, but it became a model after deaths plummeted.

Dr. Nathaniel Clark, vice president for clinical affairs of the American Diabetes Association, said the surveillance system could be a great tool for doctors who find it difficult to track patients over long periods.

Currently, he said, people who aren't aggressive about their care can easily fall through the cracks. Some switch health care providers, and many people living in poor neighborhoods where diabetes is common don't have a regular doctor.

Dr. Paul Simon of Los Angeles County's public health department, said other big cities could follow New York's lead.

"Some people are uncomfortable with public health departments expanding their scope beyond infectious disease, but I would say we have to do it," he said. "Chronic disease really accounts for the major portion of years of life lost to illness, these days."

New York's program would involve collecting the results of A1c tests, which indicate blood glucose control over a few months, unlike the daily glucose tests diabetics give themselves. The A1c test is given for both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes, the latter linked to obesity and accounting for about 90 percent of American diabetics. The program would cost between $1 million and $2 million a year, the health department said.

Dr. Amy Fairchild, an expert on public health ethics at Columbia University, said disease monitoring programs have historically been able to overcome privacy worries if the health threat is sufficiently frightening.

"We respond with surveillance when we believe something has reached epidemic proportions," Fairchild said. "And this may fit the profile. Have we become a nation of obese people who are all going to get diabetes?"

The program's success, she said, may depend partly on how patients respond. "It's not necessarily that someone has that information. It's that they're pestering you. 'The next thing I know, you'll be telling me what I can and can't eat,"' she said.

Nationally, diabetes is the sixth leading cause of death, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It afflicts about 18.2 million Americans.

Sandye Poitier-Johnson, 57, a public school principal in Harlem who was diagnosed with diabetes a few years ago, said most people could use help monitoring their condition.

"People say, diabetes is serious, but they don't take it seriously," she said. "I wouldn't think that this was Big Brother or Big Sister watching me. I would welcome the help."

She urged the city, though, to get patient consent first. "There is enough privacy invasion already in our society," she said.
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2005, 06:40:48 PM »
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By pinpointing problem patients, then intervening ever so slightly in their care...
Well, yeah, but it's only the camel's nose in the tent. Nothing to worry aboutand besides, it's for people's own good. Nobody's advocating mandatory mental health testing and treatment... yet.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2005, 07:15:04 PM »
that is fascist.

NYC is like the US version of the british isles.  What ever crazy anti-privacy stuff happens, first england, then NYC, then the rest of the country.

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2005, 06:14:49 AM »
SO, how about those of us who are just as healthy as non-diabetic people?

Screw NY.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2005, 07:33:21 AM »
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By pinpointing problem patients, then intervening ever so slightly in their care, Frieden said the city can improve thousands of lives. "I don't think we can afford not to do anything," he said.
Tell me physician Frieden, can you afford a sucking chest wound? That's what you're gonna get if you keep intruding into people's personal lives in this fashion.  If I do not have an infectious disease, my health care is MY concern, not yours.  I deeply resent this growth of Nanny-Statism, and will not tolerate it.

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The city's program wouldn't initially get consent to collect data, but would allow patients to opt out later. The database would also be tightly controlled, off limits to anyone but department staff, the patients and their doctors, health officials say.
RRRRIGHT... Like the airline's database, the TSA's db and the db kept for firearms purchases that was not suppose to happen.

Damn glad I don't live in New York City.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2005, 11:37:52 AM »
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There will be some people who will say, 'What business of the government is it to know that my diabetes is not in control?'" said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden (search), the city's health commissioner.

The answer, he said, is that diabetes costs an estimated $5 billion a year to treat in New York...
This is the single greatest argument AGAINST socialized medicine ... once you have government footing the bill for your health then you have given them the right to demand you stay healthy and the right to restrict your freedom to achieve that goal because your body is no longer your own.

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2005, 05:00:12 PM »
Geez, so what else is new.  The nannystate/country isn't going to be happy until they have everyone under 100% control.

Honestly (and no, I'm not kidding), I wondering when (not if) they will include gun ownership as a mental health disease in the DSM and then put everyone of us on some sort of drug (wanted or not).

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