More liberal foolishness that will damage kids

[makattak]

An American girl scarcely ever displays that virginal softness in the midst of young desires or that innocent and ingenuous grace which usually attend the European woman in the transition from girlhood to youth. It is rare that an American woman, at any age displays childish timidity or ignorance. Like the young women Europe she seeks to please, but she knows precisely the cost of pleasing. If she does not abandon herself to evil, at least she knows that it exists; and she is remarkable rather for purity of manners than for chastity of mind.

I have been frequently surprised and almost frightened at the singular address and happy boldness with which young women in America contrive to manage their thoughts and their language amid all the difficulties of free conversation; a philosopher would have stumbled at every step along the narrow path which they trod without accident and without effort. It is easy, indeed, to perceive that even amid the independence of early youth an American woman is always mistress of herself; she indulges in all permitted pleasures without yielding herself up to any of them, and her reason never allows the reins of self-guidance to drop, though it often seems to hold them loosely.

[makattak]

In France, where traditions of every age are still so strangely mingled in the opinions and tastes of the people, women commonly receive a reserved, retired, and almost conventional education, as they did in aristocratic times; and then they are suddenly abandoned without a guide and without assistance in the midst of all the irregularities inseparable from democratic society. The Americans are more consistent. They have found out that in a democracy the independence of individuals cannot fail to be very great, youth premature, tastes ill-restrained, customs fleeting, public opinion often unsettled and powerless, paternal authority weak, and marital authority contested. Under these circumstances, believing that they had little chance of repressing in woman the most vehement passions of the human heart, they held that the surer way was to teach her the art of combating those passions for herself. As they could not prevent her virtue from being exposed to frequent danger, they determined that she should know how best to defend it, and more reliance was placed on the free vigor of her will than on safeguards which have been shaken or overthrown Instead, then, of inculcating mistrust of herself, they constantly seek to enhance her confidence in her own strength of character. As it is neither possible nor desirable to keep a young woman in perpetual and complete ignorance, they hasten to give her a precocious knowledge on all subjects. Far from hiding the corruptions of the world from her, they prefer that she should see them at once and train herself to shun them, and they hold it of more importance to protect her conduct than to be over-scrupulous of the innocence of her thoughts.

[TommyGunn]

Passive and helpless were the ideals of the time. Notice that the weastern states that broke through the woemns vote were first. National suffreage did not come about untill well into Victorian times, when freedom for women was a limited thing.

Those "frontier" women (a thing that by that point was already mostly a memory) were still train from infancy to obey the men in their houshold.

Which is easier, especially if you still haven't grasped the idea that you can be the owner of property, sole (g)aurdian of your children, and more, to make your man stop drnking? Confront and devorce(sic) him, or vote?

I don't think "passive" and "helpless" are necessarily the same thing.  Frontier women may have been considered "passive" in comparison to the males of their own culture, or to whom they were married, but they were not "helpless."  Many frontier women were alone with their kids while their husbands were out at work, and in an era when Indian attacks were not rare, they were expected to handle Winchesters, Sharps, and other longarms as well as men -- they might easily have to use them. 
Also consider some more subtle elements.
While it took men to "conquer" the west, it is said it took women to ''civilize" the west.  Left to their own, sans women, men became a bunch of ruffians with maybe their only feminine companionshipt found in the "red light" district, the bordellos.  Not exactly "high class."
When women arrived in great numbers, and real families became more common, much, though not all, of the "ruffianism" was ameliorated.   
Since it was the women who ..."civilized" the men, I can't say that they were "helpless."  Somehow that just doesn't fit. "Those 'frontier' women (a thing that by that point was already mostly a memory) were still train from infancy to obey the men in their houshold."~~ Yes .... and with the conquest of the west no doubt their "place in society" was no doubt, re "explained" to them.
Women have never been without some power.  It may not always have been the kind of power they wanted or needed, but anyone who thinks that they were completly powerless does not know what "feminine wiles" means.    Oh, and this again too, just for good measure.

[Lanius]

Yeah. It's a myth that Chinese women are submissive, for example. They only submit in order to  seem harmless, and will have most men doing their bidding unwittingly in no time at all.

There are more winning strategies than confrontation. There's subversion...

[roo_ster]

"The man may be the head of the family, but the woman is the neck..."

[BlueStarLizzard]

And you guys wonder why more women don't post on this board.  


Women have gone from sweet little inocents, to "natural socialists" who cannot appreaciae libirty over safety, to the powerful "civilizers" of the west and all the way to subversive.
 


My only point from the very begining was simple, let children be children and stop gearing education of these children to be "masculine", "feminie" or nuetur.

And, for the love of whatevers holy, stop pidgon holing what little girls and little boys like to do.

[TommyGunn]

And you guys wonder why more women don't post on this board.  


Women have gone from sweet little inocents, to "natural socialists" who cannot appreaciae libirty over safety, to the powerful "civilizers" of the west and all the way to subversive.
 
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Yeah .... I can see how that might be to confusin'...

You know, we really need a "neener" smilie on this forum..........

[Lanius]

Women, as a species, are pissing me off. Their effing coyness, their cowardice, their lack of guts, their risk avoidance..., their lack of interest in games, their hoplophobiam, their socialist tendencies . I sometimes wish I were gay. Would make things a lot fokking simpler. I hate the dating game, but I have to play it, as there are no women in the circles I move in.

And to boot, I'm told by my psychiatrist(who I'm seeing because that's who you see if you suffer from insomnia), that I'm too intense for most women to handle, that they're scared of me. I have no idea why. I  haven't even been convicted of GBH and the last time I hit someone in anger was in the last millenium.

I shower daily, shave, wear clean clothing, am polite in RL, have a sense of humor, am taller than 95% of other men, smarter than 95% of men .. usually am pretty energetic and what do I get out of that? Polite or scared refusals to go out, or outright silence, which really angers me. I far prefer being told I'm a creep to utter silence.

To quote one of my friends, I'm not gonna make a fokking tool out of myself in order to get access to some dank and slimy hole and the chance to keep wondering just what the hell I said that has caused her to look sullen and hurt.

Women.. what are they good for? We really need to fix the male pregnancy issue, I think. That'd majorly Anything women can do, men can do better. Cooking, fighting, conflict mediation, games,  shooting guns, engineering, science, even housework. Yeah.. we're not in touch with our inner feelings, but some of us would prefer to strangle our inner feelings and people who keep carping about them, set them on fire, throw them down a fokking dry well and then piss on them.

I mean.. take Chess. A simple, stupid game... and women, have a different league. They don't play chess against men? Why? Are they admitting they're less smart and wouldn't be able to hack it there? I can understand different leagues in physical sports.. but in chess.. that's majorly pathetic. Majorly.

[seeker_two]

Lanius: If that's your view on women in general, you may end up being gay yet....'cause you won't get much in the way of women's attentions....  

Why not treat women with the same respect and courtesy as you treat other men? You'd be surprised at how far that will get you.....

[Lanius]

In RL, I'm usually treating women far better than men and am more polite around them. I can even willing and able to stoop to gentlemanly behaviour on certain occassions.
But I'm not gonna listen to any of their bull$hit and let it stand. If they say something stupid, I don't remain silent.

[TommyGunn]

Women, as a species, are pissing me off. Their effing coyness, their cowardice, their lack of guts, their risk avoidance..., their lack of interest in games, their hoplophobiam, .............................................

   OK ..... I am going to go to a different thread now.  I wish everyone here the best.  Goodbye.

[Lanius]

I'm just p-offed today, majorly. Like I said, the only woman with guts to date me is 6'4" does martial arts and usually carries a machete, but unfortunately, nothing will come of it due to an unexpected pregnancy that resulted from break-up sex with her previous guy and assurances of doctors that there is no way she can get pregnant with her hormonal makeup.. 

She's 24 and the other guy is older, with his own house and car, so I can only wish them good luck. He's a martial artist and supposedly as intense as I am, so I predict the kids are gonna be the kind that tends to bounce off ceilings and are higher and more wired by nature than   squirrels on pervitin running over powerlines are by design....

That means, I'll have to play the dreaded dating game again. Conceal my interest in guns. Walk slowly, so the women won't get winded. Restrain my sense of humor...

 And right after things were heading in such a promising direction..

[Jamisjockey]

Women, as a species, are pissing me off. Their effing coyness, their cowardice, their lack of guts, their risk avoidance..., their lack of interest in games, their hoplophobiam, their socialist tendencies . I sometimes wish I were gay. Would make things a lot fokking simpler. I hate the dating game, but I have to play it, as there are no women in the circles I move in.

And to boot, I'm told by my psychiatrist(who I'm seeing because that's who you see if you suffer from insomnia), that I'm too intense for most women to handle, that they're scared of me. I have no idea why. I  haven't even been convicted of GBH and the last time I hit someone in anger was in the last millenium.

I shower daily, shave, wear clean clothing, am polite in RL, have a sense of humor, am taller than 95% of other men, smarter than 95% of men .. usually am pretty energetic and what do I get out of that? Polite or scared refusals to go out, or outright silence, which really angers me. I far prefer being told I'm a creep to utter silence.

To quote one of my friends, I'm not gonna make a fokking tool out of myself in order to get access to some dank and slimy hole and the chance to keep wondering just what the hell I said that has caused her to look sullen and hurt.

Women.. what are they good for? We really need to fix the male pregnancy issue, I think. That'd majorly Anything women can do, men can do better. Cooking, fighting, conflict mediation, games,  shooting guns, engineering, science, even housework. Yeah.. we're not in touch with our inner feelings, but some of us would prefer to strangle our inner feelings and people who keep carping about them, set them on fire, throw them down a fokking dry well and then piss on them.

I mean.. take Chess. A simple, stupid game... and women, have a different league. They don't play chess against men? Why? Are they admitting they're less smart and wouldn't be able to hack it there? I can understand different leagues in physical sports.. but in chess.. that's majorly pathetic. Majorly.

Oh sweet baby Xenu, enough.  Lanius has been banned due to excessive idiocy.